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Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts) Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:28 PM Jul 2012

A message to those who wish to ban or restrict guns: Give up. [View all]

Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:49 PM - Edit history (1)

In the wake of the tragedy in Aurora, there has been post after post here in GD on the subject of guns and the NRA. About 90% of them can be summed up as follows:

How can those sorts of guns possibly be legal...ban them!
F--k the NRA!
Ban all assault weapons!
Shut down the Gungeon!
Consfiscate all semiautomatics!
F--k the NRA!

Etc.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for a wake-up call. No meaningful gun control is going to be passed this year. Or next year. Or any time in the foreseeable future. Support for gun ownership and concealed carry is at an all time high, with no end in sight. If anything, gun rights are going to be expanded, not restricted.

You can vent about the issue all you like. A good thing, I suppose, if it makes you feel better. You can even get more involved with gun control organizations such as the Brady Campaign and the VPC. Heck, if every person who's advocted for more gun control on DU gave them their support they might reach 1% of the membership and power of the NRA!

So...vent away. The issue will be off-topic in GD by next week, and you'll have to go to the Gungeon (ooh...scary!) if you want to speak on the subject..,so get your digs in while you can! Just don't fool yourself that anything you do or say on this topic is actually going to change anything in the Real World.

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A message to those who wish to ban or restrict guns: Give up. [View all] Johnny Rico Jul 2012 OP

Dear Johnny Rico. No. Pamela Troy Jul 2012 #1

I never said to "shut up", I said to "give up". Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #6

NO. Pamela Troy Jul 2012 #8

Because it's more realistic. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #16

Aaaah. Of course. Why bless your caring heart.. Pamela Troy Jul 2012 #19

Historically gun control issues have lead to defeats for the Democratic Party. I assume you care ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #47

You mean like FDR. Did he lose the 1936 nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #84

The defining one in California was Prop 15 and Tom Bradley in the 1982 general election ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #115

It was both nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #125

Right. When things just become intolerable for the high and mighty, they are finally changed. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #148

Registration and the banning of guns really helped in Chicago. former9thward Jul 2012 #328

+1 Joseph Harrolds Dec 2012 #388

No, he is not trying to "help" you, he is telling you that you are wasting your time. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #90

Every massacre like this Pamela Troy Jul 2012 #98

Uhm ok, Pamela, whatever you say. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #100

That's the best you could do? Pamela Troy Jul 2012 #103

Thats the best YOU could do? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #108

I've offered arguments. Pamela Troy Jul 2012 #119

Again, you tell yourself whatever you need to. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #124

I see. You got nothing. Pamela Troy Jul 2012 #128

Reality is everything. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #130

well, Pamela Troy choie Jul 2012 #356

Tually she's correct nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #106

Lets talk again in 6 months and see if reality has changed. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #112

Did I say six months? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #123

Ok, if you say so. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #127

So everything in us politics is static and we have no changes ever nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #131

No, nadin, not everything, just this thing. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #134

So 150 years from now the NRA will still be considered heroes? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #143

I cannot say that they are considered heroes right now, and I am not clairvoyant, so... cleanhippie Jul 2012 #144

Gun nuts consider the NRA to be heroes. They're fighting the good fight. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #235

And gun grabbers are not fighting the good fight. They are fighting the wrong fight. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #284

"Gun Grabbers" just doesn't have much sting to it. Certainly not as much as recent events. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #285

I think it does. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #287

"gun worshippers."? I don't know anyone who says that. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #288

Sure you do. Look around. Your fellow grabbers use it frequently. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #305

Where? Here? I'm from outside. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #345

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #349

Obviously.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #352

Uhm, ok. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #353

If someone you cared for was killed xmas74 Jul 2012 #295

So you truly believe this will not change? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #151

Current reality and political discourse suggests that gun ownership rights will continue to expand. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #155

I am pointing to you, which you have trouble comprehending nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #164

I understand what you are saying, I simply disagree with you. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #166

The arc of history is long nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #168

Perhaps. Only time will tell. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #171

That could have happened a while ago nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #176

Wait, what? I'M the one making personal attacks? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #181

Yes you have nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #188

Sigh. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #191

Notice the personal attack? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #195

Bwahahaha! cleanhippie Jul 2012 #199

You to nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #204

Thanks. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #207

The differnece in this case is as follows: bighart Jul 2012 #291

You might quote all you want nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #297

Please note that I am not advocating for gun rights. bighart Jul 2012 #331

And the last one, may still come. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #359

we've been fighting about abortion and payer in school for how long now? nebenaube Jul 2012 #260

And I guess we should cede the field nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #265

The problem, Nadine, The Doctor. Jul 2012 #138

That's part of the recipee indeed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #152

I hope you're right. The Doctor. Jul 2012 #163

Oh we will nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #165

That's a pretty bold prediction... zappaman Jul 2012 #169

I think responses like that only serve to give them the percieved satisfaction of having the cleanhippie Jul 2012 #183

I can agree with you. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #156

Hippie? Making excuses for the NRA? Cooley Hurd Jul 2012 #111

Bwahahahaha! Here comes the dishonesty we've come to know and love! cleanhippie Jul 2012 #116

Do you have anything to offer other than posturing? Pamela Troy Jul 2012 #122

Yep, its called reality. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #126

And I've responded to those people. At least they brought something to the table. Pamela Troy Jul 2012 #129

Bwahahahahaha! Your childish attempts at insult are funny. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #132

You again? Pamela Troy Jul 2012 #136

You again? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #139

That's the problem, they're not. Somebody has the data on one of these threads, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #219

Dear Johnny Rico...you must be in your glory today...you have been on movonne Jul 2012 #161

Please watch: snappyturtle Jul 2012 #189

So accepting the occasional massacre is just the cost of doing business? rbixby Jul 2012 #376

Give up? soccer1 Jul 2012 #33

Bravo!! Duppers Jul 2012 #110

I totally agree with your assessment. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #35

You're being kind of general here....... soccer1 Jul 2012 #272

Not only no, HELL, NO!!!! lastlib Jul 2012 #373

Sorry, I'll never give up advocating for the banning of jaysunb Jul 2012 #2

Even though you KNOW that will never happen? randome Jul 2012 #9

Exactly so. n/t Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #23

Evidently neither on symathy. lunatica Jul 2012 #25

'Sympathy'? You think I don't feel something for those who died? randome Jul 2012 #34

No, because if you're realistic about the issue of guns, The Doctor. Jul 2012 #135

I hope to God you don't live to regret not doing tblue Jul 2012 #253

+1 nt jaysunb Jul 2012 #262

So you are willing to disarm the weak and leave them to the mercy of the predators in our society ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #48

You misunderstand. The predators will also give up their weapons if a law is passed shadowrider Jul 2012 #85

No. treestar Jul 2012 #3

I will never unilaterally disarm to benefit the NRA. tblue Jul 2012 #256

Great advice: Give up, just at the moment this issue is gaining traction. Thanks for your concern. leveymg Jul 2012 #4

You bet, I'm terrified that Obama is going to take my guns away...not! Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #12

I'm not sure the issue is gaining traction Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #18

Precisely my point. n/t Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #21

You might want to explain what "Molon Labe" means. n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #81

We've seen an awful lot of this meme lately haven't we? CTyankee Jul 2012 #31

Gaining traction? I very much doubt it. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #44

Lets see in 6 months how much traction it really has ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #49

Gaining traction like slicks in a snow storm. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #65

If you think "DU is absolutely meaningless", why hang around here? leveymg Jul 2012 #79

I've asked that question many times Tsiyu Jul 2012 #186

"You know when you hear this sort of response, they're afraid something is about to change." cleanhippie Jul 2012 #93

rec rec rec... Cooley Hurd Jul 2012 #113

And every time a shooting like this happens, it's going to come up treestar Jul 2012 #280

Look at UK. No gun culture there. Panasonic Jul 2012 #5

Do you think there's the *slightest* chance that those numbnut politicians will enact UK-style Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #27

While the UK has a very low murder rate it isn't that low.. EX500rider Jul 2012 #174

Murders by gun Panasonic Jul 2012 #354

So its OK with you if they are murdered by stabbing? GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #380

I'm pretty much an agnostic on guns, don't care that much one way or the other.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #7

Bingo! kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #162

A message to Right Wingers: Fuck you. Son of Gob Jul 2012 #10

...and the apologists they rode in on Major Nikon Jul 2012 #88

Wow, that is the strongest argument yet! cleanhippie Jul 2012 #97

It wasn't intended to be an argument Major Nikon Jul 2012 #105

Ahh, I see. Glad I didn't mistake your post for something intelligent to say then. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #178

Frankly, it's no less valid than "give up" nt Pholus Jul 2012 #196

To be fair, JR's argument was much more substantial than "give up". cleanhippie Jul 2012 #201

Oh yes: Give up. It's hopeless but whine if you must. Pholus Jul 2012 #211

If you say so... cleanhippie Jul 2012 #213

Enlighten me o wise one: What was said substantially different than my summary? Pholus Jul 2012 #224

Well, that sure showed the Right Wingers. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #96

Aww, did hurt I your feewings? Son of Gob Jul 2012 #154

No, not at all. It find it hillarious when people who have nothing substantial to say feel the need cleanhippie Jul 2012 #158

Just as I thought Son of Gob Jul 2012 #167

Actually, I'm unsure you were thinking at all. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #170

I'm thinking you exposed yourself Son of Gob Jul 2012 #175

Youre on a roll, don't stop now. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #179

*sigh* nevermind. n/t KarenS Jul 2012 #11

No. myrna minx Jul 2012 #13

A message to the gun culture: you have blood on your hands. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #14

Do you really think that's going to make them give up their guns? randome Jul 2012 #17

No. But I think we have a responsibility to not be silent. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #26

Agree with you there. randome Jul 2012 #32

Or stop focusing on the sprees... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #51

I agree with you about the decriminalization aspect. randome Jul 2012 #57

Really? beevul Jul 2012 #252

Hey who knew Clayton Williams was a DU member Johonny Jul 2012 #15

Sure. Thanks for restoring my sanity. lunatica Jul 2012 #20

And the occasional horrific civilian massacre is just the price the rest of us have to pay. baldguy Jul 2012 #22

It's still not going to change anything. randome Jul 2012 #28

The only allowable option to be discussed is Moar Securiteh... Fumesucker Jul 2012 #60

How does 9,000 dead out of 300 million make us a sick culture? n/t EX500rider Jul 2012 #185

Well, if it had the same rate of gun deaths as the UK GCP Jul 2012 #370

And if we had the same rate of stabbings the figure would be higher.. EX500rider Jul 2012 #375

I don't care. Guns are boring. Quantess Jul 2012 #24

But you cared about it enough to tell that to the world? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #29

Yeah, I know... Quantess Jul 2012 #67

Out of the *hundreds* of gun threads, you chose mine first! Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #70

You are right, won't change right now nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #30

Background checks are clearly a good step! randome Jul 2012 #39

A background check would not have prevented this horrific event from what we know so far. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #40

But it could prevent others nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #42

Go to Gunbroker, not Sears. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #46

Thank you for proving my point nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #54

I'll freely grant that there's far more gun regulation now than before the 1930's. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #68

I would not call it freedom nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #74

Johnny, I applaud your efforts here... cleanhippie Jul 2012 #121

agreed.... Even a minor Gun Control measure would not get 20 votes in the Senate...n/t Moltisanti Jul 2012 #141

I said no such thing Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #71

And I pointed out that this is actually a favorite NRA nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #78

I don't follow the NRA so I don't have any idea what their talking points are Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #137

He visited a local gun shop nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #172

We already have background checks. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #66

But 40% of all gun transactions do not involve one nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #69

I discussed that in my initial reply. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #76

I agree, it can be done nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #80

Would you give me the source of your 40% statistic? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #192

The good folks at Harvard. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #197

Which good folks? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #206

Harvard Injury Control Institute nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #221

Thanks, I found it. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #239

Aka private. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #245

Ok, but its clear that the gun show is a small source of private gun exchanges. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #263

It's called that way, but that's what it is nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #264

So you want to get rid of all nonchecked private sales, gifts and inheritances? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #274

100% back ground checks nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #275

No. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #36

I need a license to drive my car. I need insurance for my car. I would need extensive training 2on2u Jul 2012 #37

I agree completely dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #55

I agree with your list, too. randome Jul 2012 #61

But JeepJK556 Jul 2012 #62

If I attempt to drive my car in public (license plate) and I don't have authorization to do 2on2u Jul 2012 #109

If you attempt to carry gun in public and don't have authorization to do (CCW) Angleae Jul 2012 #177

In Texas, you cannot buy a vehicle without a current valid license AND insurance mbperrin Jul 2012 #133

Yes you can. I live in Texas and have done so. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #159

You're breaking the law and fraudulently keeping the state of Texas from collecting the tax due mbperrin Jul 2012 #286

Are those goalposts heavy? You have moved them. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #292

Actually, you paid money, but own nothing if you didn't transfer title. Just keep ignoring the Texas mbperrin Jul 2012 #300

Your original post said NOTHING about title. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #357

No title, no ownership. So says Texas. mbperrin Jul 2012 #358

But you don't have to have insurance for the car if it doesn't go on public roads. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #369

You have to have a driver's license AND insurance effective for that vehicle at the moment of title mbperrin Jul 2012 #374

You are still wrong about the insurance. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #377

Maybe it's just me but don't MOST people who buy vehicles drive them on public roads? Redford Jul 2012 #378

True. But the other guy was saying that insurance was ALWAYS required. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #379

Okay, I was going to just stop, but you won't. GIVE A LINK mbperrin Jul 2012 #383

Again, you keep yapping about title. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #384

Finally, back on topic. Yes, any felon, drunk, druggie, illegal, insane, or other mbperrin Jul 2012 #382

All FFL at a gun show have to follow the same rules as at the store. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #385

Wrong on so many levels. beevul Jul 2012 #254

Usay. n/t 2on2u Jul 2012 #386

Thank You Very Much For this Posting Sherman A1 Jul 2012 #38

Very sad commentary on political discourse... jimlup Jul 2012 #41

The "fact" that you're going to win eventually? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #43

How about you? Where did you get your crystal ball? wakemewhenitsover Jul 2012 #72

There's a term for the OP's state of mind... wakemewhenitsover Jul 2012 #73

Heh. Touché Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #75

Let's say there's no hope of rapid change in gun control laws.... wakemewhenitsover Jul 2012 #142

I'm afraid you've completely misread me. I'm against gun control. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #147

You're right. I did misread you. wakemewhenitsover Jul 2012 #255

I think the points made in my OP stand regardless of my feelings on the matter. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #258

It's impossible to win when your side keeps going backwards n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #92

That certainly doesn't appear to be true in Europe or the UK jimlup Jul 2012 #282

Never. tosh Jul 2012 #45

I could really use the Un-rec feature right now. bahrbearian Jul 2012 #50

Sad but true grantcart Jul 2012 #52

No. Giving up and going to the Gun Free Speach Zone is irrelevant. I think this is a game changer. Lint Head Jul 2012 #53

Why would this be a game changer when Virginia Tech, with almost 3 times the deaths, wasn't? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #56

It is a game-changer. For about a month. randome Jul 2012 #59

Only the future knows. Lint Head Jul 2012 #63

A month is far too long. I give it till the end of next week. n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #87

Members can't be bothered with the cause, only the tool. Tejas Jul 2012 #58

Thus the thread started in the gungeon n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #91

Nice try. You can go collect liberalhistorian Jul 2012 #64

Christ, Johnny, how small is it? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #77

DUzy Tsiyu Jul 2012 #223

The gun debate was over the moment the assault weapon ban was passed, and the gun lobby won. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #82

Even if you ban all guns they'd still be a black market to get them. All we can really do is try to craigmatic Jul 2012 #83

Indeed. Talk is cheap. L0oniX Jul 2012 #86

S-U-R-R-E-N-D-E-R DOROTHY ThoughtCriminal Jul 2012 #89

Maybe not after this killing spree. And maybe not the next one when 30 are shot in a mall. Evoman Jul 2012 #94

Dr. King was told to give up too, so was Nelson Mandela graham4anything Jul 2012 #95

You lost me when you labeled the authoritarian fascist Bloomberg as a liberal TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #257

Meanwhile, IN THE REAL WORLD Cheap_Trick Jul 2012 #99

You know, Ineeda Jul 2012 #101

Johnny Rico stonecutter357 Jul 2012 #102

If you want to fight firearms abuse, fight it the same way tobacco is being fought OmahaBlueDog Jul 2012 #104

Darn. I thought you were going to say class action lawsuits... Pholus Jul 2012 #229

+1. We also changed how people viewed tobacco and banned its use in a lot of public places. Hoyt Jul 2012 #364

Some other things I sure "Give Up" was suggested seriously. airplaneman Jul 2012 #107

That's what the segregationists said in the 40's Doctor_J Jul 2012 #114

Ya think? Well, here's another view... 1monster Jul 2012 #117

Some day the American people will stand up to the gun nuts. But what on earth will it take? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #118

Never. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #120

Well, that's the spirit! liberalmuse Jul 2012 #140

"Give Up" Messages found on DU in previous years: HankyDub Jul 2012 #145

We can't remove an anti-trust exemption or stop food stamp cuts or even keep critical firefighters TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #299

Fuck the NRA nt NoGOPZone Jul 2012 #146

Odd timing for triumphalist rhetoric alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #149

Not odd at all. After seeing post after post calling for draconian gun control, Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #150

Draconian? Really? Point one out please. Just one. n/t Ineeda Jul 2012 #153

any restriction is viewed as draconian HankyDub Jul 2012 #160

Here's half a dozen. Need more? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #180

My God -- you are out of your fucking mind!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ineeda Jul 2012 #293

Because I support the law as it currently stands? Um, ok.... Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #294

And folks like that are walking around in public with a gun or two strapped on every day. Hoyt Jul 2012 #366

more like insanity HankyDub Jul 2012 #157

Why hasn't this thead ben moved yet? MattBaggins Jul 2012 #173

Because they can't nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #182

Nope, voted 5-1 to keep it open, I tried, it insults and disgusts me however DainBramaged Jul 2012 #222

Because guns are currently on-topic in GD. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #187

If their only purpose is flame bait, then yes. MattBaggins Jul 2012 #190

Are you trying to get the anti-gun threads whose only contribution to the dialogue is Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #194

Fuck the NRA is perfectly fine for DU MattBaggins Jul 2012 #238

Because the sewage pipe to the gungeon backed up. Major Hogwash Jul 2012 #198

no, I will not give up niyad Jul 2012 #184

And yet you feel threatened enough in the last couple of days to make this post? Pholus Jul 2012 #193

If you think I feel any guilt, you don't know me very well! Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #202

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I figured it was either guilt or trolling. Guess it's just trolling then. nt Pholus Jul 2012 #217

Wow, well, since you feel that way, and mock us to boot, fuck you. DainBramaged Jul 2012 #200

Typical bully Tsiyu Jul 2012 #203

Always the same until they get the tombstone DainBramaged Jul 2012 #205

Or a forced time out? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #208

It's as if he is mocking us for choosing life over death DainBramaged Jul 2012 #209

Yeah...it is Tsiyu Jul 2012 #210

SAY I have a question, will you defend the right for Gays to marry as vehemently? DainBramaged Jul 2012 #214

Absolutely yes. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #218

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #225

Here Here!!!! Hear Hear!!!! Tsiyu Jul 2012 #228

nobody's taking your guns... spanone Jul 2012 #215

When did I assert that they were? And please, be specific. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #220

right wing gun nuts often make idiotic arguments n/t quinnox Jul 2012 #216

" From my cold dead hands " Never !! Gun Nuts Dance in my orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #226

Regarding the rest of the world, he knows nothing, just where to get a deal on gun oil DainBramaged Jul 2012 #227

Have all the guns you like. Regulate the ammo, I say. Akoto Jul 2012 #230

Bringing things on-topic...will you grant that your proposal doesn't have the slightest chance Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #232

Why do you have over 30,000 rounds? What are you planning to do with them? Demit Jul 2012 #243

Mostly, just collect them. I like to have a few hundred rounds for each of my guns. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #246

I hope you realize a few of those rounds are extremely old stock by now nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #248

30 year old ammo isn't considered "old". Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #250

Bang has nothing to do with stability nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #303

30 year old ammo that's been stored under proper conditions is perfectly stable. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #306

Well, I guess I will take the word of a pro on this nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #360

How old was the ammuntion you used when you were in the middle of the ... zappaman Jul 2012 #323

So you overbuy ammunition, for no particular reason. Demit Jul 2012 #290

Why is it overbuying to have around 300 rounds of ammunition (on average) for each firearm one owns? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #296

I was speaking of hoarders in general, who hoard other things (that pile up inside their houses). Demit Jul 2012 #304

Ok...you say I'm a hoarder. I say I'm not. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #309

Now, nothing. I don't know you & hopefully don't live near you so it doesn't matter to me. Demit Jul 2012 #333

With all due respect, you don't seem to know much about ammunition. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #334

You're right, I don't. Demit Jul 2012 #351

The collecting bug bites us all in different ways... Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #355

With all, due respect nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #363

You are correct nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #371

Stocking up for a zombie invasion or Y2K prob'ly. Pholus Jul 2012 #247

No, I will not grant that. Akoto Jul 2012 #277

Then regulate the buying and selling of ammo Politicub Jul 2012 #231

See #232. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #233

The same people who freak out over gun rights also freak out over TSA searches starroute Jul 2012 #234

Thanks for showing me that it "could be worse." Pholus Jul 2012 #237

Give up? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #236

Support for gun ownership and concealed carry is at an all time high? w/math edit randr Jul 2012 #240

name ONE state that has voted AGAINST concealed carry when placed on the ballot? Logical Jul 2012 #241

Name a state where enormous amounts of outside money randr Jul 2012 #249

+6000 (for the number of rounds of ammo Holmes possessed) nashville_brook Jul 2012 #271

Careful on the math. Pholus Jul 2012 #242

As Time goes on numbers are at an " all time high " orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #244

Your math is off 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #251

Those who get hardons and jerk off to weaponry hold this country back. morningfog Jul 2012 #259

Yep. No matter how horrid, this is not the ditch we will die in. Faygo Kid Jul 2012 #261

The Future of Gun Control... -..__... Jul 2012 #266

Most here aren't willing to listen to reason on the subject. Not all, thankfully. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #268

But... but... but... -..__... Jul 2012 #270

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Folks fought to end slavery for 100 years quaker bill Jul 2012 #267

"May they rust into pieces." Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #269

And it didn't happen with a vote. Your historical reference is not relevent IMO but actually makes grantcart Jul 2012 #276

I do not propose activism quaker bill Jul 2012 #289

I am very familiar with the work of both Quakers and Mennonites. grantcart Jul 2012 #311

I am fine with activism on other issues as well quaker bill Jul 2012 #315

"In this case activism only promotes opposition and stuffs the coffers of the NRA", 100% agreement. grantcart Jul 2012 #316

Problem is that it's not even the historic norm nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #298

Yes the mythologizing on the issue is rather astonishing. grantcart Jul 2012 #312

It's going to take a Nixon to China-type deal BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #278

Gun Control is political suicide. Look at 1994. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #279

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Jim Lane Jul 2012 #281

I have faith in President Obama. LAGC Jul 2012 #283

No, and thank you for the encouragement to fight on harder SaveAmerica Jul 2012 #301

ahhh.... no bowens43 Jul 2012 #302

To put it impolitely, FUCK YOU! pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #307

+1 ellisonz Jul 2012 #313

Hey, ellisonz pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #314

Aloha! ellisonz Jul 2012 #317

Shit, bro, you know I carried weapons--and used them--in VN pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #325

I think some of the gun nuts... ellisonz Jul 2012 #327

I think the worst thing for vets returning from combat abroad... pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #330

A message to Johnny Rico, Hell No! SecularMotion Jul 2012 #308

Gun fetishists can go fuck themselves. alarimer Jul 2012 #310

A message to Johnny Rico: The Midway Rebel Jul 2012 #318

'Fraid so. That horse is so far out of the barn it can't be put back. stubtoe Jul 2012 #319

There are a lot of posters up-thread who refuse to see that. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #320

give up? LOL... arrogant nutcase fascisthunter Jul 2012 #321

Has anyone alerted on this? "Boys and girls"??? joeybee12 Jul 2012 #322

Pretty sure condescending posts aren't alertable zappaman Jul 2012 #324

some of us still want to talk about ideas for saving innocent lives and we're not smug samsingh Jul 2012 #326

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #329

Nuts Cherchez la Femme Jul 2012 #332

IIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Rex Jul 2012 #335

FUCK THE NRA! pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #336

I have no problem with banning ohheckyeah Jul 2012 #337

Which is pretty much the point of my OP! Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #338

I know - ohheckyeah Jul 2012 #341

Dear Johnny Rico: don't tell me what to do. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #339

Would you also object to a post that tells people who own guns that they should have to turn Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #342

I object to any post that asks people to "give up" on a cause they believe in. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #344

Would you feel better if I edited the OP not to say "boys and girls"? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #346

Whatever. I see you've edited it. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #365

restricting guns would be just as foolish for the Dems as passing civil rights was in the 60's Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #340

Yep, we might as well kiss the redneck wannabe vote goodybe! YoungDemCA Jul 2012 #343

How'd that work out in 1994? I know, let's ask President Clinton! Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #347

How many of those NRA 'swing voters" are still Democrats? YoungDemCA Jul 2012 #348

I haven't the faintest idea, but there's no reason to think that 18 years laters the next generation Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #350

Sadly, that's when lots of folks started arming up, packing in public, and supporting right wingers. Hoyt Jul 2012 #367

We Have a Machine Gun Problem That's Only Going to Get Worse SoDesuKa Jul 2012 #361

Are you under the impression that there *aren't* heavy restrictions on machine gun ownership? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #362

Give up? 99Forever Jul 2012 #368

I imagine an intractable dogma would indeed see that. LanternWaste Jul 2012 #372

And a black man could never be President, and Gays would never be allowed in the Military or given Pisces Jul 2012 #381

+1 Joseph Harrolds Dec 2012 #387

Kick Hal2814 Feb 2013 #389

I just recced your thread darkangel218 Sep 2015 #390

How totally and utterly odd that you would. The poster is a banned repeat troll. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #391

I like looking up old threads darkangel218 Sep 2015 #392

She followed the link from Discussionist pintobean Sep 2015 #393