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138. nah I'm good critiquing forces which only serve to further supress votes, or lead to bad outcomes

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:39 AM

Dec 2017

on top of voter suppression from the GOP. Wherever those harmful efforts exist I will critique them.

And too often there is confusion over having a message and whether that message is able to pierce through Trumpian noise or the way Media frames issues, and the evils of bothsidism - the stupid idea that both sides are the same. On this site i see nonsense about Democrats being "GOP -lite" .

Just this year, when Dems announced "A Better Deal" slogan you couldn't stop the naysayers and doom and gloomers shouting it down, despite the fact that it is basically what was in the platform in 2016, which progressives had a hand in ..and what amused me about the whole thing was the fact that people forgot that in 2006, Dems swept into Congress with “together, we can do better.” or some such thing- . Read this and tell me it isn't a mirror image of convos happening right now: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2005/10/24/159298/-

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Imagine if, rather than blaming the "far left", (whatever you think that is), [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2017 OP

The far left is an issue. nycbos Dec 2017 #1

How big do you feel this amorphous "far left" is? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #4

It's not how big, it's how LOUD. And they were very, very loud. They were staunchly Squinch Dec 2017 #22

Speculation. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #39

And your position is no less speculation. But I don't really see how you can deny that those Squinch Dec 2017 #43

Squinch is correct. And OP, 42% didn't vote. 58% of 200M registered voters, Hortensis Dec 2017 #180

Hortensis, he recognized (gave respect) to KPN Dec 2017 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Dec 2017 #190

And the media covered them, during Obama's years as well, mcar Dec 2017 #52

But 1) Obama had not been successfully and completely baselessly smeared as "crooked." Squinch Dec 2017 #104

The "both parties are the same" BS came up way before Susan Sarandon ever said it mdbl Dec 2017 #85

Bullshit. When it started is not the point. It was a battle cry in this election. It was constant Squinch Dec 2017 #94

Russia pushed the rw memes hard, so yes, in a way it did. lark Dec 2017 #226

Interesting point of view. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #117

Good catch! n/t radical noodle Dec 2017 #134

No it's not melman Dec 2017 #222

You forgot corporatist. Lunabell Dec 2017 #29

Non-voting is an issue whathehell Dec 2017 #70

There is no "the left". It's not a singular thing. They are the left(s). JHB Dec 2017 #92

The primary is over and the abuse was universal. Shit was thrown at Bernie supporters, too .... marble falls Dec 2017 #110

Bernie's supporters are STILL owed a collective apology Ken Burch Dec 2017 #120

Yeah but its not going to come and any retribution will only hurt us all. 2018 it the real objective marble falls Dec 2017 #122

Sad, but true. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #124

I don't want retribution. Just an acceptance of the fact that Sanders supporters are NOT the enemy. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #136

Bernie is still working hard for us all. But some of us here will never own up to their abuse ... marble falls Dec 2017 #142

Well said, and agreed. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #220

Just. Stop. FFS. nt Skidmore Dec 2017 #236

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #186

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #194

You Mean Identity Politics Me. Dec 2017 #208

No, I don't mean that, because I've never defended what Bernie said there Ken Burch Dec 2017 #229

But Yet According To You Me. Dec 2017 #230

What I'm saying is, make a distinction between Bernie and his supporters. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #231

You Mean Separate The Child From The Parent? Me. Dec 2017 #233

There is. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #243

Of Course We Can Move On Me. Dec 2017 #248

The shortcoming of the message from a now-ended campaign no longer matter. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #287

Perhaps You Missed The Ongoing Message Me. Dec 2017 #288

What they support is the economic justice message Ken Burch Dec 2017 #290

Here's The Problem With Your Insistence Me. Dec 2017 #293

"Our Revolution has a stated interest in voting for the Cons"? Ken Burch Dec 2017 #294

This Me. Dec 2017 #309

Yeah. I remember hearing about this I think. I know I have seen it alleged and now we know it is Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #311

... Me. Dec 2017 #313

Woah! sheshe2 Dec 2017 #314

Great facts Gothmog Dec 2017 #315

Since no Republican or LIbertarian would ever take such a position... Ken Burch Dec 2017 #316

Yet it is in fact a quote. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #317

I agree that they shouldn't have said it. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #318

Nice Try Me. Dec 2017 #319

Aahhh sheshe2 Dec 2017 #321

And this... lapucelle Dec 2017 #324

That Is Even Better THan My Example Me. Dec 2017 #325

,,, lapucelle Dec 2017 #326

Ken, if you don't let it go then you can't expect anyone else to either Cary Dec 2017 #244

Well... at least you tried. And you were thoughtful, sincere and kind about it, too. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #247

DAYUM, NurseJackie - that's a great one! calimary Dec 2017 #251

I have decided to take the high road and just speak my truth Cary Dec 2017 #267

Wow Me. Dec 2017 #320

I have no idea why he is allowed to peddle his garbage here. moda253 Dec 2017 #289

No argument here Cary Dec 2017 #292

So true! He should be calling out this endless divisiveness, R B Garr Dec 2017 #334

Oh, good lord! Stop it. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #237

Amazing response. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #277

Aww... thanks very much! Very sweet of you to notice. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #286

speechless Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #254

I condemned the bad things some Sanders supporters said a LONG time ago. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #256

LOL! (If only!) NurseJackie Dec 2017 #261

;) sheshe2 Dec 2017 #323

You're confusing 'insinuation' and 'inference of questionable accuracy' again. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #272

I disagree strongly with your claims Gothmog Dec 2017 #284

So you SAY "Let's deal with 2018" but then you pop right on to refighting the primary. SMH. Squinch Dec 2017 #145

Reread. I said abuse was tossed from both sides. I said the primary is over. I said waiting .... marble falls Dec 2017 #150

. Squinch Dec 2017 #153

None so ignorant as the wilfully ignorant. I got better things to do. You keep on refighting 2016. marble falls Dec 2017 #157

Then do get on with them and stop refighting the primary. Squinch Dec 2017 #160

Look in the mirror. KTM Dec 2017 #178

I said nothing about the primary except to point out the rehash of it. I don't do the rehashes. Squinch Dec 2017 #183

Again, mirror. KTM Dec 2017 #185

Link to any post where I have rehashed. Squinch Dec 2017 #204

Reread my post. 'There was shit thrown by both sides. Get past it and start dealing with what we... marble falls Dec 2017 #332

No...the shit was aimed at Hillary by the left left (green riffraff), Republicans and Russians... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #331

I voted for Clinton and opposed her foreign policy. David__77 Dec 2017 #181

you think hillary's vote to attack iraq is insignificant? nt tomp Dec 2017 #189

She admitted she made a mistake. nycbos Dec 2017 #196

oh, please! tomp Dec 2017 #200

She got more flack then others because she is a women. nycbos Dec 2017 #223

Bulls**t. tomp Dec 2017 #240

"The left has a big problem with sexism"? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #245

maybe people were trying to tell her something that would have helped her win. yurbud Dec 2017 #296

I'm with you friend, another Democratic Socialist, proud Progressive here! LongTomH Dec 2017 #2

Thanks LTH guillaumeb Dec 2017 #5

Perhaps those hungry for real solutions sheshe2 Dec 2017 #24

Yes, and yes,and yes, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #40

Yet Democrats. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #50

We cannot win by chasing the same voters who happily vote for the GOP. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #59

In that case +1000 sheshe2 Dec 2017 #227

Agreed. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #263

Ok, that's the problem. What's the solution? ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #51

The GOP has successfully framed the narrative since 1980. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #61

But see what I'm getting at here? ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #74

We are losing seats for a variety of reasons. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #77

Good point ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #79

We've been losing seats (and states) rather consistantly since the mid-90's rpannier Dec 2017 #88

Thus my statement: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #203

I do not have the answers. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #80

So right you are. Thanks for pointing this out. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #121

Yes, it's up to us to make sure people vote. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #119

actions speak louder than words Fiendish Thingy Dec 2017 #132

Excellent observations. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #211

We talked about idealists vs pragmatists wasupaloopa Dec 2017 #55

An excellent distinction. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #69

Being an idealist radical noodle Dec 2017 #135

Wise words DeeDeeNY Dec 2017 #3

Thank YOU. oem guillaumeb Dec 2017 #6

+100 HopeAgain Dec 2017 #7

Thank YOU. oem guillaumeb Dec 2017 #8

Democrats: billh58 Dec 2017 #9

Agreed, but not all voters are as enthusiastic or informed guillaumeb Dec 2017 #12

The clear alternatives billh58 Dec 2017 #17

Your list is a Sanders' list George Eliot Dec 2017 #35

The Clinton that Reich is talking about in that article is Bill, not Hillary. lapucelle Dec 2017 #86

Not when 2 for the price of 1 is a offered as an asset. aikoaiko Dec 2017 #224

This characterization of the clintons is bogus. tomp Dec 2017 #253

Some prefer to rely on data and professional analytics lapucelle Dec 2017 #259

Both parties are not at all the same. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #36

Wonder if people will respond ... seems anger and blame provoke responses over thoughtful posts George Eliot Dec 2017 #10

Anger and blame have their places, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #44

Odd response. Apathy due to what exactly? Who are these apathetic voters? George Eliot Dec 2017 #63

The young voted in large numbers for Sanders, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #66

Reagann democrats mdbl Dec 2017 #83

Or a recognition that the Democratic Party is not of one mind on everything. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #202

Collectively, it would be nice if we found common ground again mdbl Dec 2017 #270

No, it's not FDR policy. It's the wing of the party that has one issue and that takes its ball Squinch Dec 2017 #106

+1 emulatorloo Dec 2017 #130

+1 betsuni Dec 2017 #140

Your response is inflammatory and I can't figure out what that "ball" is... George Eliot Dec 2017 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Dec 2017 #158

Everyone who advocated not voting for Clinton is to blame greeny2323 Dec 2017 #11

And the 48% who did not vote? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #13

We blame them for listening to the a-holes saying not to vote for Clinton too Steven Maurer Dec 2017 #250

Simplistic thinking. How explain the Trump win when so many Republicans advocated not voting Trump? George Eliot Dec 2017 #15

Not after the primary was over. Once Trump(R) was the candidate, they did what Squinch Dec 2017 #143

personal insult? Let me know what you regard as an insult please George Eliot Dec 2017 #151

If you don't know when you are insulting people, that's yours to fix, not mine. Squinch Dec 2017 #155

Ah... George Eliot Dec 2017 #171

Tom Perez is working to reach out to them. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #14

Perez is wrong person to reach out. He is exactly what blue collar voted against. Do your hw. George Eliot Dec 2017 #16

. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #18

Yes. Kicking, screaming and tantrums trump reading & info every time. George Eliot Dec 2017 #23

You know this makes no sense whatsoever, right? Squinch Dec 2017 #144

what? that little cartoon kicking and screaming? haha George Eliot Dec 2017 #148

No, I get it fine. It's just that you, superior though you think you are, are making no sense. Squinch Dec 2017 #149

You are too emotional to see it. Reason is futile when emotions take over. George Eliot Dec 2017 #159

I see you George. I know. Your slip has fallen. Squinch Dec 2017 #161

??? George Eliot Dec 2017 #164

This is complicated. Squinch Dec 2017 #165

Seriously. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #167

It's actually a tactic used very consistently. Squinch Dec 2017 #170

whatever could THAT mean? it means lots of RWNJ's and russian trolls. stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #177

Ayup. Squinch Dec 2017 #182

Quite the contrary. I hope people read it. It expresses the disappointment in the current policies George Eliot Dec 2017 #174

I think that is an ROFL icon. lapucelle Dec 2017 #268

This message was self-deleted by its author George Eliot Dec 2017 #20

What blue collar? mcar Dec 2017 #54

The racists. They don't like Perez- shocking! bettyellen Dec 2017 #216

Make that Old white men. Wwcd Dec 2017 #305

You clearly know nothing about Tom Perez emulatorloo Dec 2017 #131

fail... stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #176

"He is exactly what blue collar voted against" - yeah they loved "The Wall" and hated DACA- bettyellen Dec 2017 #215

Your position is also clear. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #45

Thanks - too many purposefully deaf . bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #97

I was stating the obvious. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #168

You were obviously framing. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #207

Those who judge will never understand and those who understand will never judge George Eliot Dec 2017 #175

Why did 48% of eligible, registered voters decide to not vote in 2016? OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #19

You can do better. George Eliot Dec 2017 #25

Not for this crowd. OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #31

This was the first presidential election since the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. lapucelle Dec 2017 #328

Thanks from an FDR Democrat! George Eliot Dec 2017 #21

Thank you thank you! DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #26

THANKS, guill! elleng Dec 2017 #27

You are welcome. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #47

Exactly. elleng Dec 2017 #57

Because they never do. applegrove Dec 2017 #28

But why? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #48

They are made to feel apathetic by not having their issues solved. But applegrove Dec 2017 #75

True. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #78

Agreed and thank you. MuseRider Dec 2017 #30

+1 George Eliot Dec 2017 #37

This! Lunabell Dec 2017 #32

Me, too. BadgerMom Dec 2017 #42

I also voted for Hillary Lunabell Dec 2017 #46

what A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2017 #33

It's not easy for some folks to take off work oberliner Dec 2017 #34

True. There are many reasons. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #49

Voting should be made as easy as possible oberliner Dec 2017 #112

Agreed rpannier Dec 2017 #127

I agree that we need to get more people out to the polls and motivated. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #38

That question is asked after every loss Progressive dog Dec 2017 #41

Well said. They are a very self-important group, the far left, assuming that they, and only... NNadir Dec 2017 #62

You beat me to it. OP doesnt realize that they are part of the problem stevenleser Dec 2017 #111

+1 chwaliszewski Dec 2017 #53

Too damn much squabbling here, folks. elleng Dec 2017 #56

Probably the same reason they didn't vote for decades previously... brooklynite Dec 2017 #58

While true GaryCnf Dec 2017 #114

Oh please Cary Dec 2017 #60

Illustrative of the issue that I attempted to address. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #65

Yawn. Cary Dec 2017 #108

Yawn if you will, as Democrats lose seats. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #206

So you're claiming superiority? Cary Dec 2017 #210

You are entitled to your opinion. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #217

Gee, thanks Cary Dec 2017 #235

What you call reality is your opinion of what constitutes reality. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #264

I'm correct. Cary Dec 2017 #269

I understand your viewpoint. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #274

My motivation is to defeat Republicans and elect Democrats Cary Dec 2017 #276

👍 OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #68

What's wrong with incremental solutions? Tavarious Jackson Dec 2017 #64

FDR pursued large change. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #72

It was a different time Tavarious Jackson Dec 2017 #82

I agree with you. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #205

Large change in limited sectors lapucelle Dec 2017 #93

FDR was able to pursue "large change" thucythucy Dec 2017 #98

The country was in different shape then and those who benefited were mostly white JI7 Dec 2017 #103

I'm fine with your targeting idea rpannier Dec 2017 #91

I see the opposite happening Tavarious Jackson Dec 2017 #95

Part of that 48% was people who thought Hillary would win because she was "inevitable." Tatiana Dec 2017 #67

Recommended. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #73

That, and "what can we do about voter suppression?" Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #71

True. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #76

Agreed. Voter suppression plus misrepresentation via the Electoral College stuffmatters Dec 2017 #262

I agree but that will require change in the policies/priorities of the party. George Eliot Dec 2017 #81

Imagine that I don't care why they didn't vote leftofcool Dec 2017 #84

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #87

Voter turnout in 2016 was 60%. Other than 2008 (61.6) and 2004 (60.1) we haven't had a Presidential seaglass Dec 2017 #90

The term far left is a right wing meme. Scruffy1 Dec 2017 #96

Yup. zentrum Dec 2017 #100

+1 leftstreet Dec 2017 #113

+1 CNN debate had Cruz calling Sanders "socialist" as often as he could fit it in. George Eliot Dec 2017 #152

+1000 LongTomH Dec 2017 #201

Keith Ellison zentrum Dec 2017 #99

Why don't those who complain and attack the democratic party get those votes ? JI7 Dec 2017 #101

Excellent question. Squinch Dec 2017 #105

Did it occur to you that those who are green are pretty smart people and knew that if they George Eliot Dec 2017 #169

Thank you from this lefty. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #102

Voting rickyhall Dec 2017 #107

Thank you! denvine Dec 2017 #109

Imagine all the people... Snackshack Dec 2017 #115

Very true. Far easier to blame than to fix. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #214

Fairly simple really... Adrahil Dec 2017 #116

I could consider myself 'far left' - about as far left as you can go. Stonepounder Dec 2017 #118

You are saying both parties are the same. You are saying that today, in this moment, Squinch Dec 2017 #146

That's interesting.The party has become the party of professionals. At least that's the slant I've George Eliot Dec 2017 #172

Sounds good on paper NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #123

Good thread. I really felt Hillary would win, and I wasn't thrilled.. mvd Dec 2017 #125

I belong and support the DSA The_Casual_Observer Dec 2017 #126

Right on! caraher Dec 2017 #128

I think real liberal candidate will win. Not some "progressive", or just enough to not brewens Dec 2017 #129

Single payer and economic justice do not make a "real liberal." A REAL liberal Squinch Dec 2017 #147

Arguing for the sake of arguing. Racial justice and gender justice depend on economic justice. George Eliot Dec 2017 #162

I'm all for that too. If a candidate does not want single payer and economic justice. I'm brewens Dec 2017 #179

And if a candidate does not equally prioritize racial and gender justice, I'm not interested. Squinch Dec 2017 #184

RW myth. In fact, Nov. '16 turnout broke records. In CA it was 75.27%. ucrdem Dec 2017 #133

Thank you. Trump did motivate a group of people that were looking for economic help. Many were dems George Eliot Dec 2017 #163

Yes, that was semi-official meme 2.0, after the low-turnout meme was exposed. ucrdem Dec 2017 #197

Do you have evidence for that? I can believe it but would like to see some evidence. George Eliot Dec 2017 #246

Screen-shots: Wisconsin vote totals don't match ballots cast ucrdem Dec 2017 #258

This assumes no voter depresion by the Republicans. joshcryer Dec 2017 #137

nah I'm good critiquing forces which only serve to further supress votes, or lead to bad outcomes JHan Dec 2017 #138

+1 betsuni Dec 2017 #141

Imagine you have malcontents on the left blaming Democrats for the passage of the tax bill. JHan Dec 2017 #241

Bravo! jimlup Dec 2017 #139

What happened JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #156

First off GaryCnf Dec 2017 #257

One more thing GaryCnf Dec 2017 #260

The far left provides the same results as the far right. democratisphere Dec 2017 #166

How could the Democratic Party fix that? George Eliot Dec 2017 #173

"why the 48% of non-voters did not vote?" honest.abe Dec 2017 #187

Welcome to DU, and the discussion. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #218

My thoughts? You are 100% dead on KPN Dec 2017 #188

cross-posted from another thread: tomp Dec 2017 #191

Careful. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #198

i'm thoroughly familiar with such labeling.... tomp Dec 2017 #213

Want to solve the turnout issue? have another civil war or a mandatory draft.... Fresh_Start Dec 2017 #193

Essentially write off a large percentage of the electorate? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #219

I've said this all along. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #195

Many will never vote unless forced. xmas74 Dec 2017 #199

There's good evidence of why people don't vote... Sancho Dec 2017 #209

An excellent addition. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #212

I agree that the DNC, local Democratic candidates, etc. don't put election processes at the top. Sancho Dec 2017 #238

+1 Martin Eden Dec 2017 #249

A very large percentage of non-voters would vote Democratic if they did vote. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #221

You see. Blue_true Dec 2017 #225

Voter suppression through new and onerous ID laws, pnwmom Dec 2017 #228

none on this, this heaven05 Dec 2017 #232

+1 Me. Dec 2017 #234

thank you for this thread Locrian Dec 2017 #239

Many "lefty haters" are like a dog gnawing on a bone left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #242

"What if the Democratic Party could convince these apathetic non-voters to make a choice?" Martin Eden Dec 2017 #252

Excellent points. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #265

And acting upon it Martin Eden Dec 2017 #266

In my view, the Democratic Party, and Democratic voters guillaumeb Dec 2017 #273

Agreed Martin Eden Dec 2017 #283

Doesn't change the fact that the "far left" and 3rd party voters are an issue. Which they are. Lil Missy Dec 2017 #255

There have always been those who don't vote...if you are implying that it has to do with our message Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #271

So non-voters are unreachable? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #275

It depends. Some can't vote. Some are unreachable...and I think it is a waste of time to target them Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #295

I feel that we need to do both. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #299

We don't have the money...you ever notice how many people don't give to the DNC these days. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #327

What if the exreme lefties (they often admit they are), voted in a manner that didn't help Trump? BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #278

How do you define the extreme left, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #280

as I'd already said in the post above...they often call it themselves. BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #282

I asked 2 questions. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #298

your second question implies a premise that has no baring on a win or a loss BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #310

I disagree. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #336

Imagine if we solved problems rather than simply point at them LanternWaste Dec 2017 #279

Hundreds, thousands, of posts would have not been posted. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #281

Imagine if, instead of trying to divide and bicker on a web forum, that someone actually FSogol Dec 2017 #285

Imagine reading #281, located directly above at this time. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #300

The river flows both ways Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #291

Imagine reading #281, located above. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #301

Fair enough, and I do the same Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #333

Good for you, and what you do. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #338

I can ask that question and blame the idiots that voted for Stein Downtown Hound Dec 2017 #297

Vote in November and for a Democrat, NO MATTER WHAT. Any democrat on the ballot will do. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #302

And the first word is VOTE, and vote in every election. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #303

My recollection is people were pissed Obama didnt fix the entire health insurance problem in less Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #304

People expected President Obama to be a Superman, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #306

Imagine not blaiming the Democratic Party for all the damning one-liners the Kremlin told voters to Wwcd Dec 2017 #307

And imagine a media that was actually informative and unbiased. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #308

And imagine that media presenting a sound & solid policy platform from each candidate Wwcd Dec 2017 #312

True. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #337

Wow, the divisiveness he brings is what the Russians R B Garr Dec 2017 #322

This was the first presidential election since the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. lapucelle Dec 2017 #329

+1 betsuni Dec 2017 #330

An excellent response. And all part of the suppression of which I spoke. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #339

The demise of the Voting Rights Act and the Citizens United decision lapucelle Dec 2017 #343

You ignore the obvious. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #335

It is obvious if one accepts it as correct. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #340

Sounds like you're desperately trying to Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #341

It sounds to me as if you misread the post. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #342

Didn't misread your post. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #344

Yup. Stump speech one liners. The bull shit was deep & everyone jumped in the same pool Wwcd Dec 2017 #345