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Thu Dec 7, 2017, 08:54 AM

Dec 2017

I will always vote a straight Dem ticket - unless they go completely bat-shit crazy but I refuse to give any more of my hard earned money to help support them ever again. They are not ALL working for us. Already their actions on calling for Senator Franken to resign shows they have either been bought out or are just too gutless or worse case scenario they are just completely stupid and too ignorant to see when a GOP funded propaganda stunt like this is targeting their own. Instead of fighting it just caving in thinking they are taking a high moral road.

See how far that will get them in 2018 if they keep eating their own.

We wouldn't be in this mess if they grew a backbone and stood up and defended their party and positions more. Instead we have Nazis in the White House and soon to be Pedo in the Senate. A Sexual Predator for a damn President and no where is anyone holding them accountable for their sex crimes! But yeah, sure, lets throw Franken under the bus. Why not?

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There is only one argument in support of Franken [View all] HopeAgain Dec 2017 OP

K&R NCTraveler Dec 2017 #1

How does the "moral high ground" include convicting a person without due process? MoonRiver Dec 2017 #2

Who has been convicted? NCTraveler Dec 2017 #4

Franken deserves his case to be reviewed by the ethics committee. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #6

Seems like the most reasonable way to take the charges seriously AND... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #45

Sen. Frankens Job Includes Rights... BlueIdaho Dec 2017 #102

What you said. Amaryllis Dec 2017 #108

That is HIS decision to make -- no one can force him to resign without due process karynnj Dec 2017 #103

He is not being convicted in a court room Perseus Dec 2017 #56

The people are anonymous to us. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #63

Prove it. You are willing to subvert the votes of the people of Minnesota based on some reporters? Thor_MN Dec 2017 #89

Do I have to teach a fucking class on how journalism works? Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #91

Welcome to 2017, oldtimer. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #95

Gramps? Im 37. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #97

You talk like you are out of the 1940s. If you are 37, you are deluded, or have an agenda. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #98

Does Moore deserve due process HopeAgain Dec 2017 #11

Yes MoonRiver Dec 2017 #23

Okay, then you are consistent HopeAgain Dec 2017 #28

Why? hadEnuf Dec 2017 #33

I like to think we live by the rule of law, and not mob mentality. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #38

Mob mentality is judging a 9 year senator with a proven track record by the same standards used for hadEnuf Dec 2017 #75

Well, I totally agree, and don't know why you responded to me with that post. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #90

Moore is running for an election - the voters become a jury. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #93

That's beween Moore and The GOP. rainlillie Dec 2017 #43

OF COURSE !! Why is this a question ?! The issue is he's already lied twice and admitted to asking.. uponit7771 Dec 2017 #46

I think Republicans should reject him Saviolo Dec 2017 #62

McConnell has said if he gets elected he will face an ethics investigation. notdarkyet Dec 2017 #92

I will also listen to the argument that the allegations are credible Jarqui Dec 2017 #3

.... DemKittyNC Dec 2017 #5

That is nonsense...an unproven allegation made about a very effective senator...and Hannity and Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #7

Groping women HopeAgain Dec 2017 #14

Unproven allegations...I have a problem with ruining someone's career over Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #17

I agree that we can question the sllegations HopeAgain Dec 2017 #22

but it is...and it is up the people involved to handle it. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #26

Great points, it's as if some people have forgotten how lowdown rainlillie Dec 2017 #44

It is bullshit. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #47

Ill make that argument... TCJ70 Dec 2017 #8

+100,000 oasis Dec 2017 #9

agree n/t n2doc Dec 2017 #32

Agree 100% Va Lefty Dec 2017 #42

Also, this only serves to trivialize abuse and Mme. Defarge Dec 2017 #52

There has to be more here. The Senate is a club. Franken must not have made friends with the club. FarCenter Dec 2017 #10

Nope...the Senate Democratic leaders are making a huge mistake for purity...I have Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #18

Politicians? Purity? No, they must despise Franken for other reasons. Maybe his ex-comedian persona. FarCenter Dec 2017 #41

I wouldn't be surprised if they dislike him also because Rabrrrrrr Dec 2017 #104

Which allegations are not credible. Jim__ Dec 2017 #12

From Tweedens My Space page all those years ago. She didn't have a problem POSTING this... Bengus81 Dec 2017 #16

What about due process? YessirAtsaFact Dec 2017 #13

He is entitled to it HopeAgain Dec 2017 #15

No we are not...there is no due process one can attain for Moore...and the voters will decide. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #21

When did Moore ask for due process, and when spooky3 Dec 2017 #25

Exactly. (I'm being most redundant this morning.) Duppers Dec 2017 #29

Franken can get due process HopeAgain Dec 2017 #34

So youre not able to answer my question. spooky3 Dec 2017 #35

Precisely! Franken is the ONLY one who has asked luvtheGWN Dec 2017 #39

EXACTLY!! Duppers Dec 2017 #27

Yes, he suggested an investigation, why not let him have it? whathehell Dec 2017 #37

K&R. NT Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #19

Do you really want more reasons? ollie10 Dec 2017 #20

Reason 8 chills me to the bone. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #24

I would put all your arguments except 7 HopeAgain Dec 2017 #31

I support a Senate investigation ollie10 Dec 2017 #36

Well said. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #50

Due Process is the moral high ground delisen Dec 2017 #30

How about another argument? rainin Dec 2017 #40

We're not in a backlash because moral high ground isn't right. Our problem is to make sure it WINS. ancianita Dec 2017 #48

There we go again! Comparing Moore to Franken. R B Garr Dec 2017 #49

I am comparing arguments, not people HopeAgain Dec 2017 #73

Any way you look at it, the arguments are not R B Garr Dec 2017 #82

So the only time Franken should resign is if he committed HopeAgain Dec 2017 #99

Well, I just saw Corey Lewandowski on MSNBC say that Franken was R B Garr Dec 2017 #100

Without an Ethics Committee investigation SHRED Dec 2017 #51

Exactly. In a decent political world, taking the high road would pressure Republicans to do the same mn9driver Dec 2017 #57

I don't think it is hypocritical to talk about the degree of offense. femmedem Dec 2017 #53

The allegations should be investigated IronLionZion Dec 2017 #54

Whatever happened to the idea that the Ethics Committee would look at it? Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #55

Yeah. Orsino Dec 2017 #58

Completely disagree Moral Compass Dec 2017 #59

So how do you disagree with me? HopeAgain Dec 2017 #64

Nice black and white view you got there rock Dec 2017 #60

your position would be correct if the situations were equivalent, but they are not fishwax Dec 2017 #61

I didn't say they were equivalent HopeAgain Dec 2017 #67

you said "everything (other than the charges aren't credible) is hypocrisy" fishwax Dec 2017 #94

Maybe I do assume that groping women without their HopeAgain Dec 2017 #96

I hear what you're saying, so I'm sure you'll agree that the calls for Franken to resign PatrickforO Dec 2017 #65

NO, I don't agree with the calls to resign HopeAgain Dec 2017 #71

Too bad Franken's apology added cred to the allegations, huh? Joe941 Dec 2017 #66

I disagree Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #68

No, we can't agree that the allegations are credible dansolo Dec 2017 #87

We've been speeding the degradation of politics along for a long time. KPN Dec 2017 #69

Not true. FIRST is..claimants must NOT be anonymous, & claims can be seen & heard by public. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #70

An anonymous allegation is not credible HopeAgain Dec 2017 #72

Exactly. "Anonymous" doesn't warrant serious consideration. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #77

You have that right...and the right to be wrong Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #74

EXACTLY why this is so frustrating Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #76

Perfect argument and you did not have to cede any moral position HopeAgain Dec 2017 #78

If one denies the difference of degrees and applies the hobgoblin of little minds LanternWaste Dec 2017 #79

Zero tolerance is zero common sense (from another post). nt LAS14 Dec 2017 #80

At this point I agree... sagesnow Dec 2017 #83

Franken should resign as soon as Moore and Trump do, not before... TalenaGor Dec 2017 #84

It should not be dependent on Moore and Trump... califootman Dec 2017 #106

The allegations are not credible wryter2000 Dec 2017 #85

If we don't adhere to our principles when it hurts, then what are we? Blue_true Dec 2017 #86

Franken 110liberal Dec 2017 #88

Due process. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #101

They're railroading Franken for the same reason that nothing got done during Obama's first year Rabrrrrrr Dec 2017 #105

No there is at least one other strong argument. Anyone should have the right pnwmom Dec 2017 #107