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PatrickforO

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192. Yeah, I agree. Very sadly, but I agree.

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:19 PM

Dec 2017

About these calls from Democrats for Franken to resign:

Some might say the word 'stupid?'

Others might say 'short sighted?'

Oh, and did you know that millennials overwhelmingly favor a third party. The Democrats will have to earn their votes and their commitment. Not to mention that:

Independent voters = 42%
Democrats = 29%
Republicans = 22%

So...what is the party doing to capture those 42% of independents? Demanding that Franken resign while staying silent on Roy Moore and Trump isn't gonna do it. And the millennials, 80 million strong, voting age? They are savvy and cynical, and they quite know bullshit when they see it. And this is it.

Force Franken to resign before the investigation is done, and the Democratic party will lose all momentum going into an election they should sweep.

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If Franken is forced out the Democrats are stupid and it's hopeless [View all] flamingdem Dec 2017 OP

I agree. ret5hd Dec 2017 #1

There is certainly a "plan" to all of this.... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #2

By the Democrats? flamingdem Dec 2017 #6

No - there is some sort of targeting going on by the "other side" NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #12

I agree, anything anonymous should be suspect flamingdem Dec 2017 #15

we are going to need new analogies - we bring silly putty to a nuke fight? NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #19

THIS .... "we bring silly putty"!!! KPN Dec 2017 #70

Careful! Plucketeer Dec 2017 #113

Dear Mods Plucketeer Dec 2017 #253

There are 6 including Tweendan? I thought she was one and the other girl was 2 and then 2 anonymous Maraya1969 Dec 2017 #234

heresay and 'popular' outrage generated mainly by 300 POS on 1500 radio stations certainot Dec 2017 #178

Like the election plan? lame54 Dec 2017 #199

Its pretty simple. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #3

Bernie said he should step down. bettyellen Dec 2017 #205

My post was made several hours before that. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #216

So what do you have to say now? bettyellen Dec 2017 #217

ANYONE who has called for Franken to resign has lost my support. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #218

I am soo pissed and hope there is something we don't know. bettyellen Dec 2017 #225

That is one of my biggest fears in all of this Egnever Dec 2017 #232

Yeah, the fact that none of this has to do with workplace stuff is maddening. bettyellen Dec 2017 #242

We will get a good replacement out of cilla4progress Dec 2017 #4

Disagree MFM008 Dec 2017 #7

Exactly flamingdem Dec 2017 #9

I foresee religious right demogogery against a Senator Ellison. Marcuse Dec 2017 #28

Bingo! ollie10 Dec 2017 #68

Franken is one of best attackers of the GOP flamingdem Dec 2017 #8

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #10

Yep. Been going on forever. Never standing their ground. Tired of the notdarkyet Dec 2017 #32

It's just a reminder that these people don't have a moral or ethical backbone in their body kcr Dec 2017 #37

yep! rainy Dec 2017 #202

Yep. It's so depressing. No one has our backs. No one. nt Nay Dec 2017 #244

It sure isn't zentrum Dec 2017 #133

And above all..... SergeStorms Dec 2017 #214

His authority and ability to critique Codeine Dec 2017 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author Cattledog Dec 2017 #16

So, we give in on the eternal game of chicken Bettie Dec 2017 #58

Honestly why bother voting...just keep making Democrats resign nadine_mn Dec 2017 #88

I was feeling hopeful with the Mueller indictments Bettie Dec 2017 #98

It's just getting to be too heartbreaking. We get our hopes up only to have them shattered again. smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #181

And, once that happens... regnaD kciN Dec 2017 #59

Yeah let's have Repubs dictate what we do SHRED Dec 2017 #83

Franken's answer Bibluca Dec 2017 #125

Works for me. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #135

Agreed! bettyellen Dec 2017 #206

That works for me also Bibluca, Welcome to DU Old Vet Dec 2017 #250

Yep, lets all just roll over and take it ONE more time...when does it end? Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #152

so glad you are in the minority questionseverything Dec 2017 #164

What? This rape, assault, incest, harassment survivor does not agree. 58Sunliner Dec 2017 #183

Absolutely correct. nt spotthebird Dec 2017 #197

There is no "pride" later after having joined a lynch mob WyLoochka Dec 2017 #228

We will never ever win a war on 3 fronts GusBob Dec 2017 #5

+1000000000000000000 notdarkyet Dec 2017 #36

well said Cosmocat Dec 2017 #47

here's an idea: tomp Dec 2017 #212

This will end cilla4progress Dec 2017 #11

No. There are very, very few as talented as Franken flamingdem Dec 2017 #17

JFC he's one person. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #13

The chances of getting someone as sharp, articulate, & outspoken as Franken are slim. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #23

"The chances of getting someone as sharp, articulate, & outspoken as Franken are slim." WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #25

I do bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #27

If you think he's the only one who could do the job, I'm pretty sure I can't convince you otherwise. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #31

You didn't offer up any names. bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #34

I know. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #42

there are plenty of people that could "do the job" NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #44

I'm more puzzled by dems who want him to resign without an inquiry. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #56

'optics' scipan Dec 2017 #162

But really all it did was make them look weak again. Egnever Dec 2017 #233

There are a few hundred democrats/progressives already in congress Cosmocat Dec 2017 #239

This . +10000000000000000000 notdarkyet Dec 2017 #40

Franken is the one who asked Sessions the question that got him recused More_Cowbell Dec 2017 #62

The GOP is playing to win Adrahil Dec 2017 #122

This OkieLib41 Dec 2017 #131

Yep, what is really going on? spotthebird Dec 2017 #198

Good week for Bannon... lame54 Dec 2017 #14

Exactly flamingdem Dec 2017 #18

That filthy, scabrous, seditious piece of shit annabanana Dec 2017 #48

Sam Seder too HootieMcBoob Dec 2017 #55

And there were people here cheering it on. n/t Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #126

THIS orangecrush Dec 2017 #90

Agree.. HipChick Dec 2017 #20

Agree grantcart Dec 2017 #21

No one sets up a circular firing squad as well as the Democratic Party. mac56 Dec 2017 #22

Jesus Christ on a Crutch - it isn't enough that the Rethugs regularly COLGATE4 Dec 2017 #156

This! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #182

At the rate things are going now Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #24

True! And if you don't have a skeleton the repugs will invent one flamingdem Dec 2017 #29

That's the way the Screw World Order is. HughBeaumont Dec 2017 #54

Even if you've never done anything wrong Bettie Dec 2017 #63

Yep. If we Dems knuckle under AGAIN, this time about Al Franken, Greybnk48 Dec 2017 #26

Remember when the Russian trolls were pushing riverwalker Dec 2017 #30

Democrats walking right into a trap set by repukes standingtall Dec 2017 #33

I agree elfin Dec 2017 #35

I am sick of this bhusar Dec 2017 #38

Make lemonade out of a lemon! yallerdawg Dec 2017 #39

YES! THAT GUY! ancianita Dec 2017 #208

Everybody who stands against the Trump cabal is a target. Turbineguy Dec 2017 #41

Attempts were made to paint Schiff as gay flamingdem Dec 2017 #49

Inuendo is enough. Turbineguy Dec 2017 #124

Is there something wrong about being gay? rusty fender Dec 2017 #146

Point they were trying to make is that he's married and secretly flamingdem Dec 2017 #147

Ok, context is everything rusty fender Dec 2017 #173

As a party, one of the Democrats' great strengths... Orrex Dec 2017 #43

The only resignation they should be calling for Mr.Bill Dec 2017 #45

The only way to fend off this shit is to elect women tapermaker Dec 2017 #46

At this point they're a lot of gain in saying he grabbed my whatever flamingdem Dec 2017 #51

This may not be a popular opinion. liberal_patriot_md Dec 2017 #220

Also possibly zero chance to impeach DT. BadgerKid Dec 2017 #50

There was never any chance to impeach Trump. Codeine Dec 2017 #112

Can't believe this is happening! DemKittyNC Dec 2017 #52

Fuck the Dems tapermaker Dec 2017 #57

Sure as shit they'll vote in a republican in that seat. The_Casual_Observer Dec 2017 #53

Who needs enemies . . . peggysue2 Dec 2017 #60

Who needs enemies alwaysinasnit Dec 2017 #120

This is getting ridiculous Lanius Dec 2017 #61

Same word I was going to use roscoeroscoe Dec 2017 #157

Pence! catchnrelease Dec 2017 #211

I just called Gillibrands office and told her secretary my feelings dhol82 Dec 2017 #64

Good for you! classof56 Dec 2017 #96

I just an email to Franken dhol82 Dec 2017 #129

Agreed wryter2000 Dec 2017 #65

These same Democratic senators will soon call... dchill Dec 2017 #66

When they go low, we go high. KPN Dec 2017 #67

Smells like party politics. PU. BootinUp Dec 2017 #69

Yes, am beginning to wonder what they've decided and why flamingdem Dec 2017 #75

I agree. n/t rainin Dec 2017 #71

I agree Jeroen Dec 2017 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Dec 2017 #73

Meanwhile,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Dec 2017 #74

Franken pales into comparison to Moore. cstanleytech Dec 2017 #76

Keep the GOP weapons loaded. That seems to be the goal for the democratic party. usaf-vet Dec 2017 #77

Just called Franken and Kamala Harris wryter2000 Dec 2017 #78

Thanks. I'm going to call her right now flamingdem Dec 2017 #80

Never. Franken should never step down. This silly Democratic Party makes a purist argument ancianita Dec 2017 #79

"Silly female Democratic party"?? whathehell Dec 2017 #188

Glad you caught that error. I meant "silly Democratic party." Yes. I'll edit. Thanks. ancianita Dec 2017 #193

Ok, good whathehell Dec 2017 #200

... ancianita Dec 2017 #201

Did Schumer call for his resignation too? whathehell Dec 2017 #203

He didn't. He'd better encourage the 35 tossers to allow an ethics hearing to get answers. ancianita Dec 2017 #204

That's good and yes, your suggestion is perfect whathehell Dec 2017 #207

Seriously? This is really the post you want to put up? StevieM Dec 2017 #191

No. Sorry. I've been beyond upset all day, and just blurt-typed. I made a correction. ancianita Dec 2017 #194

IMO dems often have a track record of F'ing things up to the advantage of the GOP. RKP5637 Dec 2017 #81

Next time the Republicans will be smarter and target a Dem, with an R governor. alarimer Dec 2017 #82

He knows if he did it or not askyagerz Dec 2017 #84

How about you act like you know the difference between inappropriate behavior and sexual predation. ancianita Dec 2017 #209

Surely the man knows if he did it or not askyagerz Dec 2017 #213

If he's guilty he needs to resign. Lunabell Dec 2017 #85

Republicans are scared of Franken, and that's why they've targeted him . . . MrModerate Dec 2017 #86

What I HOPE is going on is that the Dem senators The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #87

Do you think he can withstand all the pressure? flamingdem Dec 2017 #89

Yes, I think he can. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #91

If Franken is forced out, the Democrats really are committing suicide Dopers_Greed Dec 2017 #92

I've said it before kacekwl Dec 2017 #163

Sadly I often feel the same Egnever Dec 2017 #237

What's the point of an ethics investigation if they force Franken out? nadine_mn Dec 2017 #93

If the investigation finds him only deserving of censure, he can stay. And he should. ancianita Dec 2017 #210

The Circular Firing Squad Moral Compass Dec 2017 #94

Totally agree!!! nt avebury Dec 2017 #95

No kidding Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #97

Not now! mehrrh Dec 2017 #99

Its rat-fuck politics! nvme Dec 2017 #100

No shit. dalton99a Dec 2017 #101

Agree totally Pepsidog Dec 2017 #102

Agree 100%. When do the repubs start getting nailed? (nt) Paladin Dec 2017 #103

Democratic Battle Cry: BootinUp Dec 2017 #104

agreed. electron_blue Dec 2017 #105

WMDs in Iraq, Obama eats arugula, the IRS is after conservatives, Al Gore said, "I invented the ... Botany Dec 2017 #106

Yep. dalton99a Dec 2017 #107

Bullshit! SCVDem Dec 2017 #145

Sue Them Gymbo Dec 2017 #108

If he is forced out without doing anything wrong we are too weak to survive this. bullimiami Dec 2017 #109

This will not add one vote for the Dems. badhair77 Dec 2017 #111

Democratic women will be next to be accused.n/t delisen Dec 2017 #114

Didn't this party learn its lesson about purity politics in the 2016 presidential election? Efilroft Sul Dec 2017 #115

My biggest issue with this.... vi5 Dec 2017 #116

Worse than that. It's not just naively KPN Dec 2017 #153

I just don't know what to do any more... vi5 Dec 2017 #169

It is! KPN Dec 2017 #185

I sent a message to the party 47of74 Dec 2017 #117

Thanks for that, what is the best way to get through? flamingdem Dec 2017 #150

Absolutely! This is a right wing hit job for pecadillos. I've Alice11111 Dec 2017 #118

Should Franken resign, I hope no one is under the illusion that this will stop. hadEnuf Dec 2017 #119

When we quit letting even our own part samplegirl Dec 2017 #121

So Franken will resign and Moore/Trump not only go nowhere... mreilly Dec 2017 #123

This Lifelong Protester Dec 2017 #215

Vile republicans thrive on this crap MFM008 Dec 2017 #127

Agree+10000 zentrum Dec 2017 #128

AGREE !! pangaia Dec 2017 #130

Dear Senator Franken steventh Dec 2017 #132

I sent an email Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #134

Excellent. We need to flood him with support emails flamingdem Dec 2017 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #154

Thanks. I just did too. n/t scipan Dec 2017 #172

Merry Fucking Christmas Present, GOP, tied with a limp Democrat bow... Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #136

+1∅000000000000000 bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #137

I agree. This is a hit job and we're failing mountain grammy Dec 2017 #138

Just went to Franken's website xxqqqzme Dec 2017 #139

Did you put in your name and address? flamingdem Dec 2017 #155

I'm a CA voter xxqqqzme Dec 2017 #159

Late nite response. Emailed him this afternoon, included my address (not a MN resident), sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #224

AGREE! beaglelover Dec 2017 #140

I know! This is fucking scary! ananda Dec 2017 #141

+1 Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #142

It would not encourage any Republicans to resign. Just the opposite. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #143

I agree lillypaddle Dec 2017 #144

I just posted a please do not resign post on his fb page mnhtnbb Dec 2017 #148

Agree. They let the Repubs destroy ACORN, steal the election in 2000 and sinkingfeeling Dec 2017 #149

They stole the 2016 election too, through the Republican-controlled FBI. (eom) StevieM Dec 2017 #190

If Dems do this, we are toast. lark Dec 2017 #158

agree. i am so mad about this!! n/t orleans Dec 2017 #160

Yep kacekwl Dec 2017 #161

I hope Franken comes out and say he'll step down Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #165

Not so fast. Here's a message from Al Franken ffr Dec 2017 #166

This is why we have to call Franken here: (202) 224-5641 flamingdem Dec 2017 #167

Already done wryter2000 Dec 2017 #170

Zero tolerance XRubicon Dec 2017 #168

100% agreement. I'm glad it happened now ghostsinthemachine Dec 2017 #171

You mean 2020, I suspect as much as well flamingdem Dec 2017 #175

I am reminded of Yeats scipan Dec 2017 #174

we want trumps head for this! samnsara Dec 2017 #176

But 127 dems did not vote for that! flamingdem Dec 2017 #177

I respectfully disagree angrychair Dec 2017 #179

You don't know the facts, do you? Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #189

Eight women. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #222

One of them says he squeezed her side too hard during a picture oneis a birther. It could be ... uponit7771 Dec 2017 #238

Yes. At HER request, he gets in close to take a pic, and puts hand on her WAIST & grabs too hard. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #245

Really? Name them. And don't incl. the one that says he put his arm around her waist - groping. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #243

Its so obvious that its GOP sabotage. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #180

I agree! MojoWrkn Dec 2017 #184

So obviously a hit job for taking on Sessions. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #186

This is out of hand. All is lost. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #187

Yeah, I agree. Very sadly, but I agree. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #192

Yes, it shows lack of strategy and unity. They think it will get the female vote flamingdem Dec 2017 #195

They sure as shit won't get this female's vote. a la izquierda Dec 2017 #248

If Franken resigns expect sexual harassment allegations to be the new ratfucking tactic. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #196

I agree, and then I become an Independent. wisteria Dec 2017 #219

I agree Soxderrube Dec 2017 #221

Same with my senator - Kirsten Gillibrand. Rhiannon12866 Dec 2017 #223

It's a horrible thing to oust someone on hearsay. He should keep his seat. Let MN decide. YOHABLO Dec 2017 #226

If Al stays in, he'll be hit with this issue until 2020 Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #227

I don't think they'll gain much with that sharp stick, repugs don't care and independents aren't PC flamingdem Dec 2017 #230

in fact, have free and fair elections next year. LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #231

Election cheating is where the dems should be aiming their fire not as one of their best Senators flamingdem Dec 2017 #251

Kick. sarcasmo Dec 2017 #229

Agree nt Raine Dec 2017 #235

Trump and cronies will be blasting out that Franken would not have resigned if he wasnt guilty suffragette Dec 2017 #236

We need to rebuild zentrum Dec 2017 #240

Dems are playing long ball DownriverDem Dec 2017 #241

Totally agree. Hope he doesn't resign. Those supporting his resignation are despicable. harun Dec 2017 #246

This is so true Rene Dec 2017 #247

Totally agree! karin_sj Dec 2017 #249

Dems call on Mueller to resign. SansACause Dec 2017 #252