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hfojvt

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48. you can find the answer in "Backlash"
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:09 PM
Jul 2012

"As Ronald C. Kessler, who tracks changes in men's health at the University of Michigan's Institute for Social Research, says: 'All this business about how hard it is to be a single woman doesn't make much sense when you look at what's really going on. It's single men who have the worst of it. When men marry, their mental health massively increases.'

The mental health data, chronciled in dozens of studies that have looked at marital differences in the last forty years, are consistent and overwhelming: The suicide rate of single men is twice as highas that of married men. Single men suffer from nearly twice as many severe neurotic symptoms and are far more susceptible to nervous breakdowns, depression, even nightmares. And despite the all-American image of the carefree single cowboy, in reality bachelors are far more likely to be morose, passive, and phobic than married men.

When constrasted with single women, unwed men fared no better in mental health studies. Single men suffer from twice as many mental health impairments as single women; they are more depressed, more passive, more likely to experience nervous breakdowns and all the designated symptoms of psychological distress - from fainting to insomnia. In one study, one third of single men scored high for severe neurotic symptoms; only 4 percent of single women did."

Point is that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, whereas a man without a woman is like a fish that has been run over by a bicycle.

Think about what society puts on men - they are supposed to have glorious careers. They generally have to pursue the opposite sex. If a woman is single, it is likely true that she has rejected men who sought her. If a man is single, he has been rejected by the women that he sought.

You see how there is a huge difference there?

Further, men are not supposed to be weak. For a man to cry or seek some kind of emotional help would be unmanly. His pain and fear make him seem pathetic - even in his own eyes, to say nothing of what other men (and more importantly women) are gonna say and think about him.

I think of the scene in The Breakfast Club. Bender starts talking about how his father insults him, hits him, and burns him with a cigar for spilling paint. He then yells, knocks some books off the table, climbs up the stairs, stomps and sits by himself. Hurt gets converted into rage.

Think of a hurt child. If a girl gets hurt, she can start crying, run to mom or dad or her friends and they will comfort her, saying "what is wrong, princess?" If a boy gets hurt after a certain age, and runs to mom or dad crying, he's gonna be told "big boys don't cry" and no way in hell is he gonna turn to his male friends with hurts and fears. They would not know how to deal with it anyway if he even had the guts to try. Better to just punch a locker or a sofa or a smaller guy, and have a few beers (alcohol, of course, being a depressant).

This kid, being smart, had a whole lot of pressure on him. He was supposed to be able to do great things with his big brain. Promises were made to him all through his childhood. "Get good grades, goto college, and you get a good job." So he believed it, he played by the frigging rules - and he had squat to show for it. Working at Mickey D's? How degrading for a guy who scored 35 on the ACT. Are you kidding me? He miust have felt like the WORLD's BIGGEST LOSER. When you don't have a job, you don't have a girl what you do have is - REJECTION. You have been rejected by all of society, or so it feels. Nobody wants you. Nobody values you. No employer and no woman. Well, what woman would want an unemployed loser?

Well, when you have been rejected, it is very easy to start to hate. To hate all those other people who seem to have what you cannot get. To hate all those other people who don't care about you or your pain. See, I have been there. I can remember a few times walking back from some pointless job application in the rain. Walking, because I cannot afford a car, and feeling hate for all those people driving past me. They had cars, and probably jobs and spouses and families, and they just drove right by me. It was like I didn't even matter to them. As Tracy Ullman sorta joked "the world is cold, it's cruel, it's dirty, and it's full of people who hate you and are mean to you just because you are different." When you feel hated, it is very easy to hate right back.

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Gun = Dick? flamingdem Jul 2012 #1
Except that a lot of women own firearms. Edweird Jul 2012 #86
Testosterone and the "I deserve to be famous" thing..... PDJane Jul 2012 #2
If testosterone was the cause,there would be a lot more violence. Swede Jul 2012 #3
exactly. too many boys ad men do not behave in a violent world. there is a reason. i agree. nt. seabeyond Jul 2012 #5
Not testosterone - too MUCH testosterone Patiod Jul 2012 #6
Being male is part of the puzzle. Swede Jul 2012 #17
women have been taught to internalize... turn their issues within. men have been taught to explode seabeyond Jul 2012 #4
I've heard of it, but it's pretty rare Patiod Jul 2012 #9
hands down there are more girl fights in my sons high school, now a days, than there are seabeyond Jul 2012 #15
With guns? Patiod Jul 2012 #25
you are talking violence due to testosterone. now it is an issue about guns? males are hands down seabeyond Jul 2012 #36
I think you have hit on a Major point of public displays of volatility. nt NCTraveler Jul 2012 #12
Yep. Girls act in, boys act out. nnt rrneck Jul 2012 #14
I suspect that is true ... earthside Jul 2012 #41
i agree with your post. and the two causes you suggest and adding a major cause imo. parenting. seabeyond Jul 2012 #42
+1000000000 arely staircase Jul 2012 #59
Which leads to other uncomfortable phenomena. earthside Jul 2012 #60
agree with all but... seabeyond Jul 2012 #71
The divorce rate argument is bogus eridani Jul 2012 #102
i think that is why this is not often discussed. seabeyond Jul 2012 #106
violence and aggression and emotional immaturity arcane1 Jul 2012 #57
MMA and video games are two totally different things Hippo_Tron Jul 2012 #93
Testosterone "poisoning"? Marrah_G Jul 2012 #7
No, it is not testosterone poisoning. potone Jul 2012 #8
Actually, this deserves some serious discussion, imo. The fact that coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #10
It's not always young men slackmaster Jul 2012 #11
Still overwhelming young men Patiod Jul 2012 #30
Also Jennifer San Marco maryellen99 Jul 2012 #101
I think, as was the case with Loughner, this guy was probably suffering from schizophrenia GarroHorus Jul 2012 #13
and if i remember correctly, it hits males more than females. but, i was thinking about this and seabeyond Jul 2012 #19
I think you are correct about the incidence of schizophrenia hifiguy Jul 2012 #92
yes, agree. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #94
Why is it so often angry young white men? undeterred Jul 2012 #16
good point. and it is mostly young white men. if it was about testosterone, then it would not seabeyond Jul 2012 #21
Same with serial killers... undeterred Jul 2012 #29
Falling short of their fantasy selves SoCalDem Jul 2012 #35
again, all that i put on societal conditioning. males are not more visually stimulated science have seabeyond Jul 2012 #38
the DC sniper and his accomplice Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #27
I think its unwise to use one canard to promote another. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #18
Yep. cliffordu Jul 2012 #44
Too much of anything is bad. Lint Head Jul 2012 #20
then why would it just be the young white male with too much. statisticall, this behavior is almost seabeyond Jul 2012 #23
You are correct. Lint Head Jul 2012 #37
there are discussions about women who kill their children- Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #22
Mental illness hits young men at a bad time Confusious Jul 2012 #24
It's not always young males. LisaL Jul 2012 #26
And yet, who are the majority? Patiod Jul 2012 #31
you can find the answer in "Backlash" hfojvt Jul 2012 #48
Hfojvt, you've nailed it. Mimosa Jul 2012 #50
he played by the frigging rules - seabeyond Jul 2012 #53
Probably Durkheim was 150 years ahead of me, describing anomie hfojvt Jul 2012 #73
you are so right. w8liftinglady Jul 2012 #70
Could evolution have something to do with it? aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #28
That's the sort of discussion I'd like to see more of Patiod Jul 2012 #33
i guess then you are suggesting genetically it is only white male with this gene? nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #39
White males? aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #43
there are seabeyond Jul 2012 #49
Drive by shootings in the inner city don't distinguish between race or gender aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #58
"males associate aggression with success" hfojvt Jul 2012 #85
Oh, please, males have testosterone in every modern society in the world. The cause is access CTyankee Jul 2012 #32
I'm not saying "being male" caused this Patiod Jul 2012 #34
Yes, I know you didn't say being male was the cause. My point is testosterone, plus being CTyankee Jul 2012 #69
Virtually every swiss male has a gun and the same testosterone issues bhikkhu Jul 2012 #46
And the Swiss agree to regulate their guns sensibly. Also the Norwegians. CTyankee Jul 2012 #66
I'd argue that the mindset is the critical thing bhikkhu Jul 2012 #95
"nobody"? Really? CTyankee Jul 2012 #98
All it takes is a constitutional amendment bhikkhu Jul 2012 #103
There could also be a law expanding the rights of people to vote for reasonable gun control CTyankee Jul 2012 #104
This is the age when schizophrenia manifests itself nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #40
Bingo! TNLib Jul 2012 #47
Good question, but then the problem seems mostly to be in the US bhikkhu Jul 2012 #45
As a self respecting male I have more than a little bit of a problem with this jimlup Jul 2012 #51
it doesnt make sense, not even a little when the vast majority of men do not resort to murder seabeyond Jul 2012 #54
^ Agree with you ^ Mimosa Jul 2012 #62
I'm still wondering how we would react if it were women doing the shooting Patiod Jul 2012 #79
we are and have discussed, you just do not seem to like the answers. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #80
Everybody's discussed it. Each time a mass killing happens. Mimosa Jul 2012 #91
Actually, it would be better explained by low testosterone nichomachus Jul 2012 #52
Possibly. Mimosa Jul 2012 #63
because angry rightwing extremists are MALES who listen to hate radio 24/7/365 graham4anything Jul 2012 #55
maybe it is caused by mothers who didnt hug them enough arely staircase Jul 2012 #56
More than testosterone I think that it's cultural. Beacool Jul 2012 #61
I agree. There are lots of countries without our level of gun violence... jmondine Jul 2012 #82
Exactly. Beacool Jul 2012 #107
Oh, hey, an evopsych thread. One of those hasn't reared up here yet. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #64
Still wondering what the reaction would be if all the shooters were women Patiod Jul 2012 #83
...and credit card debt is the result of estrogen posioning? Earth_First Jul 2012 #65
Are women responsible for 99% of credit card debt? Patiod Jul 2012 #84
no - this is a topic best not to generalize - many, many factors. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #67
But - but - we need the one simple thing we dislike to blame! (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #89
Look at girls and boys as toddlers. caseymoz Jul 2012 #68
The "Testostertone makes you violent" thing is a myth. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #72
+1. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #76
You could just as easily point out the pressure to be a provider. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #74
more like an entitlement problem southmost Jul 2012 #75
Video Games nt oldhippie Jul 2012 #77
Tipper Gore, izzat you? Odin2005 Jul 2012 #90
It is not testosterone billy_j Jul 2012 #78
Yeah, you are probably wrong... Quantess Jul 2012 #105
Testosterone poisoning? sulphurdunn Jul 2012 #81
Humans are violent by nature. Edweird Jul 2012 #87
They all have mothers, too. What's up with that? bluedigger Jul 2012 #88
I have sometimes wondered how bad my anger would be if I were a man... Quantess Jul 2012 #96
Totally agree with the bolded part treestar Jul 2012 #97
I think men are less likely to seek help for mental health issues Hippo_Tron Jul 2012 #99
No. Males are affected differently by certain mental illnesses. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #100
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