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Tejas

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17. "I bet every parent" - yes, and water is wet.

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 04:00 PM

Jul 2012

I'll just have to accept that you are more concerned with numbers than helping figure out the societal conditions that drive people to commit such crimes as this.

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As long as the 800lb gorilla [View all] Tejas Jul 2012 OP

When was the last time someone killed 12 and injured 58 in 2 minutes with a knife? Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #1

Sooooooo, 2 dead due to stabbing is okay? Tejas Jul 2012 #5

There is no perfect solution. Limiting the casualties is the best we can hope for. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #13

"I bet every parent" - yes, and water is wet. Tejas Jul 2012 #17

I am interested in saving lives. You seem to think you can change all of society Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #72

"You will never figure out" - okay, thanks for your input. Tejas Jul 2012 #85

You can't argue with gun owners. They're irrational people... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #6

Yeah, gun owners use facts and don't respond to histrionics. Arguing with them must be hell for you. Edweird Jul 2012 #26

Facts!!!! Oh .. Bull.... _____! Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #73

Yep. Facts. Real facty type facts,even. Not the fake Brady or VPC 'facts' that aren't true. Edweird Jul 2012 #75

How about equating a baseball bat with an AR-15, is that a "fact". Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #82

Yeah, um, you're gonna have to show me where I equated a bat with an AR15. Edweird Jul 2012 #86

What kind of gun did Timothy McVeigh use? He killed 168 and injured over 800 in seconds. Edweird Jul 2012 #23

Trolls here would ban on trucks. Tejas Jul 2012 #35

He used a Ryder truck gun. boppers Jul 2012 #61

How often does that happen compared to deaths from guns? Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #71

and afterwards.. booley Jul 2012 #81

9/11 - they used box cutters to take over the planes (nt) The Straight Story Jul 2012 #78

and look at all the laws that were created because of it Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #83

Exactly. But expect nothing but misdirection and straw men in response to the salient question. villager Jul 2012 #80

when somebody can walk into a movie theater and cause 71 casualties in minutes with a baseball Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #2

Ditto n/t malaise Jul 2012 #7

So, you are more concerned with # of casualties than causality. Tejas Jul 2012 #8

yes that is exactly what I said. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #9

That you don't care what caused it, just what tool was used? Tejas Jul 2012 #12

Makes a major difference to the extra number of people who are dead treestar Jul 2012 #11

So, # of casualties is more important than the cause? Tejas Jul 2012 #15

Of course. If you kill 2 people with a knife but could have killed 12 people with a gun treestar Jul 2012 #16

But *why* were they killed? Does that matter? Tejas Jul 2012 #18

It matters to them treestar Jul 2012 #84

strawman... handmade34 Jul 2012 #29

If they do care, then where is the discussion? Tejas Jul 2012 #32

the discussions go on daily here handmade34 Jul 2012 #36

Great, then let's see some of these so-called discussions. Tejas Jul 2012 #39

McVeigh killed 168 and injured over 800 in about 2 seconds without a gun. Edweird Jul 2012 #20

Yes and in the wake of his murderous spree left is right Jul 2012 #59

Well I see you just ran full tilt off the cliff lunatica Jul 2012 #3

Stick around, instead of a snark you might actually Tejas Jul 2012 #10

you are right. Banning guns will not stop violence. mysuzuki2 Jul 2012 #4

Nope. Highly efficient killers use bombs. Edweird Jul 2012 #21

Agreed. Tejas Jul 2012 #25

Just like making drugs illegal has curbed drug use.nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #14

The USA has a rate of gun-related deaths 8x higher than other developed democracies. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #19

Quoting numbers concerning the tool over and over is not facing the root problem. Tejas Jul 2012 #30

There are 90 guns for every 100 people in the USA Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #34

He could damn sure kill as many (more actually) with just some gas alone or easy to make explosives. Edweird Jul 2012 #37

"20 mass shootings a year" - cite? Tejas Jul 2012 #38

Way to miss the point Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #41

No, it's not. A bomb is. Using a gun on a lot of people is actually labor intensive. Edweird Jul 2012 #43

Sure, you have to pull the trigger, that's a tremendous amount of work. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #44

That's like saying "all you have to do to use a jackhammer is pull the trigger". Edweird Jul 2012 #47

So are you denying the simple facts of the number of mass shooting incidents? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #49

20 a year? Substantiate that. I believe that is a lie. Edweird Jul 2012 #52

Sources are provided for the stories. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #54

Substantiate the '20 mass shootings a year'. I saw 6 for this year. Where are the rest? Edweird Jul 2012 #55

It's July? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #56

I don't know about your calender, but mine has 12 months. Edweird Jul 2012 #57

Buy a dictionary and look up "average" and get back to me Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #58

So... substantiate. You've shown 6. Ok, so show the OTHER years with the more than 20 Edweird Jul 2012 #60

You can't read, can you? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #63

The FBI defines mass murder as 4 or more with no cooling off period. Edweird Jul 2012 #67

Except we're talking about shootings including wounding, not just murder. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #68

That move of the goal post didn't change anything. My previous post still applies. 'Mass' = >4 Edweird Jul 2012 #70

Amateur bomb making is neither a simple nor a risk free task.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #50

ANFO is about as simple and risk free as you can get. Edweird Jul 2012 #62

How about FBI or DOJ instead of a group of Republicans wanting to ban guns? Tejas Jul 2012 #45

The data are valid, the source is irrelevant Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #46

Like your '20 mass shootings a year'. The source is relevant if it is lie. Gun grabbers lie. Edweird Jul 2012 #48

On average one a month so far this year: Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #51

You're not very good at math are you? Edweird Jul 2012 #53

The fact that extremely biased Republicans are your source is relevant. Tejas Jul 2012 #87

nobody wants your guuuunnnnnnnns.... spanone Jul 2012 #22

You can ban guns if you want to, it will help some...... wandy Jul 2012 #24

There are more things that we can do than your one dimensional solution to these problems. upaloopa Jul 2012 #27

I offered a solution? Really? Tejas Jul 2012 #40

As soon as they invent a 100 round baseball bat or knife that can kill scores within a few moments hlthe2b Jul 2012 #31

A 5 gallon jug of gasoline at each exit and the death toll would have been much higher. Edweird Jul 2012 #42

A 5 gallon jug of gasoline does nothing. boppers Jul 2012 #64

Clue: detonators are nothing but glorified fireworks. Edweird Jul 2012 #69

Yeah, but gun nuts aren't about logic. boppers Jul 2012 #74

Richard Speck used a knife. murielm99 Jul 2012 #33

As it stands now, we can�t force people into treatment until it is proven that they are a threat to left is right Jul 2012 #65

Should we not look at mental health and access to weapons? boppers Jul 2012 #66

This OP is pure, unadulterated bullshit Tsiyu Jul 2012 #76

As much as you may like guns quaker bill Jul 2012 #77

We never address .................. SILVER__FOX52 Jul 2012 #79

You forgot something: sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #88

I didn't mention poison or hands/feet or drunk driving or strangulation either. Tejas Jul 2012 #89

Yes they matter a lot. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #90

Correct, they account for 30% of FBI homicide figures. Tejas Jul 2012 #91