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seabeyond

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54. it doesnt make sense, not even a little when the vast majority of men do not resort to murder

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Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:28 PM

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Why is it always young men? Is testosterone poisoning a problem? [View all] Patiod Jul 2012 OP

Gun = Dick? flamingdem Jul 2012 #1

Except that a lot of women own firearms. Edweird Jul 2012 #86

Testosterone and the "I deserve to be famous" thing..... PDJane Jul 2012 #2

If testosterone was the cause,there would be a lot more violence. Swede Jul 2012 #3

exactly. too many boys ad men do not behave in a violent world. there is a reason. i agree. nt. seabeyond Jul 2012 #5

Not testosterone - too MUCH testosterone Patiod Jul 2012 #6

Being male is part of the puzzle. Swede Jul 2012 #17

women have been taught to internalize... turn their issues within. men have been taught to explode seabeyond Jul 2012 #4

I've heard of it, but it's pretty rare Patiod Jul 2012 #9

hands down there are more girl fights in my sons high school, now a days, than there are seabeyond Jul 2012 #15

With guns? Patiod Jul 2012 #25

you are talking violence due to testosterone. now it is an issue about guns? males are hands down seabeyond Jul 2012 #36

I think you have hit on a Major point of public displays of volatility. nt NCTraveler Jul 2012 #12

Yep. Girls act in, boys act out. nnt rrneck Jul 2012 #14

I suspect that is true ... earthside Jul 2012 #41

i agree with your post. and the two causes you suggest and adding a major cause imo. parenting. seabeyond Jul 2012 #42

+1000000000 arely staircase Jul 2012 #59

Which leads to other uncomfortable phenomena. earthside Jul 2012 #60

agree with all but... seabeyond Jul 2012 #71

The divorce rate argument is bogus eridani Jul 2012 #102

i think that is why this is not often discussed. seabeyond Jul 2012 #106

violence and aggression and emotional immaturity arcane1 Jul 2012 #57

MMA and video games are two totally different things Hippo_Tron Jul 2012 #93

Testosterone "poisoning"? Marrah_G Jul 2012 #7

No, it is not testosterone poisoning. potone Jul 2012 #8

Actually, this deserves some serious discussion, imo. The fact that coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #10

It's not always young men slackmaster Jul 2012 #11

Still overwhelming young men Patiod Jul 2012 #30

Also Jennifer San Marco maryellen99 Jul 2012 #101

I think, as was the case with Loughner, this guy was probably suffering from schizophrenia GarroHorus Jul 2012 #13

and if i remember correctly, it hits males more than females. but, i was thinking about this and seabeyond Jul 2012 #19

I think you are correct about the incidence of schizophrenia hifiguy Jul 2012 #92

yes, agree. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #94

Why is it so often angry young white men? undeterred Jul 2012 #16

good point. and it is mostly young white men. if it was about testosterone, then it would not seabeyond Jul 2012 #21

Same with serial killers... undeterred Jul 2012 #29

Falling short of their fantasy selves SoCalDem Jul 2012 #35

again, all that i put on societal conditioning. males are not more visually stimulated science have seabeyond Jul 2012 #38

the DC sniper and his accomplice Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #27

I think its unwise to use one canard to promote another. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #18

Yep. cliffordu Jul 2012 #44

Too much of anything is bad. Lint Head Jul 2012 #20

then why would it just be the young white male with too much. statisticall, this behavior is almost seabeyond Jul 2012 #23

You are correct. Lint Head Jul 2012 #37

there are discussions about women who kill their children- Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #22

Mental illness hits young men at a bad time Confusious Jul 2012 #24

It's not always young males. LisaL Jul 2012 #26

And yet, who are the majority? Patiod Jul 2012 #31

you can find the answer in "Backlash" hfojvt Jul 2012 #48

Hfojvt, you've nailed it. Mimosa Jul 2012 #50

he played by the frigging rules - seabeyond Jul 2012 #53

Probably Durkheim was 150 years ahead of me, describing anomie hfojvt Jul 2012 #73

you are so right. w8liftinglady Jul 2012 #70

Could evolution have something to do with it? aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #28

That's the sort of discussion I'd like to see more of Patiod Jul 2012 #33

i guess then you are suggesting genetically it is only white male with this gene? nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #39

White males? aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #43

there are seabeyond Jul 2012 #49

Drive by shootings in the inner city don't distinguish between race or gender aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #58

"males associate aggression with success" hfojvt Jul 2012 #85

Oh, please, males have testosterone in every modern society in the world. The cause is access CTyankee Jul 2012 #32

I'm not saying "being male" caused this Patiod Jul 2012 #34

Yes, I know you didn't say being male was the cause. My point is testosterone, plus being CTyankee Jul 2012 #69

Virtually every swiss male has a gun and the same testosterone issues bhikkhu Jul 2012 #46

And the Swiss agree to regulate their guns sensibly. Also the Norwegians. CTyankee Jul 2012 #66

I'd argue that the mindset is the critical thing bhikkhu Jul 2012 #95

"nobody"? Really? CTyankee Jul 2012 #98

All it takes is a constitutional amendment bhikkhu Jul 2012 #103

There could also be a law expanding the rights of people to vote for reasonable gun control CTyankee Jul 2012 #104

This is the age when schizophrenia manifests itself nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #40

Bingo! TNLib Jul 2012 #47

Good question, but then the problem seems mostly to be in the US bhikkhu Jul 2012 #45

As a self respecting male I have more than a little bit of a problem with this jimlup Jul 2012 #51

it doesnt make sense, not even a little when the vast majority of men do not resort to murder seabeyond Jul 2012 #54

^ Agree with you ^ Mimosa Jul 2012 #62

I'm still wondering how we would react if it were women doing the shooting Patiod Jul 2012 #79

we are and have discussed, you just do not seem to like the answers. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #80

Everybody's discussed it. Each time a mass killing happens. Mimosa Jul 2012 #91

Actually, it would be better explained by low testosterone nichomachus Jul 2012 #52

Possibly. Mimosa Jul 2012 #63

because angry rightwing extremists are MALES who listen to hate radio 24/7/365 graham4anything Jul 2012 #55

maybe it is caused by mothers who didnt hug them enough arely staircase Jul 2012 #56

More than testosterone I think that it's cultural. Beacool Jul 2012 #61

I agree. There are lots of countries without our level of gun violence... jmondine Jul 2012 #82

Exactly. Beacool Jul 2012 #107

Oh, hey, an evopsych thread. One of those hasn't reared up here yet. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #64

Still wondering what the reaction would be if all the shooters were women Patiod Jul 2012 #83

...and credit card debt is the result of estrogen posioning? Earth_First Jul 2012 #65

Are women responsible for 99% of credit card debt? Patiod Jul 2012 #84

no - this is a topic best not to generalize - many, many factors. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #67

But - but - we need the one simple thing we dislike to blame! (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #89

Look at girls and boys as toddlers. caseymoz Jul 2012 #68

The "Testostertone makes you violent" thing is a myth. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #72

+1. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #76

You could just as easily point out the pressure to be a provider. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #74

more like an entitlement problem southmost Jul 2012 #75

Video Games nt oldhippie Jul 2012 #77

Tipper Gore, izzat you? Odin2005 Jul 2012 #90

It is not testosterone billy_j Jul 2012 #78

Yeah, you are probably wrong... Quantess Jul 2012 #105

Testosterone poisoning? sulphurdunn Jul 2012 #81

Humans are violent by nature. Edweird Jul 2012 #87

They all have mothers, too. What's up with that? bluedigger Jul 2012 #88

I have sometimes wondered how bad my anger would be if I were a man... Quantess Jul 2012 #96

Totally agree with the bolded part treestar Jul 2012 #97

I think men are less likely to seek help for mental health issues Hippo_Tron Jul 2012 #99

No. Males are affected differently by certain mental illnesses. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #100