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FirstLight

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8. I agree

Sat Dec 2, 2017, 01:45 PM

Dec 2017

This situation is basically an INVALID Presidency IMO

There's no precedent and we are definitely in a Constitutional Crisis. There is no law on the books for what we are dealing with.

So the question then becomes-How do we fix it?
Also: Does the line of succession still apply? Even if several of those in line are illegitimately in office or part of the cover up/collusion.
Also:Who gets to fix it? It can't be Congress or the SCOTUS...It's gonna take a whole"independent commission" of sorts...maybe even something like a Constitutional Congress like back in the early days of the Republic.

Our Country will not come out of this without scars ...and they will be big...like Post Civil War or Cold War Big **Especially since this ALSO involves another country who is still hostile and dangerous!

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oh God...I think I need some brandy in my coffee now

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If it comes out that Russia stole the election for trump and all of the other illegal [View all] onecaliberal Dec 2017 OP

No Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #1

Or Judges he chose impeached? Pachamama Dec 2017 #2

No, we are fucked. SamKnause Dec 2017 #3

No, that's not how our Constitution or elections work ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #4

But theyre rhetoric was pointless and ridiculous. Were talking about conspiracy against onecaliberal Dec 2017 #5

Yeah, of course their rhetoric was pointless ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #6

There is something deeply wrong with a society that triron Dec 2017 #7

The redress is impeaching Trump ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #11

We have redress tazkcmo Dec 2017 #35

I agree FirstLight Dec 2017 #8

Why can't it be Congress? ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #12

Because the conflicts of interest are too great FirstLight Dec 2017 #14

I don't see any other option ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #15

Ideally FirstLight Dec 2017 #18

Uh huh... Baconator Dec 2017 #69

Agree with all your points. Thanks for articulating my thoughts better than I could. onecaliberal Dec 2017 #24

you for sure bluestarone Dec 2017 #26

It wasnt an election. boston bean Dec 2017 #9

Of course it was ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #10

To not acknowledge it wasnt an election but a farce ignores reality. boston bean Dec 2017 #13

+100! FirstLight Dec 2017 #16

I voted for HRC ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #17

If it is proven he colluded with russians on releasing dirt on hillary boston bean Dec 2017 #19

Yes. If no consequence only reward for the crime then where will it end. Fruit of the poisoned tree Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #28

Then it's up to Congress to impeach him, and Pence, if they won't both resign muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #60

Nope. Sorry. boston bean Dec 2017 #64

Remember, this isn't about what you'd like to happen muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #70

And a election was won via criminal means. Everything you know is out the window. boston bean Dec 2017 #71

It wouldn't be "the usual" for both the president and VP to go muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #72

We are in some unusual times which will require unusual measure. A foreign criminal enterprise boston bean Dec 2017 #73

Well, the evidence isn't all in yet. dawg day Dec 2017 #75

If Trump won with THE HELP OF OUR ENEMY RUSSIA ..... it was not an election. trueblue2007 Dec 2017 #44

Look, I think this whole thing is a bit silly and a distraction ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #47

no, it was not. fraudulent vote counts are not an election. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #49

What fraudulent vote counts? ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #52

ineligible, not illegible Sanity Claws Dec 2017 #59

No, but a one sentence law can undo it all. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #20

It would probably take a constitutional amendment, given the need to remove judges Amishman Dec 2017 #23

Not all of it Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #62

No DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 2017 #21

If Russia and trump rigged the election, he was not legitimately elected. shraby Dec 2017 #22

So much that. onecaliberal Dec 2017 #25

Yes, in a just world, but that's not how it works. aikoaiko Dec 2017 #32

How? ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #33

this. yes, we are in uncharted territory, but that doesn't mean we just accept a bogus election. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #50

Ought to be true dawg day Dec 2017 #27

Hear hear. onecaliberal Dec 2017 #29

Good question, not sure. DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #30

Nope. Doesn't work that way. EL34x4 Dec 2017 #31

+1 Puzzledtraveller Dec 2017 #40

No. It doesn't work that way. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #34

Why can't we pass a law that makes this so? rainin Dec 2017 #36

It would take a constitutional amendment ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #41

Sure. We can do this! The process is called "Amending the Constitution" EL34x4 Dec 2017 #42

If one Congress passed a law another can remove it. A new Congress could repeal any law passed... PoliticAverse Dec 2017 #45

Yep ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #48

Well, I do consider the Administration to be illegitimate rock Dec 2017 #37

Why entertain such a scenario? Puzzledtraveller Dec 2017 #38

He has been duly elected sarisataka Dec 2017 #39

Sadly . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Dec 2017 #63

My mind is blown that people yawn over the fact that there was a coup in the last onecaliberal Dec 2017 #43

I'm trying to figure out what you mean by a coup ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #51

Yes there is in at least 34 states machines were hacked by Russians. onecaliberal Dec 2017 #53

Hacking doesn't mean vote flipping ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #54

Spare me... onecaliberal Dec 2017 #55

That doesn't answer my question ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #58

Yes just as they ignored WAR CRIMES from the previous republican president. onecaliberal Dec 2017 #68

Vote flipping isn't the only way to throw an election. meadowlander Dec 2017 #67

There were improprieties in the election to be sure. Caliman73 Dec 2017 #56

Yeah that pressure worked so well to spare us from the giveaway of our tax dollars last night. onecaliberal Dec 2017 #57

You can keep fantasizing or you can do something for the future Caliman73 Dec 2017 #77

You are clueless about what I do or have done, so spare me your delusion. onecaliberal Dec 2017 #78

You are right Caliman73 Dec 2017 #79

We have have never confronted this situation before so we are in new territory delisen Dec 2017 #46

Republican congress do not care about the USA nor her people Iliyah Dec 2017 #61

The remedy is a political one. Thunderbeast Dec 2017 #65

Nope Baconator Dec 2017 #66

lol nope Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #74

This is one of the glaring weaknesses of our constitution kennetha Dec 2017 #76