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LisaL

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80. We came up with that one too.

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:19 PM

Dec 2017

Believe everybody accusing somebody and if they are multiple people making accusations that makes it even more true. So we are being hoisted by our own petard.
I could see that coming from a mile away.

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I Believe Frankens Accusers Because He Groped Me, Too [View all] .99center Dec 2017 OP

This is sad but as I was saying in another thread, I think Dem Senators are acting on writes3000 Dec 2017 #1

I respect anyone who comes out and identifies themselves, and definitely adds to the credibility still_one Dec 2017 #3

I'm sorry, still one, but all eight accusers can't all be lying. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #5

Sorry but I do not consider anonymous accusers as credible as those who identify themselves still_one Dec 2017 #7

I can't keep up. How many are on the record ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #13

The one's who identifed themselves are on record as far as I am concerned. still_one Dec 2017 #14

How many have identified themselves ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #15

I am not arguing with you DSB, I am just stating to me those accusers have more credibility. still_one Dec 2017 #36

I just hope all this unpleasantness passes. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #51

It will....... and then there will be something else still_one Dec 2017 #56

Which is a major factor why many women simply stay silent LanternWaste Dec 2017 #153

Truth. A pattern has emerged. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #54

I don't take any joy in this... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #57

Agreed on all points. nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #58

Wait, what? Didn't this last one say he "groped" her around her WAIST? brush Dec 2017 #79

It is now! kcr Dec 2017 #90

People don't even bother to read the article and see what it accuses him of. woolldog Dec 2017 #93

I had the same reaction Jarqui Dec 2017 #112

Yep, that's the latest accusation. LisaL Dec 2017 #96

Franken seemed to be touching in silly antic style as a funny man with no rainy Dec 2017 #127

But we CAN judge people by some standards of degree!! Did Franken molest CHILDREN? Commit felonies chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #140

If the bar is Pedo Moore we will have to ignore a lot of really egregious behavior. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #142

Sure they can. Since they won't give a name it could be ONE Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #65

The only victims I believe are the ones whose perpetrators I dislke DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #71

Oh bullshit. When the women come out and give their names Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #75

If you believe all eight accusers are lying there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #98

I believe one nutter equates a hand on her waist for a picture Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #105

If all the accusers are nutters... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #108

Because they are stupid and think " if we take the high road Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #113

Some critical thinking is required, including from the busload of senators throwing... brush Dec 2017 #118

The anonymous accusers are awfully convenient for the GOP. The known accusers BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #134

This woman was a victim....REALLY? Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #144

Senator Franken didn't inappropriately touch me so I can't speak to victimhood or lack thereof DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #146

Well you called her a victim in your post. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #147

Because she feels she is one and I don't get to validate or invalidate her or anybody's feelings. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #148

Absolutely! rusty fender Dec 2017 #85

Eight is enough. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #89

Two were righties and five were anonymous...we look weak not fighting it. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #151

That link makes her seem ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #8

I don't think so. She worked for Alan Grayson, she is currently a journalist. still_one Dec 2017 #10

I wonder if she ever found out if she had been an alcoholic? kcr Dec 2017 #11

That's what struck me as really strange ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #17

HER WAIST..he squeezed her waist a couple times...that PLAYFUL! angstlessk Dec 2017 #67

Alan Grayson Clarity2 Dec 2017 #132

Eight accusers is or should be enough. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #4

Subtract anonymous accusers HelenWheels Dec 2017 #37

So would it be 4, 5, or 6 ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #46

Wait. Are we not discounting Tweeden's account? Where she submitted a gag photo... brush Dec 2017 #94

She said it was ridiculous for him to consider resigning. And she accepted his apology. 7962 Dec 2017 #149

IMO she had no standing to accuse anyone of groping since she did it herself. brush Dec 2017 #152

I'm not sure I agree cilla4progress Dec 2017 #2

We should be prepared to be attacked, but I agree kcr Dec 2017 #9

Isn't it up to her whether she feels uncomfortable or not? FBaggins Dec 2017 #16

Then maybe when she stands with celebrities for photos she should warn them kcr Dec 2017 #19

Nah FBaggins Dec 2017 #22

This is nuts. kcr Dec 2017 #24

Laughable. FBaggins Dec 2017 #25

Don't believe women... about being touched on the waste during a picture. kcr Dec 2017 #26

Might as well just leave it at "don't believe women" FBaggins Dec 2017 #35

So the claim itself doesn't matter? kcr Dec 2017 #41

So which defense is it now? FBaggins Dec 2017 #43

I've never wavered. It's not a big deal. kcr Dec 2017 #45

Don't be cowed by the Franken apologists True Dough Dec 2017 #72

I'm sure the He groped me because he was thinking about it! I just know he was! accusation is coming kcr Dec 2017 #74

Laughable FBaggins Dec 2017 #82

Laughable is not caring that the accusations are annonymous kcr Dec 2017 #87

Nope... it's continuing to pretend that they ARE anonymous. FBaggins Dec 2017 #100

What? Pretend that they're anonymous? They are! It's a fact! kcr Dec 2017 #102

Nope. FBaggins Dec 2017 #110

But I'm the one who's spinning kcr Dec 2017 #115

Game this out . Let's say there was a Senate hearing. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #116

One major difference on where we would be FBaggins Dec 2017 #119

I empathize with Franken. Maybe in a different environment he keeps his job. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #120

I'm probably one of the most partisan Democrats but at some point the evidence becomes cumulative. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #76

Exactly FBaggins Dec 2017 #81

Every Democratic senator has called for his resignation or remained silent... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #86

The sad part, IMO, is that some Dems True Dough Dec 2017 #107

Of course Franken isn't as bad as Pedo Moore Or Chump. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #111

Why is she hugging his shoulder and why does she appear to be having a good time? grantcart Dec 2017 #21

So you're saying that she was asking for it, right? FBaggins Dec 2017 #23

Of course I didn' say that. I am saying that the picture doesn't match with her account grantcart Dec 2017 #31

Sigh. Have you not seen other photos with celebrities? FBaggins Dec 2017 #39

Read accounts of Taylor Swift's trial crazycatlady Dec 2017 #47

Right... I forgot about that one FBaggins Dec 2017 #53

This photo doesn't prove your point. woolldog Dec 2017 #103

How many more will it take? FBaggins Dec 2017 #114

Yes, please. Matt_R Dec 2017 #143

Has anyone won anything for hand around waist? LisaL Dec 2017 #64

Is that all he's accused of? FBaggins Dec 2017 #68

If you don't want to be touched, DeminPennswoods Dec 2017 #48

That's A Punkish Reply! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #124

Hyperbolic, but not close to punkish FBaggins Dec 2017 #126

Well she's allowed to touch him however she'd like but her waist is off limits? bettyellen Dec 2017 #28

exactly and she is behind him so she could have easily put some inches between them grantcart Dec 2017 #33

Then she shouldn't cuddle up to Franken. HelenWheels Dec 2017 #40

Please stop blaming the victim FBaggins Dec 2017 #42

Oh give me a break. LisaL Dec 2017 #60

I would agree if she were the first or second accuser FBaggins Dec 2017 #66

He posed for a lot of photos. LisaL Dec 2017 #84

Is her hand on his shoulder groping? Does her picture looked like she is uncomfortable about being grantcart Dec 2017 #20

I agree traladeda Dec 2017 #109

Not sure... Mandos the Judge Dec 2017 #6

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #12

This is a credible account. But an account of what? grantcart Dec 2017 #18

Yeah, after the photo was taken wellst0nev0ter Dec 2017 #141

What next. "He shook my hand too long!" ??? The_Casual_Observer Dec 2017 #27

He Shook My Hand erpowers Dec 2017 #61

Well, normally I wouldn't think a hand shake was sexual harassment, but kcr Dec 2017 #92

lol woolldog Dec 2017 #106

Isn't she on Stephanie Miller? N/t gay texan Dec 2017 #29

What we have here is a failure to communicate... califootman Dec 2017 #30

She was so outraged by Franken's behavior she put HER arm around him and hand on his shoulder... Bengus81 Dec 2017 #38

She Does Not Make Sense erpowers Dec 2017 #52

Not Groping To Me erpowers Dec 2017 #32

If it is the picture in the article that she's referencing Bettie Dec 2017 #59

"He immediately put his hand on my waist, grabbing a handful of flesh. I froze. Then he squeezed. At uponit7771 Dec 2017 #34

I don't get this one... cbdo2007 Dec 2017 #44

Sort of like people touching a pregnant woman's stomach without permission wellst0nev0ter Dec 2017 #138

This woman sounds like a walking stereotype standingtall Dec 2017 #49

He put her hand on her waist? Nevernose Dec 2017 #50

Yes, she is describing what sounds like a normal hug for a photo op. LisaL Dec 2017 #55

Unfortunately, this article convinced me RandomAccess Dec 2017 #62

This thread answers the question of "why are the accusers anonymous" pretty decisively Dreamer Tatum Dec 2017 #63

SOUNDS LIKE? Its literally NOT Nevernose Dec 2017 #69

Because she said it was, and I believe women when they say they've been groped. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2017 #70

That has never been the definition of groping. kcr Dec 2017 #73

Well, it is now. LisaL Dec 2017 #77

And apparently the number of accusations is the only thing that matters kcr Dec 2017 #78

We came up with that one too. LisaL Dec 2017 #80

Oh I think there's more than a little help kcr Dec 2017 #83

Falling on our own sword is what we do best. LisaL Dec 2017 #88

What matters to me is not the number of allegations, but the merit behind them. BlueStater Dec 2017 #101

Some are indeed basing their judgment on the number of allegations. kcr Dec 2017 #104

In what world is that groping? LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #122

A hand around the waist Nevernose Dec 2017 #129

I thought that Congressman Conyers should have resigned. LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #136

There's at least one Franken accusation that's an obvious reich-wing lie wellst0nev0ter Dec 2017 #139

A hand around the waste is groping? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #91

Me too spooky3 Dec 2017 #99

He didn't grope her. He grabbed her around the waist for a picture Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #95

It's groping now. LisaL Dec 2017 #97

Yikes... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #117

It's like arguing over what constitutes a catch in the NFL Generic Brad Dec 2017 #125

It doesn't sound like a grope to me. juxtaposed Dec 2017 #121

I'm sorry, but she lost me at the "hand on my waist" part ecstatic Dec 2017 #123

SERIOUSLY?? THIS is "groping." This is BULLSHIT. Sheer and complete BULLSHIT!!! LBM20 Dec 2017 #128

+1, also said she wouldn't allow her husband to touch her that way?!? She said he squeezed twice,... uponit7771 Dec 2017 #130

Yeah, what's with her being hands-off to her own husband? mainer Dec 2017 #137

Now I know why you didn't put the "groping" part in your excerpt...because it's fake. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #131

She sounds like a delicate flower mainer Dec 2017 #133

Hypersensitivity and Ultra-Political Correctness is destroying us. It is just RIDICULOUS! LBM20 Dec 2017 #135

.99 center...DID YOU READ THIS ARTICLE? It's odd how YOU HAVE NOT RESPONDED once in your Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #145

Really...how interesting. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #150