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31. NRA's hold
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:42 PM
Jul 2012

Thanks for posting Moyers. In Colorado, we know that reforming gun laws is the third rail in politics, especially in the West. We also know that Obama was right when he said bitter and frustrated citizens cling to their guns and religion. in the National Review today David Gelernter writes "A whole generation has been reared, in many parts of society, without the moral compass of biblical religion." Texan Repub Louie Gohmert immediately said "there is a connection between this incident and ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs." The biblical religion they refer to is not religion that tells us God hates violence, turn your swords into ploughshares, nor the peacemaking Jesus taught which would make us sons of God. It is the "American religion" that God and the Constitution demand violence and war. As long as our citizens hear and see these lies 24/7 there is little hope for reasonable discussion about gun laws or of breaking the NRA's sad hold on our citizens and their representatives.

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Bill Moyers frames this brilliantly. yellerpup Jul 2012 #1
Here's the video malaise Jul 2012 #2
Something interesting in the comments section of that video.. truth2power Jul 2012 #18
I did wonder malaise Jul 2012 #21
It's time to ban support of the NRA at DU. nt onehandle Jul 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #6
Gun culture in the cess pool claim that expansion of guns is "progressive" and they even go as far Hoyt Jul 2012 #22
Yet you spend so much time in that "cess pool" rl6214 Jul 2012 #37
Still keeping tabs on me while fondling your guns. Hoyt Jul 2012 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #40
Thanks. It's sad that society has to put up with this, not to mention their polluting DU. Hoyt Jul 2012 #43
"The best thing we can do is work toward getting that cesspool closed down" rl6214 Jul 2012 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #68
Why don't you answer the question Hoyt permatex Jul 2012 #51
Keeping tabs? Nope, just curious. rl6214 Jul 2012 #66
Agree!!! gopiscrap Jul 2012 #28
I disagree Patiod Jul 2012 #30
So why do *you* choose to wade in that "cess pool" on a regular basis? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #35
+2 nt Chorophyll Jul 2012 #7
i'd like to see that. barbtries Jul 2012 #8
Can we still support the RKBA and gun ownership in general? hack89 Jul 2012 #45
it's up to the mods. barbtries Jul 2012 #47
Because I am curious where you draw the line hack89 Jul 2012 #49
the fact that i wish barbtries Jul 2012 #60
I routinely defend the RKBA here without ever invoking the NRA hack89 Jul 2012 #61
did you read Jason Alexander's essay about this? barbtries Jul 2012 #62
There are so many other things out there to be scared of hack89 Jul 2012 #63
you didn't respond to one thing i said. barbtries Jul 2012 #65
Yes hack89 Jul 2012 #69
i am not scared barbtries Jul 2012 #70
Good - that makes two of us. Peace. tn hack89 Jul 2012 #71
Yes, as well as Wall St. raouldukelives Jul 2012 #10
Good point. ananda Jul 2012 #11
AMEN _ed_ Jul 2012 #16
I agree!!! gopiscrap Jul 2012 #27
No ban is necessary - your scintillating discussion of gun control is winning the day aikoaiko Jul 2012 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #42
Please don't confuse reasonable debate on gun control with your posts. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #48
No, the reasonable debate includes people who wish to restrict gun possession as well as.. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #50
Arguing with him is like arguing with a wall permatex Jul 2012 #53
bupkus is his name afterall. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #57
Right on cue permatex Jul 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #55
Oh would I love to tell the NRA where they can stick it. Initech Jul 2012 #34
I don't support the NRA Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #41
Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention rurallib Jul 2012 #4
Thank you for posting. myrna minx Jul 2012 #5
Thanks. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #9
he is completely right samsingh Jul 2012 #12
meantime back in Washington tooeyeten Jul 2012 #13
ID we don't need no stinking ID QUALITYCONTRoll Jul 2012 #14
You already need IDs to buy guns gejohnston Jul 2012 #15
for private sales also???? . . . . 40% of all gun sales DrDan Jul 2012 #20
You do in my state, or you will be going to prison obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #52
Maybe from a dealer you do, secondvariety Jul 2012 #23
Come on GE. You know a lot of guns get sold privately (back alleys) without checks or anything. Hoyt Jul 2012 #24
QFT ananda Jul 2012 #33
NRA Members are selfish fools _ed_ Jul 2012 #17
12 More People Died Ccarmona Jul 2012 #19
Blaming the NRA is missing the point. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #25
Great post. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #29
Feh. Moyers has been trying for decades to make up for being a hatchet man for LBJ. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #36
Back in 1968 people weren't as calloused and ready to shoot people. Hoyt Jul 2012 #39
Murder rate in 1968 = 6.9 per 100,000. Murder rate in 2010 = 4.8 hack89 Jul 2012 #46
I don't think Hoyt has ever gotten anything correct permatex Jul 2012 #54
Moyers > racists fearing some inevitable Helter Skelter and insane Navy washout who never saw combat MisterP Jul 2012 #26
NRA's hold locks Jul 2012 #31
WE NEED AN ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN NOW vanlandingham Jul 2012 #56
Correction permatex Jul 2012 #59
And his thousands of rounds of ammunition. He knew he was going to shoot a lot of people. AlinPA Jul 2012 #64
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