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magicarpet

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39. Correct - ProudLib72......

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 10:13 PM

Dec 2017

Allowing these treasonous Confederate Army soldiers and generals to be placed on a pedestal as heroes was a major mistake.

The Daughters of the Confederacy should have been told to shut the fuck up and sit down. No you can not perpetuate racial divisions, discord, and discrimination with your bogus hero statues. Those men were not heroes but treasonous murderers. What they did we should not be celebrating or memorializing. They should be shamed for what they did, what they fought for, and how many were killed for the unjust cause to preserve slavery.

This issue should have been put to rest long ago but these modern day KkK Fascist white supremacists now have the audacity to call this act of treason a "preservation of their heritage" issue.

Bullshit - it was raw racism then, it is raw racism now, and when ever they gather for their "heritage" confabs they march under the Confederate and Nazi flags where Nazi slogans and Nazi salutes are more common than not.

Alt-Right (Wingers) - get real - they are fucking Nazis and Fascists - PERIOD.

If that is their "heritage" - it is our obligation to humiliate them every chance we get, certainly not to honor them.

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Would the USA be better today if we had just let the South secede? [View all] Calculating Dec 2017 OP

Yes but... RainCaster Dec 2017 #1

No. The end of slavery was more than worth it... First Speaker Dec 2017 #2

A CSA could well have ended up an ally of the Axis powers DFW Dec 2017 #81

Best case would have been to win the War of 1812 and lose the Civil War. FarCenter Dec 2017 #3

Hell no! janx Dec 2017 #4

Word irisblue Dec 2017 #51

'what have they ever brought our country' melman Dec 2017 #5

Jazz and several good Democratic presidents, as well Hekate Dec 2017 #12

and hominy. ret5hd Dec 2017 #14

Eww!!!! LeftInTX Dec 2017 #41

You don't like hominy? janx Dec 2017 #53

Yes, it is one of the better foods with hominy LeftInTX Dec 2017 #71

many fine authors DrDan Dec 2017 #93

And, Stephen Colbert, Eartha Kitt, George Clooney, Ellen DeGeners, Oprah, GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #100

Faulkner, Thomas Wolfe, Tennessee Williams, Eudora Welty, Harper Lee . . . DrDan Dec 2017 #101

Well, having lived in the South for over 30 years, GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #102

been here 34 years . . . no intention of leaving DrDan Dec 2017 #103

Let's ask sarisataka Dec 2017 #6

Not for black people janterry Dec 2017 #7

The West Coast, too. TDale313 Dec 2017 #65

That's The Way I See It Too SeaDoo77 Dec 2017 #83

I see! HoustonDave Dec 2017 #163

It's an interesting question Yupster Dec 2017 #8

... demmiblue Dec 2017 #9

Not for enslaved black Americans it wouldn't.Just because morons begot morons who want to bring back Hekate Dec 2017 #10

Well, the North is much better because it gave us a fantastic president out of NYC dalton99a Dec 2017 #106

Point. And California gave us Richard Nixon. Pardon me while I barf Hekate Dec 2017 #109

and the vile demented asshole Reagan dalton99a Dec 2017 #111

For white Northerners, it would have been better. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #11

Wasn't slavery gonna die off anyway though? Calculating Dec 2017 #15

They sure gobble up California tax money. Leaches, they are. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #17

Hey Sophia, it is spelled leeches. cwydro Dec 2017 #50

I went to high school in the South. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #57

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #61

The bitterness is due to the backwardness of the Southerners I knew. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #68

I live in the South - have for the past 34 years DrDan Dec 2017 #113

Having lived among them. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #116

wow DrDan Dec 2017 #119

The South almost entirely votes Republican. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #121

The mountain states and midwest almost entirely vote Republican too ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #140

Wasn't always that way. The South is the center of the conservative Sophia4 Dec 2017 #141

So you think Idaho ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #143

They are all conservative, but not slave states, not racist. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #144

"Both apply" quickesst Dec 2017 #75

leachers -- things that leach, people that drain, filter, etc. people Sophia4 Dec 2017 #78

States like Alabama and Louisiana would love to leach the wealth from Sophia4 Dec 2017 #107

Look... quickesst Dec 2017 #122

Actually, I now live in California lived in Europe for years. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #125

Okay fair enough quickesst Dec 2017 #142

Fucking Nazi!!! Grammar Nazi, that is... madinmaryland Dec 2017 #132

That's far from clear Jim Lane Dec 2017 #85

Apartheid janterry Dec 2017 #90

why don't you look up how long apartheid actually lasted Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #161

is your intent to divide DUers with these offensive broad-brush posts? DrDan Dec 2017 #92

It would have lost its economic viability, but left the social and legal construct in place. Go Away Hekate Dec 2017 #110

You mean like the people in Wisconsin who voted Trump? delisen Dec 2017 #13

I have never seen, in the North, the kinds of shot-gun houses, the dire poverty Sophia4 Dec 2017 #79

OH,WI,PA and MI standingtall Dec 2017 #16

Stolen elections are not won.......OH,WI,PA and MI..... magicarpet Dec 2017 #29

This is why this Kris Kobach Fascist Pig...... magicarpet Dec 2017 #35

No ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #37

There's a difference between "voter fraud" and voter suppression Merlot Dec 2017 #46

There is election fraud too.... magicarpet Dec 2017 #60

The concept that slavery would've ended anyway is at best speculative. tirebiter Dec 2017 #18

Your question needs defining... dixiegrrrrl Dec 2017 #19

I have never ever seen an OP like this on DU like never before GusBob Dec 2017 #20

This is a silly question ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #21

No! ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #22

Correct - ProudLib72...... magicarpet Dec 2017 #39

Grant was following Lincoln's direction gladium et scutum Dec 2017 #123

I get the point of reconciliation ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #124

Appomattox was not a treaty gladium et scutum Dec 2017 #127

I edited that ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #146

You are correct in that respect gladium et scutum Dec 2017 #148

Broad-brush much? cry baby Dec 2017 #23

DAMN Im sick of this stuff! nolabear Dec 2017 #24

Music, food, literature, culture-- janx Dec 2017 #42

This is one of the ugliest threads I have seen on this site. What a shame. Tipperary Dec 2017 #56

the t-word comes to mind . . . DrDan Dec 2017 #94

It certainly does. Reading over this thread, I can see several who want to divide. Tipperary Dec 2017 #97

it can be ugly here at times. Folks who claim to be liberal/progressive making these statements are DrDan Dec 2017 #99

If we are speculating, I wish we had lost Revolutionary War, we'd have England's health system. n/t. Hoyt Dec 2017 #25

We should be cultivating southern Democrats, not insulting them. Sneederbunk Dec 2017 #26

what if d_r Dec 2017 #27

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. dawg Dec 2017 #28

This shit again... GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #30

I know, right? cwydro Dec 2017 #52

Yes. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #31

They would have joined back up with England. All that aristocratic privilege. jalan48 Dec 2017 #32

One might imagine moondust Dec 2017 #33

Fuck no! denbot Dec 2017 #34

Yep, them Southern Democrats were totally out of hand n/t Alea Dec 2017 #115

It wasnt them being democrats, it was the amoral inhumanity. denbot Dec 2017 #130

Sorry I triggered you Alea Dec 2017 #133

Im currently in the South, Midway GA. denbot Dec 2017 #139

Sir, it is changing. Alea Dec 2017 #150

That was both my hope and understanding. denbot Dec 2017 #154

Thanks denbot. I took no offense to anything you said. Alea Dec 2017 #158

Every political problem in the country today traces its roots back to Confederate political ideology LonePirate Dec 2017 #36

Oh bullshit! GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #43

Slavery is not a modern US problem but go ahead and take offense any way. LonePirate Dec 2017 #48

Good point. n/t janx Dec 2017 #64

No because I was born in Virginia (Appalachians) where there are no jobs to blueinredohio Dec 2017 #38

Well, I'm a Democrat from PA, so my answer might be a tad biased. WinkyDink Dec 2017 #40

Why? n/t janx Dec 2017 #55

Gee, hmm....Because I wouldn't live anywhere below the Mason-Dixon Line? WinkyDink Dec 2017 #86

Good thing PA was so enlightened ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #104

The last black America elected to Congress in the nineteenth century struggle4progress Dec 2017 #44

I think of stereotyping as a right wing go-to. I find it sad to see here. Tipperary Dec 2017 #58

If they wanted to secede, or currently want to... krispos42 Dec 2017 #45

What an awful post oberliner Dec 2017 #47

Agreed. janx Dec 2017 #54

Ah, a good old south-bashing thread. cwydro Dec 2017 #49

A little off point but the thing that confounds me the most: Cary Dec 2017 #59

My opinion of those who would allow secession matches those who want to secede. gordianot Dec 2017 #62

This again? mcar Dec 2017 #63

No DBoon Dec 2017 #66

So do we have to move Idaho, North Dakota etc.. down there nini Dec 2017 #67

YES!!!!!!! gopiscrap Dec 2017 #69

Lincoln was just too benevolent to them after we kicked their asses world wide wally Dec 2017 #70

Lincoln was dead before the war ended. Caliman73 Dec 2017 #73

What is it you are Calculating with your hit and run, pot stirring OP? Hekate Dec 2017 #72

Russian elehhhhna Dec 2017 #96

Name it. It stinks. Hekate Dec 2017 #108

I am with the majority. The answer is not No, but Hell No. Caliman73 Dec 2017 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Dec 2017 #76

The mistake was having a racist pig as Lincoln's VP MattP Dec 2017 #77

You mean the President gladium et scutum Dec 2017 #147

Presidents don't sign amendments and he campaignd against them MattP Dec 2017 #162

Thank, did not know that, gladium et scutum Dec 2017 #164

No, segregationist Woodrow Wilson, was the worst. former9thward Dec 2017 #149

no, especially not the black people who lived there. JI7 Dec 2017 #80

The important question is not what about then but what about Now. MarcA Dec 2017 #82

I was born in VA. MFM008 Dec 2017 #84

My best friend has deep, deep Southern roots... Hekate Dec 2017 #88

Disgusting question and insensitive as hell to boot. n/t Stand and Fight Dec 2017 #87

The USA should have been divided into at least 4-6 individual countries long ago. democratisphere Dec 2017 #89

No ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #137

you do know there are some us living in the south because we like it DrDan Dec 2017 #91

Fuck that. Just stop. elehhhhna Dec 2017 #95

These ignorant threads bashing the south always offend me Orrex Dec 2017 #98

Amen. Dr. Strange Dec 2017 #105

You might be my favorite Pennsylvanian OriginalGeek Dec 2017 #117

The ignorance is on you for thinking the entire South is to blame... cynatnite Dec 2017 #112

No, and please stop asking... Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #114

The blues would be foreign music. Rock, too. kwassa Dec 2017 #118

It's a bad question becuase asking it in and of itself Raine1967 Dec 2017 #120

Anyone who thinks this issue of racism and tribalism and stupidity by voters is Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #126

Better off if the US had lost the Revolution, honestly Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #128

Hey what happened to your old avatar? denbot Dec 2017 #155

Vanished along with Photobucket hosting! Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #156

Ouch denbot Dec 2017 #157

There is no "the South". guillaumeb Dec 2017 #129

Ask Chuck Thompson, he wrote the book on the subject Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #131

Its the land of e pluribus unum, at least that is what the Wizard said. bronxiteforever Dec 2017 #134

Disregarding slavery DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #135

What also would have worked GaryCnf Dec 2017 #136

No. The "greatness" of the USA is based on it's journey and promise. ecstatic Dec 2017 #138

It's unclear to me why ANYONE would think that permitting SLAVERY to continue... NurseJackie Dec 2017 #145

We would be better off if tapermaker Dec 2017 #151

Well, our African American citizens might think it was worth it dawg day Dec 2017 #152

Disneyworld would be in a different country. So no. It wouldn't be worth it. Kablooie Dec 2017 #153

I've seen this post way too many times here at DU in the last 14+ years ms liberty Dec 2017 #159

Western expansion would have put us in constant conflict with the CSA Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #160

"what have they ever brought our country? Ignorance, racism, anti-scientific thinking, etc." mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #165