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karynnj

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126. The source the amount and the timing were different

Mon Dec 4, 2017, 04:05 PM

Dec 2017

One reason that "men" weren't criticized is that there are no comparable examples of someone likely to become President getting huge dollars for speeches. First off, if they are in Congress - they can not accept money for speeches. You can also eliminate VP Gore, as he did not give paid speeches as VP.

That eliminates all of the Democratic nominees going back to Dukakis. I admit I have no idea if Dukakis, while Governor of Massachusetts gave paid speeches.

Personally, I would refrain from arguing sexism on anything where I could not find a clear example to support it. My reason is that I think there is sexism and I think that claiming it when there might be a reasonable explanation of a different cause, makes it harder to get people to listen when the cause is really sexism.

Not to mention, arguing that it was just sexism that led to Clinton's defeat (even with 3 million more votes) harms other women in their runs. Therefore arguing "sexism" also works against women.

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MSNBC Host Joy Reid Wrote Numerous Anti-Gay Articles on Her Old Blog [View all] Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 OP

There was a thread on this earlier... tenderfoot Dec 2017 #1

Yes. Which is why I referred to it as a critical thinking exercise underthematrix Dec 2017 #5

Greenwald is running with it... tenderfoot Dec 2017 #6

And we know that Greenwald is connected to Putin. yardwork Dec 2017 #9

We're responsible for our own stupidity and our willingness to be manipulated. underthematrix Dec 2017 #10

yes, he is a tool. BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #89

2017 - the year most of us finally were convinced Greenwald is a tool. populistdriven Dec 2017 #105

And the original poster this morning sensibly self-deleted it. George II Dec 2017 #8

Did that person write the blogs? melman Dec 2017 #16

lulz tenderfoot Dec 2017 #18

Does Charlie Crist have the ultimate power of absolution? melman Dec 2017 #20

I guess it's ok if a gay or perceived gay kid gets beat up or bullied because some media hack... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #22

Of course melman Dec 2017 #28

Oh come on ...this is so transparent. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #56

+1 SunSeeker Dec 2017 #99

You seem to be very invested in this. Joy has apologized to Crist and the LGBT community. Tipperary Dec 2017 #70

They are after Joy because of her comments on Sen. Sanders. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #78

I doubt that is the motivation - they are likely parsing everything said by prominent Democrats karynnj Dec 2017 #84

Will you apply these same purity standards to Bernie R B Garr Dec 2017 #90

If you give me a link where either says that, I will say that it is wrong karynnj Dec 2017 #93

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #97

Yep. nt SunSeeker Dec 2017 #100

Invested? melman Dec 2017 #112

LOL. Think of this post as a critical thinking exercise underthematrix Dec 2017 #2

Joy said something mean about Bernie so Russian trolls go after her. yardwork Dec 2017 #3

That's a very insightful observation. Thanks for sharing it. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #11

Smear campaign by the left being posted on DU? She's apologized.. HipChick Dec 2017 #24

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #32

Yup eom Arazi Dec 2017 #46

You're being played. yardwork Dec 2017 #66

Joy Reid brought up a Bernie Sanders essay from 1972 as evidence of his misogyny! Arazi Dec 2017 #87

Yup. Joy is and has been an attack KPN Dec 2017 #103

+1000. This is why that side lost. The mean spirited hit jobs ecstatic Dec 2017 #12

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### NurseJackie Dec 2017 #73

Yes. +1000 Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #77

Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #14

Yes, a gazillion times yes. R B Garr Dec 2017 #23

Nailed it. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #50

+1000 stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #53

That is it...and it makes me feel slightly ill to see folks fall for it. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #61

Bullshit alarimer Dec 2017 #81

How exactly does this point to collusion between my Senator and Putin? karynnj Dec 2017 #86

By your own standards, Bernie and Jane should also R B Garr Dec 2017 #92

It is crazy to claim that Republicans would not speak of HRC giving paid speeches to WS karynnj Dec 2017 #95

HRC did not give speeches to "Wall Street." SunSeeker Dec 2017 #120

that is your opinion karynnj Dec 2017 #121

Would you admit criticizing Hillary for giving paid speeches is sexist? SunSeeker Dec 2017 #122

No, because a MAN likely to be the next President making those same speeches karynnj Dec 2017 #123

Men were never ripped for paid speeches in the past. Funny that. nt SunSeeker Dec 2017 #124

The source the amount and the timing were different karynnj Dec 2017 #126

How dare a woman get paid more for speeches than some men! SunSeeker Dec 2017 #127

What a strange interpretation of what I wrote karynnj Dec 2017 #129

My interpretation is correct. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #131

Your interpretation of what I wrote is more correct than mine? karynnj Dec 2017 #135

You're wrong, and I wish you'd put this same amount of energy criticizing Trump. nt SunSeeker Dec 2017 #136

I do -- and in fighting for action on combatting climate change -- and not just online karynnj Dec 2017 #137

You're the one who brought up Clinton and Sanders replying to an OP about Joy Reid. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #138

I responded to others that claimed that Reid was being attacked because she had criticized Sanders karynnj Dec 2017 #140

You were replying to the OP, which doesn't mention anything about Sanders (or Clinton). nt SunSeeker Dec 2017 #141

Look again - the sub thread starts with my response to Yardwork, speaking of Putin and Sanders. karynnj Dec 2017 #142

Yardwork did not bring up Clinton. You did. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #143

It is not a smear to say that she gave speeches to WS -- she did! Goldman Sachs is part of WS! karynnj Dec 2017 #147

No, she didn't. Why not say GS instead of WS? Why bring up Hillary AT ALL? SunSeeker Dec 2017 #148

So, Goldman Sachs is not a premier Wall Street Firm? karynnj Dec 2017 #149

Yardwork never brought up Hillary. Your Hillary smear is gratuitous, pointless. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #152

Joy Reid apologized to Charlie Crist, and he graciously and unequivocally accepted the apology. George II Dec 2017 #101

True, and that is very gracious of him and appropriate on her part, karynnj Dec 2017 #104

get over it Bernie is out of the picture. stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #163

Bernie would not be on my list if I were forced to list the three people I think would karynnj Dec 2017 #164

Yep. nt SunSeeker Dec 2017 #102

Everytime I respond this post gets pulled MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #4

No she didn't. George II Dec 2017 #7

Yeah huh. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #13

Oh yes she did melman Dec 2017 #15

Then why did she apologize???? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #17

You're overplaying this.... Adrahil Dec 2017 #33

More to the point, why didn't you run her apology? grantcart Dec 2017 #108

No dead horses were harmed during the making of this thread. oasis Dec 2017 #19

Interesting replies to this thread Lordquinton Dec 2017 #21

Breitbart clickbait that has no place here. jcmaine72 Dec 2017 #25

I agree. If we ever see it we should alert! Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #26

Crist accepted her sincere apology emulatorloo Dec 2017 #27

Why would I delete or correct? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #30

Because the spin you've chosen is unbecoming of a DUer. nt greyl Dec 2017 #43

It's not spin. Not "fake news." Those are the words... SMC22307 Dec 2017 #44

The words aren't in dispute. nt greyl Dec 2017 #47

IKR? Where did this concept of being wrong on the internet come from? kcr Dec 2017 #48

To be fair, you should edit OP to include her sincere apology and Crist's acceptance of it emulatorloo Dec 2017 #83

Sorry but this is literally not even a blip on the radar with the shit storm that is Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #29

See how this works? peggysue2 Dec 2017 #94

people can change MFM008 Dec 2017 #31

Pointing GOP hipocracy is apropos. Lint Head Dec 2017 #34

I see the "attack minorities" playbook is still in effect. LexVegas Dec 2017 #35

Yes, Joy Reid attacked a minority group melman Dec 2017 #36

Her sin was to be perceived as attacking Sen. Sanders...and we know this...I have to say. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #63

I have no idea what this post is about melman Dec 2017 #110

Really...you do know the source of this? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #133

No melman Dec 2017 #145

Mediate dug it up and why do you think they did that? Joy actually criticized Sen. Sanders... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #154

This has nothing to do with any of that melman Dec 2017 #158

Yes...some years ago. If you want to help the right and green riffraff get rid of Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #162

''I shudder to think what would happen if shit I wrote years ago surfaced.'' melman Dec 2017 #174

I just wanted 'people to keep their sexuality in the bedroom (being gay)...don't flaunt it Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #179

Use it to both validate and advance a narrative. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #76

Get a kick? melman Dec 2017 #111

Ha! Excellent response. I wish I could rec your post. Tipperary Dec 2017 #125

Which minority? AA or LGBTQ? progressoid Dec 2017 #37

Why is it NOT okay that Joy Reid has EVOLVED TheDebbieDee Dec 2017 #38

She was not anti-gay, but was calling out a GOPer, R B Garr Dec 2017 #39

Thx for pointing out the troll angle - TheDebbieDee Dec 2017 #41

She flip-flopped on Bernie, too. And Hillary. SMC22307 Dec 2017 #45

I like Joy and know this is all about criticizing Sen. Sanders. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #57

She didnt flip flop on Hillary. Youre just trying to R B Garr Dec 2017 #85

yup lots of trolling going on. JHan Dec 2017 #51

She said numerous anti-Hillary things, too Nevernose Dec 2017 #40

So this means we can finally put to rest that Bernie's a misogynist based on a 1972 college essay Arazi Dec 2017 #117

Oh no, no, no.... that one will always be dredged up and drug around... Raster Dec 2017 #130

You're trying real hard with this one but I get your motivation. JHan Dec 2017 #42

When you read thread like this...I am more and more convinced that Sen. Sanders should not run in 20 Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #64

the current double teaming is expected. JHan Dec 2017 #71

so transparent. But self-defeating. It doesn't make anyone like Sen. Sanders more. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #75

There's a term called "Greenwalding" - JHan Dec 2017 #82

Yes! peggysue2 Dec 2017 #98

agreed. JHan Dec 2017 #113

I absolutely agree. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #134

Yes...he is a Putin dupe...the interesting thing is if he is in Putin's pocket, and I think he is... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #155

Senator Sanders has criticized Democrats. JHan Dec 2017 #160

And some like this guy? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #161

1000% agreed. Can't even imagine the un-healable division a run would cause BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #91

I don't see how we can survive another GOP win...I really don't. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #156

They can come back when the right has divested from all of their hate laced talking heads. Afromania Dec 2017 #52

#fakenews. stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #54

I will discount this because Greenwald is involved and the sin of Ms. Reid is she Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #55

im just not forwarding any of this samnsara Dec 2017 #58

more fratricide IADEMO2004 Dec 2017 #59

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #60

I cant imagine what backlash id get for the shit I wrote ten years ago MrScorpio Dec 2017 #62

She is being double teamed. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #65

Yep. This is the old gay vs. African American trick, too. yardwork Dec 2017 #67

By those that care for neither. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #69

Exactly right +1000 Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #79

Well.. that's another 5 minutes of reading I won't get back. Amimnoch Dec 2017 #68

There you go being reasonable. yardwork Dec 2017 #72

It is not a "crackpot conspiracy theory" obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #74

She said something "mean" in their eyes about Sen. Sanders. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #80

Breathlessly posting anti Joy articles as fast as they come out...ignores Trump BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #88

Joy said something mean about Bernie. Blue_true Dec 2017 #116

painfully obvious..and incredibly transparent BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #119

This doesn't diminish my love for Joy Reid. forgotmylogin Dec 2017 #96

This hurts me. saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #106

If true, then maybe she has evolved? Cary Dec 2017 #109

Nom nom nom maxsolomon Dec 2017 #107

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #114

This thread proves the idea... makokun Dec 2017 #115

BOOMMM, right on. nt Blue_true Dec 2017 #118

You are so right. nt Sienna86 Dec 2017 #128

Tell that to the children who just lost their health insurance. yardwork Dec 2017 #144

Yeah... who needs beliefs anyway as long as we get stuff... makokun Dec 2017 #166

dismissing affordable health insurance for children as "getting stuff" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #167

So basically the ends justify the means makokun Dec 2017 #168

No, it's nothing like that at all. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #171

You're conflating health insurance here with the topic of this thread makokun Dec 2017 #172

No, I'm not saying it can be ignored. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #175

Its not bullshit makokun Dec 2017 #176

You said providing health insurance for children is "getting stuff" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #178

Bullshit, she apologized he accepted fuck that "they're the same" shit uponit7771 Dec 2017 #150

You are missing the point makokun Dec 2017 #165

Is this our Red Guard period. Must we denounce everyone! delisen Dec 2017 #132

So the point of all of this is to... moda253 Dec 2017 #139

I love her. Sugarcoated Dec 2017 #146

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2017 #151

Funny how it's "distracting" and "unproductive" vi5 Dec 2017 #153

This makokun Dec 2017 #169

I Do Not See The Problem erpowers Dec 2017 #157

Are you fucking kidding me? Is this the young conservative Calab Ecarma? ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #159

Well, golly gee. Guess we better flush another liberal spokesman down the toilet. Paladin Dec 2017 #170

Are there not dozens of other people who could fill the void? makokun Dec 2017 #173

Get back to me after Roy Moore isn't a US senator, and trump isn't president. Paladin Dec 2017 #177

Fake news. Joe941 Dec 2017 #180