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louis c

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73. Our system doesn't work that way

Sat Dec 2, 2017, 07:44 PM

Dec 2017

The largest plurality wins all the electoral votes in a state.

The Repukes get that. They don't work to split their votes, even if it's an asshole like Trump.

So, if we create a 3rd party, and we split 60% of the vote, between us, and a fucking asshole like Trump will win 38 states with 40% of the vote.

Your idea would work in a parliamentary system, but all we would do is fuck ourselves in the current system. What we need to do is support our ideas in a 2 party system, move the Democrats in a direction consistent with our beliefs. But in the end, 2 parties 3 parties or 4 parties becomes irrelevant unless you can unite within that party if your candidate loses. You can do that in the Democratic Party and have a chance to win.

Politics is less about Philosophy and more about math. How many election cycles do you have to go through before you figure that out?

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To all the young people who voted 3rd party or sat out the GE... [View all] louis c Dec 2017 OP

I hate the "blame Baby Boomer" stuff you see whenever the Republicans do something bad. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #1

I also Hate Blaming a Generation Muneravenmn Dec 2017 #42

You can't even get them to stop buying stuff for one Christmas season. They're punched! sadiegirl Dec 2017 #52

Could you please explain the term "punched" in your subject line? susanna Dec 2017 #108

I blame anyone Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #77

The ones who sat out... chwaliszewski Dec 2017 #107

+1 PDittie Dec 2017 #115

Oh, I agree about going forward. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #128

+1 snowy owl Dec 2017 #152

This is not about blame, this is about intellgence louis c Dec 2017 #154

A quarrelsome man has no good neighbours -Benjamin Franklin vkkv Dec 2017 #156

I don't want morons for neighbors louis c Dec 2017 #158

You're either for us or against us. Got it. chwaliszewski Dec 2017 #162

Anyone who today, doesn't get it on their own, never will louis c Dec 2017 #163

The majority of Baby Boomer aged voters voted for Trump. Mariana Dec 2017 #89

They can't change things if they don't vote. They allowed Kahuna7 Dec 2017 #106

They allowed? Mariana Dec 2017 #134

Spare me the drama. Young Democrats are notorious for sitting out.. Kahuna7 Dec 2017 #147

Like Susan Sarandon says MFM008 Dec 2017 #2

Sarandon ruined the show Ray Donavan for me. Wish she would go away Pepsidog Dec 2017 #25

Fortunately, she wasn't in too many scenes DavidDvorkin Dec 2017 #41

I didnt know that there was discussion over her appearance in the show. Pepsidog Dec 2017 #83

I've never liked her as an actress DavidDvorkin Dec 2017 #90

I think you mean Ray Donovan louis c Dec 2017 #49

Yes Ray Donavan. Spell check pain in the .... Pepsidog Dec 2017 #82

I doubt young people listened to Susan Sarandon when it comes to voting crazycatlady Dec 2017 #65

I'm curious if I'm ever going to see a thread/post on here... vi5 Dec 2017 #3

You mean Republicans? ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #6

But my point is.... vi5 Dec 2017 #26

Because they are supposed to be the good guys ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #27

We've had non-voters show up xmas74 Dec 2017 #140

Those are the people I want to reach louis c Dec 2017 #165

They are out there. xmas74 Dec 2017 #168

Not just Republicans, but indies who lean right, indies who lean left but voted for Trump in 2016 aikoaiko Dec 2017 #142

+1,000. HughBeaumont Dec 2017 #8

I'll never understand the 30% of the Hispanice vote for trump...very puzzling to me, as for the... brush Dec 2017 #12

or the 13% of Black men who voted for Trump? whathehell Dec 2017 #29

You probably need to dissect that. If 13% of black men voted for trump, that means 87%... brush Dec 2017 #37

No, actually, it doesn't. whathehell Dec 2017 #38

We're talking about people who voted, right? brush Dec 2017 #39

Well, yes, that's true.. whathehell Dec 2017 #50

Yeah, that was a disappointment. I have to think there's a lot of voter remorse in that... brush Dec 2017 #87

Thr election was EXTREMELY odd...Many things just don't whathehell Dec 2017 #92

I didn't see that report but I sure hope Muellar gets to the bottom of the whole thing. brush Dec 2017 #95

Yes, absolutely whathehell Dec 2017 #99

Thank you. I'll look for it. brush Dec 2017 #100

No problem. n/t. whathehell Dec 2017 #113

Well, now African American voters know the answer to Trump's question LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2017 #131

We never fell for trump's BS. brush Dec 2017 #139

Majority of minorities dont defend those that voted trump. The way white people defend the majority JI7 Dec 2017 #56

I'm not sure what your first sentence is trying to say.. whathehell Dec 2017 #57

Why the need to defend white trump supporters ? Black people don't defend Cornel West JI7 Dec 2017 #59

Where do I "defend white Trump supporters"? whathehell Dec 2017 #60

Lol JI7 Dec 2017 #61

Lol...You can't show it.. whathehell Dec 2017 #63

Your constant complaints and needing to mention college educated white women JI7 Dec 2017 #64

Lol...Um, no whathehell Dec 2017 #68

Fact is majority of non college ed black women voted Clinton JI7 Dec 2017 #70

I know that...I have never never denied it. whathehell Dec 2017 #71

Those are Republicans, and to hell with them. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #13

And those others are independents... vi5 Dec 2017 #24

So it's the Women and the Mexicans and the Jews. Iggo Dec 2017 #18

No, my point is.... vi5 Dec 2017 #23

There's PLENTY of blame to go around... ok great, but maybe it's time we moved the fuck on! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #28

I would love to move along also. But, it seems this group is ramping up to do the same in 2020. MikeydaDog Dec 2017 #33

I agree. vsrazdem Dec 2017 #85

And that is my point! vi5 Dec 2017 #125

Point well taken... meanwhile, the most onerous tax bill in history is InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #132

Because Susan Sarandon gets public attention to spew her crap even now JI7 Dec 2017 #54

No. It's based on calling out the liars who wanted to help trump win JI7 Dec 2017 #58

I'm just sick of people defending a majority of the majority... Iggo Dec 2017 #143

Not sure what that means.... vi5 Dec 2017 #157

+1 progressoid Dec 2017 #43

Black people DO go after Cornel West Nina Turner. And huge difference is the majority of those group JI7 Dec 2017 #53

One of the biggest lies Trump's camp told minorities was only undocumented immigrants would get it IronLionZion Dec 2017 #62

OMG! Some common sense. chwaliszewski Dec 2017 #109

+1 PDittie Dec 2017 #116

A for effort. I'm glad some here are still trying. Thank you Arazi Dec 2017 #122

I'm in your situation. I'll manage. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #4

Well said louis. The idiocy of the falsehood, "there is no difference between Democrats and still_one Dec 2017 #5

I agree with what you say. lpbk2713 Dec 2017 #7

THIS. This has been their objective for DECADES. This is what they mean by "free stuff." calimary Dec 2017 #45

Lately? mdbl Dec 2017 #78

Every damn day I say this to centrists who want the left to appease toward some right wing "normal." ancianita Dec 2017 #9

Wow, that's one powerful poster! marybourg Dec 2017 #16

It's why no Dems can put down the FDR wing as divisive, because it's really the old base -- not ancianita Dec 2017 #22

Thank you for saying this. warmfeet Dec 2017 #88

I'm more angry at the 53% of white women that voted for Trump TheRealistRealist Dec 2017 #10

Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking?! Hard to believe!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #40

Makes me sick to my stomach having tuRd in the WH, f*cking us all at every turn. ffr Dec 2017 #11

Sadly, it wasn't just young people PatSeg Dec 2017 #14

I agreee, but we older foks aren't getting fucked as much louis c Dec 2017 #46

With the direction we appear to be headed, PatSeg Dec 2017 #81

but I listened to people who knew more than I did louis c Dec 2017 #86

I listened to people who knew PatSeg Dec 2017 #93

Stop the hate Sienna86 Dec 2017 #15

That's always the Democrat, whoever that nominee is louis c Dec 2017 #17

Nobody is perfect. LisaL Dec 2017 #44

Really. They always seem for forget which age groups Mariana Dec 2017 #48

We did have a candidate like that. It was Hillary Clinton. . Lil Missy Dec 2017 #110

Divide and Conquer. Iggo Dec 2017 #19

divide and conquer indeed Locrian Dec 2017 #76

Amen. First, unity in the WIN. Unity is not uniformity. We can sort the differences once we win. ancianita Dec 2017 #111

you still don't get it louis c Dec 2017 #159

Yup eom Arazi Dec 2017 #123

good to point out the student loan difference-so many are BURDENED with that lifelong debt. Sunlei Dec 2017 #20

Ditto. I will manage. Justice Dec 2017 #21

+++ heaven05 Dec 2017 #30

I am similar to you. Blue_true Dec 2017 #31

and this is just the start . . . debt and budget deficits will soar . . . entitlements will be the DrDan Dec 2017 #32

Repugs treat the federal government like a credit card they never intend to pay back mdbl Dec 2017 #80

Well, the young people I zentrum Dec 2017 #34

They own what comes, along with the MAGgots. They're in partnership. oasis Dec 2017 #35

My 32 yr old niece that didn't vote is now paying attention LittleGirl Dec 2017 #36

From Mister Rogers Neighborhood's "Conflict" episode series. moriah Dec 2017 #47

K&R betsuni Dec 2017 #51

Very well said. And sadly, all too true. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #55

Those whp didnt see the difference are more than the young one benld74 Dec 2017 #66

but it's the 18 to 35 YO that are really on the hook (NT) louis c Dec 2017 #74

I tell anyone who doesn't follow politics and doesn't vote not fooled Dec 2017 #67

This is everything. EffieBlack Dec 2017 #69

Real Progressives should.... SeloverB Dec 2017 #72

Our system doesn't work that way louis c Dec 2017 #73

Where do you suppose the two party system came from ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #75

It is that sort of thinking that led to our defeat in 16. You will never end the two party system... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #119

Ditto here. We have left the stage. leftofcool Dec 2017 #79

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #84

We have an election coming up in 2018. Another in 2020. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #91

That's exactly what this post does. It's called "tough love" louis c Dec 2017 #96

Follow your conscience. If your conscience allows you to work for the candidate Sophia4 Dec 2017 #97

Again, I don't give a fuck louis c Dec 2017 #98

If one's conscience doesn't allow one to work for Hillary, maybe one's conscience is the problem. BzaDem Dec 2017 #114

On this beautiful Sunday Morning, I say Amen to that louis c Dec 2017 #118

Yes there was a difference .... Shoonra Dec 2017 #94

Oh, I think they will learn from this. I'm confident we'll get the votes out in 2018 and 2020. KPN Dec 2017 #101

That Social Security is next on the chopping block. C Moon Dec 2017 #102

True dat. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2017 #136

K&R for visibility. lunamagica Dec 2017 #103

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #104

Non sequitur. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #144

They won't see shit now. joshcryer Dec 2017 #105

Can we quit with these generalization bashing what about the people JonLP24 Dec 2017 #112

The object of this post is to point out consequences for actions louis c Dec 2017 #124

I blame old white people, personally Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #117

Trump did what the GOP always does in that respect... but he won the rustbelt and that gave him his Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #120

I accept your blame, being an old white guy. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2017 #121

Shouldn't that say "I blame old white people, personally" who voted for tRump? Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #127

Most of them did (63% of white men 55 and older, 55% of white women 55 and older) Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #130

Your stats are correct. Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #135

K & R 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2017 #126

How ageist and wrong headed. David__77 Dec 2017 #129

just another McCarthyite attack on the left. tomp Dec 2017 #133

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Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #138

If you stayed home and purposely chose not to xmas74 Dec 2017 #141

It must be so nice GaryCnf Dec 2017 #145

I'm worried about my own child. xmas74 Dec 2017 #146

Let's just get more people to vote for WHOEVER they want to! That is our right. vkkv Dec 2017 #148

if you vote green, like Nader and Stein... louis c Dec 2017 #149

But they aren't you and that is everyone right - Get it? vkkv Dec 2017 #150

I only want to be allied... louis c Dec 2017 #153

So you're bigoted against liberals who don't vote your way? Isn't that what you're admitting to? vkkv Dec 2017 #155

bigoted???? louis c Dec 2017 #160

Oh for Gawd's sake.. vkkv Dec 2017 #161

Get the point? louis c Dec 2017 #164

I think you are mistaken. vkkv Dec 2017 #166

I spend my Sundays on this forum louis c Dec 2017 #169

No one knows how they would have voted. Blaming isn't the answer. snowy owl Dec 2017 #151

I've done gotv at the local community college flamingdem Dec 2017 #167

Hillary won the youth vote in a landslide. DemocraticWing Dec 2017 #170

This OP is ablout young voters because... louis c Dec 2017 #171