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Shemp Howard

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Thu Dec 7, 2017, 03:54 AM Dec 2017

I believe Al Franken's accusers... [View all]

...and I think that he should NOT resign.

As to my first statement, I believe Al Franken's accusers because:

1. That is my default position in cases like this. False accusations can cause great harm. I acknowledge that. Nevertheless, my default position is to believe the accuser.
2. The so-called groping picture. It is what it is. A 50+ year old man behaving very inappropriately.
3. There are just too many women coming forward, anonymous or not.

As to my second statement, I believe Al Franken should NOT resign because:

1. Franken's transgressions (if true) are relatively minor. Yes, they are upsetting. And they should not be tolerated. But we are not talking rape, attempted rape, gross indecency, theft of public funds, bribery, or anything like that. Any of those charges would warrant a resignation, or an expulsion. Patting someone's butt is wrong, but it is not close to that level.
2. Franken quickly apologized for any wrong he might of done. His apology seemed genuine, very genuine.
3. A resignation invalidates an election. Such a thing should happen in only the most extreme of cases.

So here's my suggestion:

The Senate should pass a resolution of reprimand, chastising Franken for certain past behavior. Don't get it all tied up with Moore, Trump, etc. Those are truly separate issues. Just pass a resolution of reprimand. Franken is a stand-up guy. I'd bet he'd even vote for that resolution. Then let's all move on.

(Not that anyone noticed, but I haven't posted for a long time. I'm still in shock from the 2016 election. But this over-kill directed at Franken has me really upset. The punishment should fit the crime. Accept a reprimand Al; don't resign!)









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I believe Al Franken's accusers... [View all] Shemp Howard Dec 2017 OP
gee before he is condemned perhaps u might agree to a hearing of some sort? nt msongs Dec 2017 #1
I don't believe a hearing is necessary. Shemp Howard Dec 2017 #2
A reprimand before he even gets heard? Egnever Dec 2017 #3
Think of it this way. Shemp Howard Dec 2017 #5
I hear you but Egnever Dec 2017 #8
I believe its also important to note LakeVermilion Dec 2017 #14
Believing anonymous accusers. ... Du circling the drain. Nm bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #4
It's not an easy call. Shemp Howard Dec 2017 #6
Ya, its despicable beyond belief. I was sexually abused as arthritisR_US Dec 2017 #9
craig caught in bathroom trying to have sex Maraya1969 Dec 2017 #7
He shouldn't resign jovi Dec 2017 #10
A tongue in cheek solution. Arkansas Granny Dec 2017 #11
Thats more or less where I sit, but without a reprimand Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #12
Never blindly support all accusers; specially in this current political environment. democratisphere Dec 2017 #13
According to Tom Arnold on twitter who is friends OliverQ Dec 2017 #15
I don't know what to believe with complete certainty. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #16
There should be no default position treestar Dec 2017 #17
And if someone anonymously accuses you... should you lose your job, your life? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #18
Your default position should never be to automatically believe the accuser. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #19
Well stated! LAS14 Dec 2017 #22
In recent weeks, people have insisted we should revisit the claims of Juanita Broaddrick... Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #23
I agree PDittie Dec 2017 #20
I agree almost with everything. LAS14 Dec 2017 #21
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