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Voltaire2

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15. So women should just turn the other cheek?

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:20 PM

Dec 2017

WTF. The point isn't that Franken's groping problem is just as bad as Moore's attraction to underage teenage women. If anyone is making that argument, they should stop because it is stupid.

The Democratic Party needs to take a clear stand in support of women. That means that we should not be hypocrites when one of our politicians is revealed to be an abuser. We shouldn't tolerate pederasts or gropers.

Moore is unacceptable. Trump is unacceptable. Conyers is unacceptable. Franken is unacceptable. We cannot do anything about Moore or Trump other then defeat them at the ballot box. We can clean our own house. We have to clean our own house.

If we don't, if we are going to be hypocrites, then Moore and Trump and the rest of the Republican abusers all get a free pass. We will have completely muddied the water on this issue.

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I am going to attempt to defend Al Franken without all the sexist garbage. [View all] boston bean Dec 2017 OP

Absolutely right. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #1

K and fucking R..... dhill926 Dec 2017 #2

K&R, the false equivalency shit is nerve racking !! uponit7771 Dec 2017 #3

Republicans abound in false equivalencies Stargleamer Dec 2017 #4

it's all enabled by 1500 radio stations we ignore certainot Dec 2017 #60

Agree. And thats assuming that the allegations are true. spooky3 Dec 2017 #5

Yeah, someone tried to float how strangers at a bar are the same- not as bosses or powerful men bettyellen Dec 2017 #13

Sing it, sister! Mme. Defarge Dec 2017 #6

Damn right. I've been trying to get this across all day. hlthe2b Dec 2017 #7

I am not minimizing the issue but damn all women need to understand boston bean Dec 2017 #12

Did you mean "no man of the democratic pursuation will survive this". CincyDem Dec 2017 #14

That is on them. I dont want to become them. boston bean Dec 2017 #18

K&R SalviaBlue Dec 2017 #8

The wisdom of this OP GaryCnf Dec 2017 #9

None of the allegations against Franken have been proven. yardwork Dec 2017 #10

I agree. SergeStorms Dec 2017 #41

Please don't leave our arena here. You frame these issues perfectly and they need to go viral. ancianita Dec 2017 #62

Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #11

So women should just turn the other cheek? Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #15

No. I dont think I said that. Can you show me where you came up with that? boston bean Dec 2017 #17

Why wasn't there a hue and cry when John Conyers was forced to resign? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #20

Unfortunately for Conyers, the accusations are much more credible. Lucky Luciano Dec 2017 #24

There was one settlement for $27,000.00. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #27

There were multiple identified accusers who worked spooky3 Dec 2017 #31

Credibility and reasonableness are jury questions. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #34

The court of public opinion matters. Read the WaPo article spooky3 Dec 2017 #35

His actions were deplorable. I don't believe his denials. I believe his accusers. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #37

No! peggysue2 Dec 2017 #43

Nobody has a right to touch another person's buttocks or breasts without their permission. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #46

Never said it was trivial peggysue2 Dec 2017 #50

I empathize with Al Franken. Maybe in a different environment he keeps his job. (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #52

Amen BlueIdaho Dec 2017 #49

He may have vociferously denied it - Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #29

Don't look now.... SergeStorms Dec 2017 #44

Exactly right. nt dflprincess Dec 2017 #16

Well said. n/t LuckyCharms Dec 2017 #19

E-mail Al Franken elleng Dec 2017 #21

Done! catchnrelease Dec 2017 #25

Done - my message: klook Dec 2017 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Tbear Dec 2017 #22

That is just not helpful and not what is going to happen. boston bean Dec 2017 #23

You said it perfectly. Agree 100% rainy Dec 2017 #26

very well done. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #28

Al Franken isnt being punished brooklynite Dec 2017 #30

I see lots of distinctions. I thought that was obvious in the OP. boston bean Dec 2017 #33

Look at Donalds treestar Dec 2017 #54

PERFECT. ancianita Dec 2017 #32

Good OP BostonBean aikoaiko Dec 2017 #36

Since 14/16 women Senators signed the statement, I'm starting to wonder pnwmom Dec 2017 #39

And we can and should wait for that. sir pball Dec 2017 #47

Not according to Senator Hirono. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #48

Yep kcr Dec 2017 #53

She's not contradicting the idea. We don't know why she thinks it's time, do we? n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #59

If we don't know Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #67

Damn fuckin dumb asss' uponit7771 Dec 2017 #65

"If they possibly know more about what he might have done than we do." LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #57

I would agree if I hadn't seen first hand how spineless our Dems in Congress can be ... mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #58

Every post on DU against Al Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #68

Its pretty much all or nothing. snort Dec 2017 #40

Yep. I agree Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #42

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2017 #45

Ah...just looking at threads you can see the opposing Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2017 #51

Is it possible that Dems purity test going forward to NoMoreRepugs Dec 2017 #55

A mistake Morris64 Dec 2017 #56

No it it not. boston bean Dec 2017 #61

Id take it easy on the well actually type of posts if youre not going to proofread your own. Morris64 Dec 2017 #66

Proportional response and degrees of difference LanternWaste Dec 2017 #63

BB, you've never been more right! rock Dec 2017 #64