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permatex

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53. Your arguing from emotion, not from fact
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:43 AM
Jul 2012

Fact, Armor piercing bullets have been illegal for civilian to possess for a long time,
Fact, AK-47's are illegal to own without a BATFE crawl up your ass background check, and as of 1986, any new machine gun or select fire weapon is illegal.
Fact, not just anyone can legally own a firearm, quit parroting the Brady/MAIG/VPC propaganda.
Fact, I loathe the NRA, but they are a powerful org. who have helped write some of the gun control laws, ie: they worked with the Brady org. on the background check system. I'm more of an SAF supporter.
Fact, support for more gun laws are way down in this country.
Fact, according to the FBI's UCR, violent crime is at it's lowest point since the 60's yet there are more guns in circulation. I'm not saying that more guns=less crime, I'm saying more guns does not=more crime. There are many reasons for the crime rate falling.
Fact, In the McDonald v Chicago, all 9 justices agreed that the 2A is defined as an individual right, not a collective one, The dissent was on the level of restrictions.
Fact, the vast majority of gun owners are honest law abiding citizens who own and use firearms responsibly. There are over 300,000,000 firearms in this country in civilian hands, there will always be the tiny minority that abuse firearms.
Fact, there are already more than 20,000 Federal, State and Local gun laws on the books, how about they start getting enforced before passing new useless laws?
Just because some whacked out POS murdered 12 innocent people is a reason to restrict my rights even though I had nothing to do with it?
That's like saying because the KKK or the Ayran Nation spew their vile bigoted hatred is a reason to restrict my 1A right even though I loathe and reject what they spew.

There are certain measures I would support,
1. Currently, it is illegal for a private seller of a firearm to access the NICS system to check and see if a prospective buyer is a prohibited person. I would change that to opening up the NICS with a sale/no sale system.

2. I would like to see the Federal Govt. put more pressure on the states to better report to NICS who is prohibited from owning a firearm ie: felons, people adjuicated mentally unstable, convicted of domestic violence.

3. A Federal Reciprocity for CCP, if you can carry in NV, you should be able to carry in CA. Same as a driver license.

Thats just a few of them.

Guns are here to stay, you will never be able to ban or get rid of guns in this country.

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Tweet of the day (Guns) [View all] sellitman Jul 2012 OP
We're #1! We're #1! JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #1
USA! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! Scuba Jul 2012 #2
K&R 99Forever Jul 2012 #3
Fuck the NRA flamingdem Jul 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #9
Gee, that's weird permatex Jul 2012 #12
Who says only the U.S. government gets to say? Hissyspit Jul 2012 #13
He says it is a terrorist org. permatex Jul 2012 #14
I don't know. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #21
Well... I'd wonder how this stacks up in the homeland security department. calimary Jul 2012 #27
Excellent post. thucythucy Jul 2012 #48
Your arguing from emotion, not from fact permatex Jul 2012 #53
That doesn't mean we'll give up trying, permatex. calimary Jul 2012 #57
Only if you go back to the quill and ink used in that time. permatex Jul 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #39
Just countering you false statements. permatex Jul 2012 #41
Neither have I. But I *do* have an *opinion* on the matter. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #15
God save us from the day stating simple fact is "sticking up for the Right Wing" Bucky Jul 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #40
Why does it sound like a freeper forum there? permatex Jul 2012 #43
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #44
That's it? That's all you got? permatex Jul 2012 #45
Just as I thought permatex Jul 2012 #50
I am surprised it is that high in Germany tandot Jul 2012 #5
Perhaps some of that number were American armed services people. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #7
Germany has 80 plus million people thucythucy Jul 2012 #49
I live in Germany DFW Jul 2012 #63
That is interesting. I didn't know that. tandot Jul 2012 #68
They went too far, too fast DFW Jul 2012 #69
How very, very sad. polmaven Jul 2012 #6
Gun love is akin to another fundamentalist religion in this country. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #8
I agree sellitman Jul 2012 #46
American Exceptionalism ErikJ Jul 2012 #10
God damn. Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #11
Keep up the good work!! ramikin Jul 2012 #16
9,484 gun deaths in the US = "Good Work" to you? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #18
In the past 20 years it's dropped by half. krispos42 Jul 2012 #25
Wow, look at that big drop in the 90's... Scootaloo Jul 2012 #26
Roe vs. Wade krispos42 Jul 2012 #28
The argument that women have been aborting violent criminals for the last 40 years undeterred Jul 2012 #51
Which is far more plausable than saying the Assault Weapons Ban did anything krispos42 Jul 2012 #61
I'm trying to figure out if you're yanking my chain Scootaloo Jul 2012 #56
Low unemployment rate? Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2012 #54
I don't think you can link the lapse of the assault weapons ban to the drop in gun deaths. Bucky Jul 2012 #22
I dunno... I see some pretty good evidence that it is happening quakerboy Jul 2012 #37
... Bucky Jul 2012 #38
Mathematical proof that we are drowning in Star Trek phasers? chknltl Jul 2012 #55
Maybe we're just better shots than all those other countries. tclambert Jul 2012 #17
Too many guns in the hands of too many idiots magic59 Jul 2012 #19
The stupid, it burns. krispos42 Jul 2012 #23
Try murdering 12 people and injuring 59 with a knife. Just sayin'. nt laundry_queen Jul 2012 #30
A movie theater and an icepick. krispos42 Jul 2012 #31
You're just being silly now MattBaggins Jul 2012 #34
I am being serious. krispos42 Jul 2012 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #42
That scenario would assume one person per row Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #52
I'm saying it could be done. krispos42 Jul 2012 #64
Intentional homicide rate in the US is four or five times that of Europe Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #32
Still, our non-gun homicide rate is as high or higher than their total homicide rate krispos42 Jul 2012 #33
Yes...a rope, the weapon of choice of most mass murderers.... sellitman Jul 2012 #47
A logical leap that I never made. krispos42 Jul 2012 #62
The NRA is so saturated with Fear Freak Overcompensators Berlum Jul 2012 #24
total scardey cats Lex Jul 2012 #59
This makes sense because there are absolutely no other differences 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #29
No one claimed there was no difference. nt Lex Jul 2012 #60
By making a direct comparison and blaming precisely 1 variable 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #65
So your theory is everyone thinks all those countries are precisely Lex Jul 2012 #66
I believe people will conveniently ignore those differences 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #67
Checking the numbers quakerboy Jul 2012 #36
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