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Jeff In Milwaukee

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33. Elsewhere on this board...

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:26 PM

Jul 2012

In an otherwise sane discussion, an individual share with me that he lives in a quiet neighborhood. Has deadbolt locks and a security system, but still feels the need for a 30-round clip for his semi-automatic rifle as a "Home Security Measure."

The people who scream the loudest about home security tend to be middle class, white suburban men, who are statistically the least likely persons in our society to EVER be the victims of crime. These same people who have never been the victim of a crime and studiously avoid high-crime neighborhoods are the same people telling us how they need the right to carry a concealed weapon.

It's fear. Nothing more.

Unless you live in a high crime neighborhood or have a high risk job, you really have no business packing.

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How does anyone reconcile the fact that innocent people are killed every day buy gun owners [View all] upaloopa Jul 2012 OP

For RWers, inanimate objects - like guns and corporations - have more rights than people. baldguy Jul 2012 #1

Are you talking about concealed carry? JeepJK556 Jul 2012 #2

Should we punish gun victims because of the obsessions of gun fetishists? nt valerief Jul 2012 #3

So a person JeepJK556 Jul 2012 #23

Wait til you see the ones who are obsessed with gun owners' penises... Ghost in the Machine Jul 2012 #79

Only problem is, he's clearly not talking about concealed carry Scootaloo Jul 2012 #4

I am talking about any gun carried any way. upaloopa Jul 2012 #8

I thought carrying a concealed weapon is already illegal. rateyes Jul 2012 #9

No, concealed carry is legal in most states.... soccer1 Jul 2012 #16

but u have to have a permit...right? rateyes Jul 2012 #27

In most states, yes. soccer1 Jul 2012 #55

Not in all states, but most of them ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #59

I am sick and tired of the talking points. We need to all join the conversation. upaloopa Jul 2012 #5

Ahhh, irony. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #6

Then quit using them ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #63

The real answer... StateApparatus Jul 2012 #7

Well said and welcome to DU AnOhioan Jul 2012 #11

Perfect response. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #13

Who is this "they"? Marengo Jul 2012 #75

Nicely stated. 99Forever Jul 2012 #17

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #24

What's bigotry about this exactly? rbixby Jul 2012 #29

Elsewhere on this board... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #33

I live in a high crime neighborhood rbixby Jul 2012 #36

And if you look at crime statistics.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #44

It is bigotry. JeepJK556 Jul 2012 #68

I was making a broad strokes generalization rbixby Jul 2012 #90

Is this true for ALL gun owners across the board? sav99 Jul 2012 #66

Are all gun owners "afraid of taxes, of blacks, of Mexicans, of gays of the future."? Marengo Jul 2012 #74

Good Slogan: Guns dont't Kill People, GUN OWNERS KILL PEOPLE! TNLib Jul 2012 #10

With guns. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #12

Well they do. And when tragedy happens they will rattle off a list of statistics telling you upaloopa Jul 2012 #15

I think you should start a new thread with this lunatica Jul 2012 #61

You have no right to feel safe. LAGC Jul 2012 #14

Way to prove the OP's point. 99Forever Jul 2012 #18

And yet not a single one of those things was in his post. n/t Daniel537 Jul 2012 #21

That was a direct C&P from the OP.. 99Forever Jul 2012 #50

+1 Daniel537 Jul 2012 #19

Have you ever read the latest rulings? The SCOTUS says we do have a right to reasonable upaloopa Jul 2012 #25

Ah yes, the good ole "no right to feel safe" argument! I was wondering when that filly would be CTyankee Jul 2012 #42

What's funny is, I've never seen anyone refute that basic argument, just the usual snark. LAGC Jul 2012 #48

Ah, excellent! The "police state" just got its nose in the tent. CTyankee Jul 2012 #52

Ah yes, more snark. LAGC Jul 2012 #58

Oh, dear, the people of New England know NOTHING about freedom and liberty. CTyankee Jul 2012 #65

New Hampshire is nice, though. LAGC Jul 2012 #72

NH IS nice! I have a niece there. She and her husband are lovely liberals... CTyankee Jul 2012 #78

I've thought about moving there someday. LAGC Jul 2012 #84

I have thought about moving to VT where I would feel right at home with Bernie Sanders CTyankee Jul 2012 #86

More people are killed by drivers daily. Exponentially more are killed by heart disease AKA McDonald Edweird Jul 2012 #20

So let's fucking accept gun violence because it ain't so bad! upaloopa Jul 2012 #22

As you so aptly point out, today, a day with such high emotions, guaranteeing low analysis, Lionessa Jul 2012 #39

It's the same as after 9-11, except now the fear mongering and rights abridgment is coming from Edweird Jul 2012 #49

Yes , I agree and I am really disappointed seeing those posts on this board. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #57

you think the law will stop a lunatic? hobbit709 Jul 2012 #26

Again, let's do nothing because we can't stop everything. upaloopa Jul 2012 #28

That is not true Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #43

I know! The answer is obviously MORE GUNS! NT rbixby Jul 2012 #30

wrong again! hobbit709 Jul 2012 #31

Sorry, I guess I should use the sarcasm thing more liberally rbixby Jul 2012 #37

So there are no lunatics in Canada? In Germany? Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #41

How about Norway? hobbit709 Jul 2012 #46

Oh dear.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #53

In Norway, the people love their guns for sport and hunting. But they love their well ordered CTyankee Jul 2012 #47

In fact... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #54

+1 freshwest Jul 2012 #76

If it makes it harder for lunatics to get guns treestar Jul 2012 #64

All you need is cash. You don't have to go to a gunstore. hobbit709 Jul 2012 #82

You have the right to restrict gun ownership and usage in your home and your place of business slackmaster Jul 2012 #32

Yes I do and the Supreme Court said so. upaloopa Jul 2012 #35

All nine members of the Supreme Court acknowledged that the 2A protects an individual right... slackmaster Jul 2012 #38

"buy" gun owners??? Lionessa Jul 2012 #34

I have some disabilities and I never get tired of the spell police and the grammer police pointing upaloopa Jul 2012 #40

Whatever you disabilities, probably not so much of an issue. Lionessa Jul 2012 #45

As your own typo reveals :-) REP Jul 2012 #70

Of course, and you missed the one in my title. sh/b your not you Lionessa Jul 2012 #71

Nah. Just thought it'd look mean to point them all out. REP Jul 2012 #80

Thats A broad Brush sav99 Jul 2012 #51

Not even the NRA says you can own guns of any type and can take them anywhere you want. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #56

Ever more difficult Psych exams for those possessing more weapons dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #60

How you feel and what you worry about is on you. DesMoinesDem Jul 2012 #62

How is fear of a person legally carrying a gun irrational? missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #69

The odds that you are shot with a legally purchased gun DesMoinesDem Jul 2012 #81

The same way I reconcile the fact that even more people are killed every day by car owners. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #67

I hear ya, makes things quite a bit simpler... Marengo Jul 2012 #73

The Standard Line. . . Stargleamer Jul 2012 #77

There are plenty of places were guns are prohibited 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #83

People are killed every day by drunk drivers, HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #85

Like anyone cares if you make ohheckyeah Jul 2012 #87

How does one reconcile any other false or mostly false assertion? beevul Jul 2012 #88

Duplicate. N/T beevul Jul 2012 #88

I have no issue with business posting signs saying "no firearms" Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #91