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Sophia4

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125. Actually, I now live in California lived in Europe for years.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:35 PM
Dec 2017

I'm happy to hear you say that the South is beginning to wise up, but it has been 50 some years since I lived there, and far too many Southerners still defend the Confederate flag and the statues of the military honchos who led them to defeat in the Civil War. My ancestors fought and died for the Union and against slavery in the Civil War. And too many Southerners, in their hearts, are still fighting that war.

It has been only 70 some years since WWII, but having lived in Germany and Austria, I can tell you that the Germans and Austrians have left their NAZI pasts behind to a far, far greater extent than Southerners have left their antebellum, slavery culture behind.

It's very sad.

I'm glad to see that very slow progress is being made. The South is holding the entire country back. And the Midwest and some Northern states are falling into the same conservative trap.

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Yes but... RainCaster Dec 2017 #1
No. The end of slavery was more than worth it... First Speaker Dec 2017 #2
A CSA could well have ended up an ally of the Axis powers DFW Dec 2017 #81
Best case would have been to win the War of 1812 and lose the Civil War. FarCenter Dec 2017 #3
Hell no! janx Dec 2017 #4
Word irisblue Dec 2017 #51
'what have they ever brought our country' melman Dec 2017 #5
Jazz and several good Democratic presidents, as well Hekate Dec 2017 #12
and hominy. ret5hd Dec 2017 #14
Eww!!!! LeftInTX Dec 2017 #41
You don't like hominy? janx Dec 2017 #53
Yes, it is one of the better foods with hominy LeftInTX Dec 2017 #71
many fine authors DrDan Dec 2017 #93
And, Stephen Colbert, Eartha Kitt, George Clooney, Ellen DeGeners, Oprah, GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #100
Faulkner, Thomas Wolfe, Tennessee Williams, Eudora Welty, Harper Lee . . . DrDan Dec 2017 #101
Well, having lived in the South for over 30 years, GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #102
been here 34 years . . . no intention of leaving DrDan Dec 2017 #103
Let's ask sarisataka Dec 2017 #6
Not for black people janterry Dec 2017 #7
The West Coast, too. TDale313 Dec 2017 #65
That's The Way I See It Too SeaDoo77 Dec 2017 #83
I see! HoustonDave Dec 2017 #163
It's an interesting question Yupster Dec 2017 #8
... demmiblue Dec 2017 #9
Not for enslaved black Americans it wouldn't.Just because morons begot morons who want to bring back Hekate Dec 2017 #10
Well, the North is much better because it gave us a fantastic president out of NYC dalton99a Dec 2017 #106
Point. And California gave us Richard Nixon. Pardon me while I barf Hekate Dec 2017 #109
and the vile demented asshole Reagan dalton99a Dec 2017 #111
For white Northerners, it would have been better. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #11
Wasn't slavery gonna die off anyway though? Calculating Dec 2017 #15
They sure gobble up California tax money. Leaches, they are. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #17
Hey Sophia, it is spelled leeches. cwydro Dec 2017 #50
I went to high school in the South. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #57
Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #61
The bitterness is due to the backwardness of the Southerners I knew. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #68
I live in the South - have for the past 34 years DrDan Dec 2017 #113
Having lived among them. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #116
wow DrDan Dec 2017 #119
The South almost entirely votes Republican. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #121
The mountain states and midwest almost entirely vote Republican too ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #140
Wasn't always that way. The South is the center of the conservative Sophia4 Dec 2017 #141
So you think Idaho ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #143
They are all conservative, but not slave states, not racist. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #144
"Both apply" quickesst Dec 2017 #75
leachers -- things that leach, people that drain, filter, etc. people Sophia4 Dec 2017 #78
States like Alabama and Louisiana would love to leach the wealth from Sophia4 Dec 2017 #107
Look... quickesst Dec 2017 #122
Actually, I now live in California lived in Europe for years. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #125
Okay fair enough quickesst Dec 2017 #142
Fucking Nazi!!! Grammar Nazi, that is... madinmaryland Dec 2017 #132
That's far from clear Jim Lane Dec 2017 #85
Apartheid janterry Dec 2017 #90
why don't you look up how long apartheid actually lasted Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #161
is your intent to divide DUers with these offensive broad-brush posts? DrDan Dec 2017 #92
It would have lost its economic viability, but left the social and legal construct in place. Go Away Hekate Dec 2017 #110
You mean like the people in Wisconsin who voted Trump? delisen Dec 2017 #13
I have never seen, in the North, the kinds of shot-gun houses, the dire poverty Sophia4 Dec 2017 #79
OH,WI,PA and MI standingtall Dec 2017 #16
Stolen elections are not won.......OH,WI,PA and MI..... magicarpet Dec 2017 #29
This is why this Kris Kobach Fascist Pig...... magicarpet Dec 2017 #35
No ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #37
There's a difference between "voter fraud" and voter suppression Merlot Dec 2017 #46
There is election fraud too.... magicarpet Dec 2017 #60
The concept that slavery would've ended anyway is at best speculative. tirebiter Dec 2017 #18
Your question needs defining... dixiegrrrrl Dec 2017 #19
I have never ever seen an OP like this on DU like never before GusBob Dec 2017 #20
This is a silly question ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #21
No! ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #22
Correct - ProudLib72...... magicarpet Dec 2017 #39
Grant was following Lincoln's direction gladium et scutum Dec 2017 #123
I get the point of reconciliation ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #124
Appomattox was not a treaty gladium et scutum Dec 2017 #127
I edited that ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #146
You are correct in that respect gladium et scutum Dec 2017 #148
Broad-brush much? cry baby Dec 2017 #23
DAMN Im sick of this stuff! nolabear Dec 2017 #24
Music, food, literature, culture-- janx Dec 2017 #42
This is one of the ugliest threads I have seen on this site. What a shame. Tipperary Dec 2017 #56
the t-word comes to mind . . . DrDan Dec 2017 #94
It certainly does. Reading over this thread, I can see several who want to divide. Tipperary Dec 2017 #97
it can be ugly here at times. Folks who claim to be liberal/progressive making these statements are DrDan Dec 2017 #99
If we are speculating, I wish we had lost Revolutionary War, we'd have England's health system. n/t. Hoyt Dec 2017 #25
We should be cultivating southern Democrats, not insulting them. Sneederbunk Dec 2017 #26
what if d_r Dec 2017 #27
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. dawg Dec 2017 #28
This shit again... GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #30
I know, right? cwydro Dec 2017 #52
Yes. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #31
They would have joined back up with England. All that aristocratic privilege. jalan48 Dec 2017 #32
One might imagine moondust Dec 2017 #33
Fuck no! denbot Dec 2017 #34
Yep, them Southern Democrats were totally out of hand n/t Alea Dec 2017 #115
It wasnt them being democrats, it was the amoral inhumanity. denbot Dec 2017 #130
Sorry I triggered you Alea Dec 2017 #133
Im currently in the South, Midway GA. denbot Dec 2017 #139
Sir, it is changing. Alea Dec 2017 #150
That was both my hope and understanding. denbot Dec 2017 #154
Thanks denbot. I took no offense to anything you said. Alea Dec 2017 #158
Every political problem in the country today traces its roots back to Confederate political ideology LonePirate Dec 2017 #36
Oh bullshit! GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #43
Slavery is not a modern US problem but go ahead and take offense any way. LonePirate Dec 2017 #48
Good point. n/t janx Dec 2017 #64
No because I was born in Virginia (Appalachians) where there are no jobs to blueinredohio Dec 2017 #38
Well, I'm a Democrat from PA, so my answer might be a tad biased. WinkyDink Dec 2017 #40
Why? n/t janx Dec 2017 #55
Gee, hmm....Because I wouldn't live anywhere below the Mason-Dixon Line? WinkyDink Dec 2017 #86
Good thing PA was so enlightened ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #104
The last black America elected to Congress in the nineteenth century struggle4progress Dec 2017 #44
I think of stereotyping as a right wing go-to. I find it sad to see here. Tipperary Dec 2017 #58
If they wanted to secede, or currently want to... krispos42 Dec 2017 #45
What an awful post oberliner Dec 2017 #47
Agreed. janx Dec 2017 #54
Ah, a good old south-bashing thread. cwydro Dec 2017 #49
A little off point but the thing that confounds me the most: Cary Dec 2017 #59
My opinion of those who would allow secession matches those who want to secede. gordianot Dec 2017 #62
This again? mcar Dec 2017 #63
No DBoon Dec 2017 #66
So do we have to move Idaho, North Dakota etc.. down there nini Dec 2017 #67
YES!!!!!!! gopiscrap Dec 2017 #69
Lincoln was just too benevolent to them after we kicked their asses world wide wally Dec 2017 #70
Lincoln was dead before the war ended. Caliman73 Dec 2017 #73
What is it you are Calculating with your hit and run, pot stirring OP? Hekate Dec 2017 #72
Russian elehhhhna Dec 2017 #96
Name it. It stinks. Hekate Dec 2017 #108
I am with the majority. The answer is not No, but Hell No. Caliman73 Dec 2017 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Dec 2017 #76
The mistake was having a racist pig as Lincoln's VP MattP Dec 2017 #77
You mean the President gladium et scutum Dec 2017 #147
Presidents don't sign amendments and he campaignd against them MattP Dec 2017 #162
Thank, did not know that, gladium et scutum Dec 2017 #164
No, segregationist Woodrow Wilson, was the worst. former9thward Dec 2017 #149
no, especially not the black people who lived there. JI7 Dec 2017 #80
The important question is not what about then but what about Now. MarcA Dec 2017 #82
I was born in VA. MFM008 Dec 2017 #84
My best friend has deep, deep Southern roots... Hekate Dec 2017 #88
Disgusting question and insensitive as hell to boot. n/t Stand and Fight Dec 2017 #87
The USA should have been divided into at least 4-6 individual countries long ago. democratisphere Dec 2017 #89
No ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #137
you do know there are some us living in the south because we like it DrDan Dec 2017 #91
Fuck that. Just stop. elehhhhna Dec 2017 #95
These ignorant threads bashing the south always offend me Orrex Dec 2017 #98
Amen. Dr. Strange Dec 2017 #105
You might be my favorite Pennsylvanian OriginalGeek Dec 2017 #117
The ignorance is on you for thinking the entire South is to blame... cynatnite Dec 2017 #112
No, and please stop asking... Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #114
The blues would be foreign music. Rock, too. kwassa Dec 2017 #118
It's a bad question becuase asking it in and of itself Raine1967 Dec 2017 #120
Anyone who thinks this issue of racism and tribalism and stupidity by voters is Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #126
Better off if the US had lost the Revolution, honestly Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #128
Hey what happened to your old avatar? denbot Dec 2017 #155
Vanished along with Photobucket hosting! Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #156
Ouch denbot Dec 2017 #157
There is no "the South". guillaumeb Dec 2017 #129
Ask Chuck Thompson, he wrote the book on the subject Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #131
Its the land of e pluribus unum, at least that is what the Wizard said. bronxiteforever Dec 2017 #134
Disregarding slavery DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #135
What also would have worked GaryCnf Dec 2017 #136
No. The "greatness" of the USA is based on it's journey and promise. ecstatic Dec 2017 #138
It's unclear to me why ANYONE would think that permitting SLAVERY to continue... NurseJackie Dec 2017 #145
We would be better off if tapermaker Dec 2017 #151
Well, our African American citizens might think it was worth it dawg day Dec 2017 #152
Disneyworld would be in a different country. So no. It wouldn't be worth it. Kablooie Dec 2017 #153
I've seen this post way too many times here at DU in the last 14+ years ms liberty Dec 2017 #159
Western expansion would have put us in constant conflict with the CSA Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #160
"what have they ever brought our country? Ignorance, racism, anti-scientific thinking, etc." mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #165
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