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111. You beat me to it. OP doesnt realize that they are part of the problem

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Sat Dec 2, 2017, 11:34 PM

Dec 2017

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Imagine if, rather than blaming the "far left", (whatever you think that is), [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2017 OP

The far left is an issue. nycbos Dec 2017 #1

How big do you feel this amorphous "far left" is? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #4

It's not how big, it's how LOUD. And they were very, very loud. They were staunchly Squinch Dec 2017 #22

Speculation. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #39

And your position is no less speculation. But I don't really see how you can deny that those Squinch Dec 2017 #43

Squinch is correct. And OP, 42% didn't vote. 58% of 200M registered voters, Hortensis Dec 2017 #180

Hortensis, he recognized (gave respect) to KPN Dec 2017 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Dec 2017 #190

And the media covered them, during Obama's years as well, mcar Dec 2017 #52

But 1) Obama had not been successfully and completely baselessly smeared as "crooked." Squinch Dec 2017 #104

The "both parties are the same" BS came up way before Susan Sarandon ever said it mdbl Dec 2017 #85

Bullshit. When it started is not the point. It was a battle cry in this election. It was constant Squinch Dec 2017 #94

Russia pushed the rw memes hard, so yes, in a way it did. lark Dec 2017 #226

Interesting point of view. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #117

Good catch! n/t radical noodle Dec 2017 #134

No it's not melman Dec 2017 #222

You forgot corporatist. Lunabell Dec 2017 #29

Non-voting is an issue whathehell Dec 2017 #70

There is no "the left". It's not a singular thing. They are the left(s). JHB Dec 2017 #92

The primary is over and the abuse was universal. Shit was thrown at Bernie supporters, too .... marble falls Dec 2017 #110

Bernie's supporters are STILL owed a collective apology Ken Burch Dec 2017 #120

Yeah but its not going to come and any retribution will only hurt us all. 2018 it the real objective marble falls Dec 2017 #122

Sad, but true. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #124

I don't want retribution. Just an acceptance of the fact that Sanders supporters are NOT the enemy. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #136

Bernie is still working hard for us all. But some of us here will never own up to their abuse ... marble falls Dec 2017 #142

Well said, and agreed. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #220

Just. Stop. FFS. nt Skidmore Dec 2017 #236

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #186

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #194

You Mean Identity Politics Me. Dec 2017 #208

No, I don't mean that, because I've never defended what Bernie said there Ken Burch Dec 2017 #229

But Yet According To You Me. Dec 2017 #230

What I'm saying is, make a distinction between Bernie and his supporters. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #231

You Mean Separate The Child From The Parent? Me. Dec 2017 #233

There is. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #243

Of Course We Can Move On Me. Dec 2017 #248

The shortcoming of the message from a now-ended campaign no longer matter. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #287

Perhaps You Missed The Ongoing Message Me. Dec 2017 #288

What they support is the economic justice message Ken Burch Dec 2017 #290

Here's The Problem With Your Insistence Me. Dec 2017 #293

"Our Revolution has a stated interest in voting for the Cons"? Ken Burch Dec 2017 #294

This Me. Dec 2017 #309

Yeah. I remember hearing about this I think. I know I have seen it alleged and now we know it is Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #311

... Me. Dec 2017 #313

Woah! sheshe2 Dec 2017 #314

Great facts Gothmog Dec 2017 #315

Since no Republican or LIbertarian would ever take such a position... Ken Burch Dec 2017 #316

Yet it is in fact a quote. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #317

I agree that they shouldn't have said it. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #318

Nice Try Me. Dec 2017 #319

Aahhh sheshe2 Dec 2017 #321

And this... lapucelle Dec 2017 #324

That Is Even Better THan My Example Me. Dec 2017 #325

,,, lapucelle Dec 2017 #326

Ken, if you don't let it go then you can't expect anyone else to either Cary Dec 2017 #244

Well... at least you tried. And you were thoughtful, sincere and kind about it, too. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #247

DAYUM, NurseJackie - that's a great one! calimary Dec 2017 #251

I have decided to take the high road and just speak my truth Cary Dec 2017 #267

Wow Me. Dec 2017 #320

I have no idea why he is allowed to peddle his garbage here. moda253 Dec 2017 #289

No argument here Cary Dec 2017 #292

So true! He should be calling out this endless divisiveness, R B Garr Dec 2017 #334

Oh, good lord! Stop it. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #237

Amazing response. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #277

Aww... thanks very much! Very sweet of you to notice. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #286

speechless Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #254

I condemned the bad things some Sanders supporters said a LONG time ago. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #256

LOL! (If only!) NurseJackie Dec 2017 #261

;) sheshe2 Dec 2017 #323

You're confusing 'insinuation' and 'inference of questionable accuracy' again. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #272

I disagree strongly with your claims Gothmog Dec 2017 #284

So you SAY "Let's deal with 2018" but then you pop right on to refighting the primary. SMH. Squinch Dec 2017 #145

Reread. I said abuse was tossed from both sides. I said the primary is over. I said waiting .... marble falls Dec 2017 #150

. Squinch Dec 2017 #153

None so ignorant as the wilfully ignorant. I got better things to do. You keep on refighting 2016. marble falls Dec 2017 #157

Then do get on with them and stop refighting the primary. Squinch Dec 2017 #160

Look in the mirror. KTM Dec 2017 #178

I said nothing about the primary except to point out the rehash of it. I don't do the rehashes. Squinch Dec 2017 #183

Again, mirror. KTM Dec 2017 #185

Link to any post where I have rehashed. Squinch Dec 2017 #204

Reread my post. 'There was shit thrown by both sides. Get past it and start dealing with what we... marble falls Dec 2017 #332

No...the shit was aimed at Hillary by the left left (green riffraff), Republicans and Russians... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #331

I voted for Clinton and opposed her foreign policy. David__77 Dec 2017 #181

you think hillary's vote to attack iraq is insignificant? nt tomp Dec 2017 #189

She admitted she made a mistake. nycbos Dec 2017 #196

oh, please! tomp Dec 2017 #200

She got more flack then others because she is a women. nycbos Dec 2017 #223

Bulls**t. tomp Dec 2017 #240

"The left has a big problem with sexism"? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #245

maybe people were trying to tell her something that would have helped her win. yurbud Dec 2017 #296

I'm with you friend, another Democratic Socialist, proud Progressive here! LongTomH Dec 2017 #2

Thanks LTH guillaumeb Dec 2017 #5

Perhaps those hungry for real solutions sheshe2 Dec 2017 #24

Yes, and yes,and yes, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #40

Yet Democrats. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #50

We cannot win by chasing the same voters who happily vote for the GOP. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #59

In that case +1000 sheshe2 Dec 2017 #227

Agreed. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #263

Ok, that's the problem. What's the solution? ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #51

The GOP has successfully framed the narrative since 1980. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #61

But see what I'm getting at here? ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #74

We are losing seats for a variety of reasons. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #77

Good point ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #79

We've been losing seats (and states) rather consistantly since the mid-90's rpannier Dec 2017 #88

Thus my statement: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #203

I do not have the answers. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #80

So right you are. Thanks for pointing this out. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #121

Yes, it's up to us to make sure people vote. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #119

actions speak louder than words Fiendish Thingy Dec 2017 #132

Excellent observations. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #211

We talked about idealists vs pragmatists wasupaloopa Dec 2017 #55

An excellent distinction. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #69

Being an idealist radical noodle Dec 2017 #135

Wise words DeeDeeNY Dec 2017 #3

Thank YOU. oem guillaumeb Dec 2017 #6

+100 HopeAgain Dec 2017 #7

Thank YOU. oem guillaumeb Dec 2017 #8

Democrats: billh58 Dec 2017 #9

Agreed, but not all voters are as enthusiastic or informed guillaumeb Dec 2017 #12

The clear alternatives billh58 Dec 2017 #17

Your list is a Sanders' list George Eliot Dec 2017 #35

The Clinton that Reich is talking about in that article is Bill, not Hillary. lapucelle Dec 2017 #86

Not when 2 for the price of 1 is a offered as an asset. aikoaiko Dec 2017 #224

This characterization of the clintons is bogus. tomp Dec 2017 #253

Some prefer to rely on data and professional analytics lapucelle Dec 2017 #259

Both parties are not at all the same. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #36

Wonder if people will respond ... seems anger and blame provoke responses over thoughtful posts George Eliot Dec 2017 #10

Anger and blame have their places, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #44

Odd response. Apathy due to what exactly? Who are these apathetic voters? George Eliot Dec 2017 #63

The young voted in large numbers for Sanders, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #66

Reagann democrats mdbl Dec 2017 #83

Or a recognition that the Democratic Party is not of one mind on everything. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #202

Collectively, it would be nice if we found common ground again mdbl Dec 2017 #270

No, it's not FDR policy. It's the wing of the party that has one issue and that takes its ball Squinch Dec 2017 #106

+1 emulatorloo Dec 2017 #130

+1 betsuni Dec 2017 #140

Your response is inflammatory and I can't figure out what that "ball" is... George Eliot Dec 2017 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Dec 2017 #158

Everyone who advocated not voting for Clinton is to blame greeny2323 Dec 2017 #11

And the 48% who did not vote? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #13

We blame them for listening to the a-holes saying not to vote for Clinton too Steven Maurer Dec 2017 #250

Simplistic thinking. How explain the Trump win when so many Republicans advocated not voting Trump? George Eliot Dec 2017 #15

Not after the primary was over. Once Trump(R) was the candidate, they did what Squinch Dec 2017 #143

personal insult? Let me know what you regard as an insult please George Eliot Dec 2017 #151

If you don't know when you are insulting people, that's yours to fix, not mine. Squinch Dec 2017 #155

Ah... George Eliot Dec 2017 #171

Tom Perez is working to reach out to them. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #14

Perez is wrong person to reach out. He is exactly what blue collar voted against. Do your hw. George Eliot Dec 2017 #16

. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #18

Yes. Kicking, screaming and tantrums trump reading & info every time. George Eliot Dec 2017 #23

You know this makes no sense whatsoever, right? Squinch Dec 2017 #144

what? that little cartoon kicking and screaming? haha George Eliot Dec 2017 #148

No, I get it fine. It's just that you, superior though you think you are, are making no sense. Squinch Dec 2017 #149

You are too emotional to see it. Reason is futile when emotions take over. George Eliot Dec 2017 #159

I see you George. I know. Your slip has fallen. Squinch Dec 2017 #161

??? George Eliot Dec 2017 #164

This is complicated. Squinch Dec 2017 #165

Seriously. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #167

It's actually a tactic used very consistently. Squinch Dec 2017 #170

whatever could THAT mean? it means lots of RWNJ's and russian trolls. stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #177

Ayup. Squinch Dec 2017 #182

Quite the contrary. I hope people read it. It expresses the disappointment in the current policies George Eliot Dec 2017 #174

I think that is an ROFL icon. lapucelle Dec 2017 #268

This message was self-deleted by its author George Eliot Dec 2017 #20

What blue collar? mcar Dec 2017 #54

The racists. They don't like Perez- shocking! bettyellen Dec 2017 #216

Make that Old white men. Wwcd Dec 2017 #305

You clearly know nothing about Tom Perez emulatorloo Dec 2017 #131

fail... stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #176

"He is exactly what blue collar voted against" - yeah they loved "The Wall" and hated DACA- bettyellen Dec 2017 #215

Your position is also clear. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #45

Thanks - too many purposefully deaf . bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #97

I was stating the obvious. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #168

You were obviously framing. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #207

Those who judge will never understand and those who understand will never judge George Eliot Dec 2017 #175

Why did 48% of eligible, registered voters decide to not vote in 2016? OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #19

You can do better. George Eliot Dec 2017 #25

Not for this crowd. OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #31

This was the first presidential election since the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. lapucelle Dec 2017 #328

Thanks from an FDR Democrat! George Eliot Dec 2017 #21

Thank you thank you! DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #26

THANKS, guill! elleng Dec 2017 #27

You are welcome. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #47

Exactly. elleng Dec 2017 #57

Because they never do. applegrove Dec 2017 #28

But why? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #48

They are made to feel apathetic by not having their issues solved. But applegrove Dec 2017 #75

True. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #78

Agreed and thank you. MuseRider Dec 2017 #30

+1 George Eliot Dec 2017 #37

This! Lunabell Dec 2017 #32

Me, too. BadgerMom Dec 2017 #42

I also voted for Hillary Lunabell Dec 2017 #46

what A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2017 #33

It's not easy for some folks to take off work oberliner Dec 2017 #34

True. There are many reasons. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #49

Voting should be made as easy as possible oberliner Dec 2017 #112

Agreed rpannier Dec 2017 #127

I agree that we need to get more people out to the polls and motivated. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #38

That question is asked after every loss Progressive dog Dec 2017 #41

Well said. They are a very self-important group, the far left, assuming that they, and only... NNadir Dec 2017 #62

You beat me to it. OP doesnt realize that they are part of the problem stevenleser Dec 2017 #111

+1 chwaliszewski Dec 2017 #53

Too damn much squabbling here, folks. elleng Dec 2017 #56

Probably the same reason they didn't vote for decades previously... brooklynite Dec 2017 #58

While true GaryCnf Dec 2017 #114

Oh please Cary Dec 2017 #60

Illustrative of the issue that I attempted to address. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #65

Yawn. Cary Dec 2017 #108

Yawn if you will, as Democrats lose seats. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #206

So you're claiming superiority? Cary Dec 2017 #210

You are entitled to your opinion. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #217

Gee, thanks Cary Dec 2017 #235

What you call reality is your opinion of what constitutes reality. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #264

I'm correct. Cary Dec 2017 #269

I understand your viewpoint. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #274

My motivation is to defeat Republicans and elect Democrats Cary Dec 2017 #276

👍 OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #68

What's wrong with incremental solutions? Tavarious Jackson Dec 2017 #64

FDR pursued large change. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #72

It was a different time Tavarious Jackson Dec 2017 #82

I agree with you. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #205

Large change in limited sectors lapucelle Dec 2017 #93

FDR was able to pursue "large change" thucythucy Dec 2017 #98

The country was in different shape then and those who benefited were mostly white JI7 Dec 2017 #103

I'm fine with your targeting idea rpannier Dec 2017 #91

I see the opposite happening Tavarious Jackson Dec 2017 #95

Part of that 48% was people who thought Hillary would win because she was "inevitable." Tatiana Dec 2017 #67

Recommended. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #73

That, and "what can we do about voter suppression?" Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #71

True. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #76

Agreed. Voter suppression plus misrepresentation via the Electoral College stuffmatters Dec 2017 #262

I agree but that will require change in the policies/priorities of the party. George Eliot Dec 2017 #81

Imagine that I don't care why they didn't vote leftofcool Dec 2017 #84

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #87

Voter turnout in 2016 was 60%. Other than 2008 (61.6) and 2004 (60.1) we haven't had a Presidential seaglass Dec 2017 #90

The term far left is a right wing meme. Scruffy1 Dec 2017 #96

Yup. zentrum Dec 2017 #100

+1 leftstreet Dec 2017 #113

+1 CNN debate had Cruz calling Sanders "socialist" as often as he could fit it in. George Eliot Dec 2017 #152

+1000 LongTomH Dec 2017 #201

Keith Ellison zentrum Dec 2017 #99

Why don't those who complain and attack the democratic party get those votes ? JI7 Dec 2017 #101

Excellent question. Squinch Dec 2017 #105

Did it occur to you that those who are green are pretty smart people and knew that if they George Eliot Dec 2017 #169

Thank you from this lefty. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #102

Voting rickyhall Dec 2017 #107

Thank you! denvine Dec 2017 #109

Imagine all the people... Snackshack Dec 2017 #115

Very true. Far easier to blame than to fix. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #214

Fairly simple really... Adrahil Dec 2017 #116

I could consider myself 'far left' - about as far left as you can go. Stonepounder Dec 2017 #118

You are saying both parties are the same. You are saying that today, in this moment, Squinch Dec 2017 #146

That's interesting.The party has become the party of professionals. At least that's the slant I've George Eliot Dec 2017 #172

Sounds good on paper NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #123

Good thread. I really felt Hillary would win, and I wasn't thrilled.. mvd Dec 2017 #125

I belong and support the DSA The_Casual_Observer Dec 2017 #126

Right on! caraher Dec 2017 #128

I think real liberal candidate will win. Not some "progressive", or just enough to not brewens Dec 2017 #129

Single payer and economic justice do not make a "real liberal." A REAL liberal Squinch Dec 2017 #147

Arguing for the sake of arguing. Racial justice and gender justice depend on economic justice. George Eliot Dec 2017 #162

I'm all for that too. If a candidate does not want single payer and economic justice. I'm brewens Dec 2017 #179

And if a candidate does not equally prioritize racial and gender justice, I'm not interested. Squinch Dec 2017 #184

RW myth. In fact, Nov. '16 turnout broke records. In CA it was 75.27%. ucrdem Dec 2017 #133

Thank you. Trump did motivate a group of people that were looking for economic help. Many were dems George Eliot Dec 2017 #163

Yes, that was semi-official meme 2.0, after the low-turnout meme was exposed. ucrdem Dec 2017 #197

Do you have evidence for that? I can believe it but would like to see some evidence. George Eliot Dec 2017 #246

Screen-shots: Wisconsin vote totals don't match ballots cast ucrdem Dec 2017 #258

This assumes no voter depresion by the Republicans. joshcryer Dec 2017 #137

nah I'm good critiquing forces which only serve to further supress votes, or lead to bad outcomes JHan Dec 2017 #138

+1 betsuni Dec 2017 #141

Imagine you have malcontents on the left blaming Democrats for the passage of the tax bill. JHan Dec 2017 #241

Bravo! jimlup Dec 2017 #139

What happened JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #156

First off GaryCnf Dec 2017 #257

One more thing GaryCnf Dec 2017 #260

The far left provides the same results as the far right. democratisphere Dec 2017 #166

How could the Democratic Party fix that? George Eliot Dec 2017 #173

"why the 48% of non-voters did not vote?" honest.abe Dec 2017 #187

Welcome to DU, and the discussion. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #218

My thoughts? You are 100% dead on KPN Dec 2017 #188

cross-posted from another thread: tomp Dec 2017 #191

Careful. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #198

i'm thoroughly familiar with such labeling.... tomp Dec 2017 #213

Want to solve the turnout issue? have another civil war or a mandatory draft.... Fresh_Start Dec 2017 #193

Essentially write off a large percentage of the electorate? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #219

I've said this all along. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #195

Many will never vote unless forced. xmas74 Dec 2017 #199

There's good evidence of why people don't vote... Sancho Dec 2017 #209

An excellent addition. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #212

I agree that the DNC, local Democratic candidates, etc. don't put election processes at the top. Sancho Dec 2017 #238

+1 Martin Eden Dec 2017 #249

A very large percentage of non-voters would vote Democratic if they did vote. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #221

You see. Blue_true Dec 2017 #225

Voter suppression through new and onerous ID laws, pnwmom Dec 2017 #228

none on this, this heaven05 Dec 2017 #232

+1 Me. Dec 2017 #234

thank you for this thread Locrian Dec 2017 #239

Many "lefty haters" are like a dog gnawing on a bone left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #242

"What if the Democratic Party could convince these apathetic non-voters to make a choice?" Martin Eden Dec 2017 #252

Excellent points. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #265

And acting upon it Martin Eden Dec 2017 #266

In my view, the Democratic Party, and Democratic voters guillaumeb Dec 2017 #273

Agreed Martin Eden Dec 2017 #283

Doesn't change the fact that the "far left" and 3rd party voters are an issue. Which they are. Lil Missy Dec 2017 #255

There have always been those who don't vote...if you are implying that it has to do with our message Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #271

So non-voters are unreachable? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #275

It depends. Some can't vote. Some are unreachable...and I think it is a waste of time to target them Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #295

I feel that we need to do both. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #299

We don't have the money...you ever notice how many people don't give to the DNC these days. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #327

What if the exreme lefties (they often admit they are), voted in a manner that didn't help Trump? BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #278

How do you define the extreme left, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #280

as I'd already said in the post above...they often call it themselves. BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #282

I asked 2 questions. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #298

your second question implies a premise that has no baring on a win or a loss BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #310

I disagree. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #336

Imagine if we solved problems rather than simply point at them LanternWaste Dec 2017 #279

Hundreds, thousands, of posts would have not been posted. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #281

Imagine if, instead of trying to divide and bicker on a web forum, that someone actually FSogol Dec 2017 #285

Imagine reading #281, located directly above at this time. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #300

The river flows both ways Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #291

Imagine reading #281, located above. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #301

Fair enough, and I do the same Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #333

Good for you, and what you do. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #338

I can ask that question and blame the idiots that voted for Stein Downtown Hound Dec 2017 #297

Vote in November and for a Democrat, NO MATTER WHAT. Any democrat on the ballot will do. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #302

And the first word is VOTE, and vote in every election. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #303

My recollection is people were pissed Obama didnt fix the entire health insurance problem in less Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #304

People expected President Obama to be a Superman, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #306

Imagine not blaiming the Democratic Party for all the damning one-liners the Kremlin told voters to Wwcd Dec 2017 #307

And imagine a media that was actually informative and unbiased. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #308

And imagine that media presenting a sound & solid policy platform from each candidate Wwcd Dec 2017 #312

True. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #337

Wow, the divisiveness he brings is what the Russians R B Garr Dec 2017 #322

This was the first presidential election since the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. lapucelle Dec 2017 #329

+1 betsuni Dec 2017 #330

An excellent response. And all part of the suppression of which I spoke. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #339

The demise of the Voting Rights Act and the Citizens United decision lapucelle Dec 2017 #343

You ignore the obvious. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #335

It is obvious if one accepts it as correct. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #340

Sounds like you're desperately trying to Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #341

It sounds to me as if you misread the post. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #342

Didn't misread your post. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #344

Yup. Stump speech one liners. The bull shit was deep & everyone jumped in the same pool Wwcd Dec 2017 #345