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The Velveteen Ocelot

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14. I believe he is entitled to the ethics investigation he requested.

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:24 AM

Dec 2017

I do not believe that anonymous complaints should be given much credence, and I also believe Leeann Tweeden's complaint is suspect because it was aided and abetted by Roger Stone and Sean Hannity. I think women's complaints should be taken seriously but they should be subjected to scrutiny just as much as any other allegation of wrongdoing. I do not believe anyone should be driven from office on the basis of completely unscrutinized allegations, which is why the investigation should go forward. If the investigation substantiates a pattern of wrongdoing, then there should be some consequences, to be determined by the Senate. Otherwise, yes, my vote is important. He is effectively the employee of the voters of Minnesota, and as it stands right now, nobody gets to "fire" him but us.

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What did Franken do [View all] KT2000 Dec 2017 OP

It's not what he did. It's that the Democrats in the Senate The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #1

Don't they understand that a zero tolerance policy opens them all up to attacks? unitedwethrive Dec 2017 #12

It is also hypocrisy -esp those who oppose zero tolerance delisen Dec 2017 #61

That's it it is all a political calculation, the Democrats think sacrificing doc03 Dec 2017 #29

They find that they experience blowback if their avebury Dec 2017 #56

What did he do? dflprincess Dec 2017 #2

The only thing I can think of that Franken did was ,... Jimbo101 Dec 2017 #3

Roger Stone choreographed the whole thing. FuzzyRabbit Dec 2017 #9

?? orleans Dec 2017 #34

I dont quite get it, either. TDale313 Dec 2017 #4

So when does zero tolerance apply to Republicans? ollie10 Dec 2017 #58

Political expedient maybe-just seeing 2018 as savior year delisen Dec 2017 #59

Not sure I agree that being against sexual harassment TDale313 Dec 2017 #64

The Dem principle I was referring to: Due Process delisen Dec 2017 #65

There is no difference between "unwanted flirtation" and predatory behavior. Gravitycollapse Dec 2017 #5

The issue isn't whether the behavior is acceptable; it's what the penalty should be. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #6

Resigning from office isn't ending his life. We aren't throwing him in prison. Gravitycollapse Dec 2017 #7

We DO NOT want him out of office. I am a Minnesota resident, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #10

Are you even remotely concerned at all for the women who have accused Franken? Gravitycollapse Dec 2017 #11

Are you concerned about women Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #13

Yeah, I've definitely spoken out against Roy Moore. Gravitycollapse Dec 2017 #15

No, I didn't think that your answer would be no Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #19

Thanks for this. I think you have made the argument but I fear the momentum may push him out. jakesblues Dec 2017 #43

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2017 #49

Exactly! His alledged offenses are on a completely different level than alledged offenses OhioBlue Dec 2017 #17

Well said! dhol82 Dec 2017 #27

+1, I pray he doesn't resign seeing the huge amount of conflation uponit7771 Dec 2017 #50

I believe he is entitled to the ethics investigation he requested. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #14

not Tweeden KT2000 Dec 2017 #21

then there's this: orleans Dec 2017 #36

and this orleans Dec 2017 #37

Of course but I'm concerned with due process also one doesn't override the other uponit7771 Dec 2017 #48

And we are??? JeaneRaye Dec 2017 #25

About 50% of Democratic voters... Gravitycollapse Dec 2017 #26

Politico? Really? JeaneRaye Dec 2017 #45

"We want him out of office"?! Collimator Dec 2017 #39

Half of Democratic voters want him gone... Gravitycollapse Dec 2017 #40

Yeah, you forgot this little part "66 percent of voters said the ethics panel should probe Frankens uponit7771 Dec 2017 #51

Isn't it Minnesota's choice? LakeVermilion Dec 2017 #55

To whom? thx in advance uponit7771 Dec 2017 #47

I guess that should be part KT2000 Dec 2017 #18

Or, you know, they could pose for photos and not inappropriately grab women... Gravitycollapse Dec 2017 #20

they would have to show their hands KT2000 Dec 2017 #22

And there's the problem. We don't trust women to not lie. Gravitycollapse Dec 2017 #24

You know, you cant have it both ways dhol82 Dec 2017 #30

Tweeden lied KT2000 Dec 2017 #38

Are those who state that accusation equals guilt secret predators? delisen Dec 2017 #60

Been wondering same thing... fairfaxvadem Dec 2017 #8

Good question. dhol82 Dec 2017 #33

He calls for higher taxes on billionaires... lostnfound Dec 2017 #16

Eight victims. fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #23

How many are anonymous? nt doc03 Dec 2017 #32

Due process uponit7771 Dec 2017 #53

how many are Russians? how many are Roger Stone? ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #62

How many women have come forward about Donald Trump? I'll wait. YOHABLO Dec 2017 #28

So, you have convicted him of the accusations? Maybe wait until he speaks first. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #31

HaHaHa jakesblues Dec 2017 #44

"What did Franken do?" is the topic. See above OP. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #46

exactly- at the worst Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #35

Exactly! Dems are playing into the wingers hands. Duppers Dec 2017 #41

+1, he deserves due process not pile ons uponit7771 Dec 2017 #54

Zero tolerance, with Franken as a scapegoat goat to prove the point. wisteria Dec 2017 #42

Also, I'm not sure that a lot of those accusations happened. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #52

A reporter was talking about this on NPR earlier today Shrek Dec 2017 #57

great plan ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #63