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Atypical Liberal

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125. This is why the founders said "arms".

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:32 PM

Jul 2012

They did not say, "muzzle-loading smoothbore muskets".

The intent of the second amendment was to have a citizenry armed with military-grade small arms appropriate for infantry use. The reason for this was to counter federal military power. This is why they perpetuated a decentralized military system rather than one unified under the federal government.

Today, weapons like the AK-47 and the AR15 are appropriate small arms appropriate for infantry use.

Just as our rights to free speech are not limited to 18th-century printing presses, and just as we are secure in our persons and free from unreasonable search and seizures in our automobiles and not just in carriages, the people's right to keep and bear arms does not just apply to 18th-century arms.

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"100 round drum magazine" at the scene... [View all] Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 OP

Wow, I thought these went out with the Chicago mob era rocktivity Jul 2012 #1

The man doing the press conference right now Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #4

WTF?? DCBob Jul 2012 #7

"how on earth is this legal???" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #10

exactly, with lots of money and lots of lobbying. robinlynne Jul 2012 #26

And don't forgot - lots of stupidity. baldguy Jul 2012 #43

I wish it were stupidty. i'm afraid it' actually evil, or something like that. robinlynne Jul 2012 #48

I'm positive it's evil. ellisonz Jul 2012 #94

Why wouldn't it be legal? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #12

So.. to regulate magazine capacity that would violate gun lovers second amendment rights. DCBob Jul 2012 #16

that's what they say. robinlynne Jul 2012 #27

Right now it is left to the states Marrah_G Jul 2012 #28

Not in the vast majority of states, though. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #36

Hoping to change that soccer1 Jul 2012 #41

Don't get your hopes up too high. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #74

an occasional massacre is just the price we need to pay for our 2nd amendment liberties DBoon Jul 2012 #82

You're supporting the "right" to own a hundred round magazine? ellisonz Jul 2012 #95

Absolutely. Perfectly legal in 45 out of 50 states. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #97

The fact that it is legal or that it will be difficult to make it illegal... DCBob Jul 2012 #103

I agree. Whether or not it *should* be legal is simply a matter of opinion. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #106

Which is an opinion that... DCBob Jul 2012 #108

The legislatures of 45 out of 50 states disagree with you. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #116

Do you base all your opinions on how the majority of legislatures vote? DCBob Jul 2012 #119

Not all. It simply struck me as odd that your characterization of people as not being Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #124

Then again, we are speaking of politicians, mzteris Jul 2012 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Jul 2012 #118

You could be correct.... soccer1 Jul 2012 #123

It's only illegal in five states. Fawke Em Jul 2012 #72

My point was that a 100 round drum is *not* illegal in the vast majority of states. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #75

I'm sorry. I must have misread your post. Fawke Em Jul 2012 #93

No big deal. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #98

so that means DonCoquixote Jul 2012 #132

I know, and I do find that troubling Marrah_G Jul 2012 #104

The Brady Campaign gives Vermont only 6 out of 100 points on their scale. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #107

Yup. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #34

Hunters live with it, in most juristictions.n/t Mopar151 Jul 2012 #90

And that is the problem. Fuck gun fuckers. morningfog Jul 2012 #37

Don't be so reserved, tell us how you really feel! Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #39

Believe it or not... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #40

Gun ownership is at an all time high in the U.S. soccer1 Jul 2012 #44

Maybe.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #101

The internet is doing a brisk business.... Nay Jul 2012 #105

I still think it should be harder to get a gun than it is to get an abortion. calimary Jul 2012 #70

You'd think. Hoyt Jul 2012 #85

Walmart, Sports Authority, BassPro Shops, etc, etc, etc... bluedigger Jul 2012 #91

try not to use so much brain power in your response..... n/t Moltisanti Jul 2012 #102

I have little sympathy for those who fuck guns. morningfog Jul 2012 #109

Lots of things are legal, but immoral and bad for society. Hoyt Jul 2012 #84

I'm reminded of Mitt going into that store playing gangster.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #8

I hope they hunker down in their own bunker. nt DURHAM D Jul 2012 #2

Hey! They are posting pictures of you in the Lounge... madinmaryland Jul 2012 #3

ROFL!! Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #5

When abc first went there my bs detector went off nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #6

Just checked MSNBC.com as I didn't catch the name. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #9

This is, well should be, shocking nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #11

How does anyone order that on the internet? n/t malaise Jul 2012 #13

Sadly easily nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #15

Not quite right. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #21

Well they still have no place in civilian hands nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #24

You're correct that they won't be banned for the foreseeable future. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #38

Just curios nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #45

You do realize that most gun owners don't hunt, right? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #49

So what do you use that for? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #58

The AR is a military platform. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #65

They need it in case ghetto residents riot and try to burn down their house DBoon Jul 2012 #83

I almost never hunt. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #62

So translation nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #68

People don't "need" Corvettes, either...but it's none of my (or your) business if they choose to own Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #73

And if we decide to ban import of automobiles with under 25 MPG highway? Scootaloo Jul 2012 #77

Since corvettes are domestically produced...N/T beevul Jul 2012 #99

Why on Earth would we? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #100

Well, last time I checked the vette was not designed to kill nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #78

The vette wasn't but this motherfucker was snooper2 Jul 2012 #87

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #88

They really don't work ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #59

I am betting it jammed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #64

I agree ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #79

So what would be your weapon of choice for a mass shooting? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #80

So when did you stop beating your wife? bayareaboy Jul 2012 #113

Given I am the wife nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #114

I will look for several folks ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #115

By going to Gunbroker.com and paying for it. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #17

like this lapfog_1 Jul 2012 #66

For this one, I'll claim citizenship in Missouri... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #14

beta mag 234 bucks....kinda spendy ileus Jul 2012 #18

But we are supposed to believe that he was despondent Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #20

When I go pheasant hunting, I need a partner to help feed in the ammo alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #19

I think this is how we look to the rest of the world flamingdem Jul 2012 #22

You mean, you have not gone full Monty nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #25

Still saving up for that alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #67

Gene Krupa, Elvin Jones, and Ginger Baker are not amused. longship Jul 2012 #23

Well then... Marinedem Jul 2012 #29

I'm a deer hunter... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #35

Yes, for you that is fine. Marinedem Jul 2012 #42

Your weakest argument is your strongest argument.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #46

I have no intention of using all 30 rounds. Marinedem Jul 2012 #50

I've always found that..... rppper Jul 2012 #86

I like the cut of your jib sailor, newblewtoo Jul 2012 #130

The .45 and the enfield.... rppper Jul 2012 #135

So why do police officers carry "high capacity" magazines? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #52

Just a question..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #47

No, but the purpose of the second amendment is to own weapons suitable for warfare. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #51

I understand, but.... soccer1 Jul 2012 #111

This is why the founders said "arms". Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #125

Nonetheless..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #127

And they are. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #129

The states do have leeway..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #131

Not much. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #136

I'm not sure how much leeway the states have..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #137

The states have been losing ground on this issue for decades. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #138

The Heller SC decision basically said that the Fed govt and states can not take away the right to soccer1 Jul 2012 #139

We'll see. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #140

Yes, I know. The tide will turn. It always does. Patience. soccer1 Jul 2012 #141

Probably not in your lifetime. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #143

No, probably not in my lifetime soccer1 Jul 2012 #144

Not at all. Marinedem Jul 2012 #57

Okay, but.... soccer1 Jul 2012 #110

Hahahahahaha. tabasco Jul 2012 #56

Yep. That's me. Big ole fraidy cat. Marinedem Jul 2012 #61

I really get a kick out of the old standby. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #81

Magazines? Sorry, I thought this thread was about drums. longship Jul 2012 #55

No need to be intentionally obtuse. Marinedem Jul 2012 #63

Touch�! longship Jul 2012 #76

Then you're supporting the right of this asshole to buy a whatever the fuck you want to call it? ellisonz Jul 2012 #96

Gene Krupa, Tony Williams, John Blackwell, and HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #69

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jul 2012 #30

Change NRA to MME aquart Jul 2012 #31

The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 with 10 and 15 round magazines. Edweird Jul 2012 #32

You would have to ask him. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #33

I dont think Go Vols Jul 2012 #53

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #128

our freedumbs is very important Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #54

+1 Go Vols Jul 2012 #60

Hunting Forgot username Jul 2012 #71

LOL... fascisthunter Jul 2012 #89

Unreliable, awkward, and pretty much a waste of money to any serious recreational shooter. bluedigger Jul 2012 #92

Anyone supporting a 100 round magazine should be thrown out of here like the garbage they are DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #112

I support the right to own a 100 round magazine. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #117

I think you've got it figured out DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #133

+1000000 Tsiyu Jul 2012 #120

Let's hear it for rational discourse! Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #121

You betcha Tsiyu Jul 2012 #122

But what if the Russians invade? bvar22 Jul 2012 #134

That movie is genius flamingdem Jul 2012 #142