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FBaggins

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110. Nope.

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:48 PM

Dec 2017

There's a difference between being anonymous and a reliable news agency not disclosing the person's identity. We have been told more than enough information to believe this morning's accuser. It's more than obvious that the true believer spin machine stuck on "anonymous" because we know enough that "liar" is not believable... nor is "not serious" or "right-winger". You're left with "DU doesn't know her name" while dodging any conversation regarding whether the reporter and editor are reliable (because they obviously are). Another of the earlier accusers that you would call anonymous was not only known by a Politico reporter, that reporter had been told of the incident at the time that it happened. That's not an "anonymous" source either... it's a source known to the reporter... just not known to DU.

I'm not spinning anything.

You're not spinning anything well... but you're definitely spinning.

Come on... give us a taste of what you'll say if he resigns tomorrow. By implication you've challenged to veracity or sanity of several DUers... a majority of Democratic senators... at least a pair of reporters (and, of course, the victims). How will Franken fare?

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I Believe Frankens Accusers Because He Groped Me, Too [View all] .99center Dec 2017 OP

This is sad but as I was saying in another thread, I think Dem Senators are acting on writes3000 Dec 2017 #1

I respect anyone who comes out and identifies themselves, and definitely adds to the credibility still_one Dec 2017 #3

I'm sorry, still one, but all eight accusers can't all be lying. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #5

Sorry but I do not consider anonymous accusers as credible as those who identify themselves still_one Dec 2017 #7

I can't keep up. How many are on the record ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #13

The one's who identifed themselves are on record as far as I am concerned. still_one Dec 2017 #14

How many have identified themselves ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #15

I am not arguing with you DSB, I am just stating to me those accusers have more credibility. still_one Dec 2017 #36

I just hope all this unpleasantness passes. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #51

It will....... and then there will be something else still_one Dec 2017 #56

Which is a major factor why many women simply stay silent LanternWaste Dec 2017 #153

Truth. A pattern has emerged. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #54

I don't take any joy in this... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #57

Agreed on all points. nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #58

Wait, what? Didn't this last one say he "groped" her around her WAIST? brush Dec 2017 #79

It is now! kcr Dec 2017 #90

People don't even bother to read the article and see what it accuses him of. woolldog Dec 2017 #93

I had the same reaction Jarqui Dec 2017 #112

Yep, that's the latest accusation. LisaL Dec 2017 #96

Franken seemed to be touching in silly antic style as a funny man with no rainy Dec 2017 #127

But we CAN judge people by some standards of degree!! Did Franken molest CHILDREN? Commit felonies chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #140

If the bar is Pedo Moore we will have to ignore a lot of really egregious behavior. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #142

Sure they can. Since they won't give a name it could be ONE Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #65

The only victims I believe are the ones whose perpetrators I dislke DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #71

Oh bullshit. When the women come out and give their names Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #75

If you believe all eight accusers are lying there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #98

I believe one nutter equates a hand on her waist for a picture Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #105

If all the accusers are nutters... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #108

Because they are stupid and think " if we take the high road Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #113

Some critical thinking is required, including from the busload of senators throwing... brush Dec 2017 #118

The anonymous accusers are awfully convenient for the GOP. The known accusers BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #134

This woman was a victim....REALLY? Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #144

Senator Franken didn't inappropriately touch me so I can't speak to victimhood or lack thereof DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #146

Well you called her a victim in your post. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #147

Because she feels she is one and I don't get to validate or invalidate her or anybody's feelings. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #148

Absolutely! rusty fender Dec 2017 #85

Eight is enough. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #89

Two were righties and five were anonymous...we look weak not fighting it. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #151

That link makes her seem ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #8

I don't think so. She worked for Alan Grayson, she is currently a journalist. still_one Dec 2017 #10

I wonder if she ever found out if she had been an alcoholic? kcr Dec 2017 #11

That's what struck me as really strange ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #17

HER WAIST..he squeezed her waist a couple times...that PLAYFUL! angstlessk Dec 2017 #67

Alan Grayson Clarity2 Dec 2017 #132

Eight accusers is or should be enough. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #4

Subtract anonymous accusers HelenWheels Dec 2017 #37

So would it be 4, 5, or 6 ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #46

Wait. Are we not discounting Tweeden's account? Where she submitted a gag photo... brush Dec 2017 #94

She said it was ridiculous for him to consider resigning. And she accepted his apology. 7962 Dec 2017 #149

IMO she had no standing to accuse anyone of groping since she did it herself. brush Dec 2017 #152

I'm not sure I agree cilla4progress Dec 2017 #2

We should be prepared to be attacked, but I agree kcr Dec 2017 #9

Isn't it up to her whether she feels uncomfortable or not? FBaggins Dec 2017 #16

Then maybe when she stands with celebrities for photos she should warn them kcr Dec 2017 #19

Nah FBaggins Dec 2017 #22

This is nuts. kcr Dec 2017 #24

Laughable. FBaggins Dec 2017 #25

Don't believe women... about being touched on the waste during a picture. kcr Dec 2017 #26

Might as well just leave it at "don't believe women" FBaggins Dec 2017 #35

So the claim itself doesn't matter? kcr Dec 2017 #41

So which defense is it now? FBaggins Dec 2017 #43

I've never wavered. It's not a big deal. kcr Dec 2017 #45

Don't be cowed by the Franken apologists True Dough Dec 2017 #72

I'm sure the He groped me because he was thinking about it! I just know he was! accusation is coming kcr Dec 2017 #74

Laughable FBaggins Dec 2017 #82

Laughable is not caring that the accusations are annonymous kcr Dec 2017 #87

Nope... it's continuing to pretend that they ARE anonymous. FBaggins Dec 2017 #100

What? Pretend that they're anonymous? They are! It's a fact! kcr Dec 2017 #102

Nope. FBaggins Dec 2017 #110

But I'm the one who's spinning kcr Dec 2017 #115

Game this out . Let's say there was a Senate hearing. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #116

One major difference on where we would be FBaggins Dec 2017 #119

I empathize with Franken. Maybe in a different environment he keeps his job. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #120

I'm probably one of the most partisan Democrats but at some point the evidence becomes cumulative. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #76

Exactly FBaggins Dec 2017 #81

Every Democratic senator has called for his resignation or remained silent... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #86

The sad part, IMO, is that some Dems True Dough Dec 2017 #107

Of course Franken isn't as bad as Pedo Moore Or Chump. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #111

Why is she hugging his shoulder and why does she appear to be having a good time? grantcart Dec 2017 #21

So you're saying that she was asking for it, right? FBaggins Dec 2017 #23

Of course I didn' say that. I am saying that the picture doesn't match with her account grantcart Dec 2017 #31

Sigh. Have you not seen other photos with celebrities? FBaggins Dec 2017 #39

Read accounts of Taylor Swift's trial crazycatlady Dec 2017 #47

Right... I forgot about that one FBaggins Dec 2017 #53

This photo doesn't prove your point. woolldog Dec 2017 #103

How many more will it take? FBaggins Dec 2017 #114

Yes, please. Matt_R Dec 2017 #143

Has anyone won anything for hand around waist? LisaL Dec 2017 #64

Is that all he's accused of? FBaggins Dec 2017 #68

If you don't want to be touched, DeminPennswoods Dec 2017 #48

That's A Punkish Reply! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #124

Hyperbolic, but not close to punkish FBaggins Dec 2017 #126

Well she's allowed to touch him however she'd like but her waist is off limits? bettyellen Dec 2017 #28

exactly and she is behind him so she could have easily put some inches between them grantcart Dec 2017 #33

Then she shouldn't cuddle up to Franken. HelenWheels Dec 2017 #40

Please stop blaming the victim FBaggins Dec 2017 #42

Oh give me a break. LisaL Dec 2017 #60

I would agree if she were the first or second accuser FBaggins Dec 2017 #66

He posed for a lot of photos. LisaL Dec 2017 #84

Is her hand on his shoulder groping? Does her picture looked like she is uncomfortable about being grantcart Dec 2017 #20

I agree traladeda Dec 2017 #109

Not sure... Mandos the Judge Dec 2017 #6

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #12

This is a credible account. But an account of what? grantcart Dec 2017 #18

Yeah, after the photo was taken wellst0nev0ter Dec 2017 #141

What next. "He shook my hand too long!" ??? The_Casual_Observer Dec 2017 #27

He Shook My Hand erpowers Dec 2017 #61

Well, normally I wouldn't think a hand shake was sexual harassment, but kcr Dec 2017 #92

lol woolldog Dec 2017 #106

Isn't she on Stephanie Miller? N/t gay texan Dec 2017 #29

What we have here is a failure to communicate... califootman Dec 2017 #30

She was so outraged by Franken's behavior she put HER arm around him and hand on his shoulder... Bengus81 Dec 2017 #38

She Does Not Make Sense erpowers Dec 2017 #52

Not Groping To Me erpowers Dec 2017 #32

If it is the picture in the article that she's referencing Bettie Dec 2017 #59

"He immediately put his hand on my waist, grabbing a handful of flesh. I froze. Then he squeezed. At uponit7771 Dec 2017 #34

I don't get this one... cbdo2007 Dec 2017 #44

Sort of like people touching a pregnant woman's stomach without permission wellst0nev0ter Dec 2017 #138

This woman sounds like a walking stereotype standingtall Dec 2017 #49

He put her hand on her waist? Nevernose Dec 2017 #50

Yes, she is describing what sounds like a normal hug for a photo op. LisaL Dec 2017 #55

Unfortunately, this article convinced me RandomAccess Dec 2017 #62

This thread answers the question of "why are the accusers anonymous" pretty decisively Dreamer Tatum Dec 2017 #63

SOUNDS LIKE? Its literally NOT Nevernose Dec 2017 #69

Because she said it was, and I believe women when they say they've been groped. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2017 #70

That has never been the definition of groping. kcr Dec 2017 #73

Well, it is now. LisaL Dec 2017 #77

And apparently the number of accusations is the only thing that matters kcr Dec 2017 #78

We came up with that one too. LisaL Dec 2017 #80

Oh I think there's more than a little help kcr Dec 2017 #83

Falling on our own sword is what we do best. LisaL Dec 2017 #88

What matters to me is not the number of allegations, but the merit behind them. BlueStater Dec 2017 #101

Some are indeed basing their judgment on the number of allegations. kcr Dec 2017 #104

In what world is that groping? LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #122

A hand around the waist Nevernose Dec 2017 #129

I thought that Congressman Conyers should have resigned. LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #136

There's at least one Franken accusation that's an obvious reich-wing lie wellst0nev0ter Dec 2017 #139

A hand around the waste is groping? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #91

Me too spooky3 Dec 2017 #99

He didn't grope her. He grabbed her around the waist for a picture Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #95

It's groping now. LisaL Dec 2017 #97

Yikes... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #117

It's like arguing over what constitutes a catch in the NFL Generic Brad Dec 2017 #125

It doesn't sound like a grope to me. juxtaposed Dec 2017 #121

I'm sorry, but she lost me at the "hand on my waist" part ecstatic Dec 2017 #123

SERIOUSLY?? THIS is "groping." This is BULLSHIT. Sheer and complete BULLSHIT!!! LBM20 Dec 2017 #128

+1, also said she wouldn't allow her husband to touch her that way?!? She said he squeezed twice,... uponit7771 Dec 2017 #130

Yeah, what's with her being hands-off to her own husband? mainer Dec 2017 #137

Now I know why you didn't put the "groping" part in your excerpt...because it's fake. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #131

She sounds like a delicate flower mainer Dec 2017 #133

Hypersensitivity and Ultra-Political Correctness is destroying us. It is just RIDICULOUS! LBM20 Dec 2017 #135

.99 center...DID YOU READ THIS ARTICLE? It's odd how YOU HAVE NOT RESPONDED once in your Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #145

Really...how interesting. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #150