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Tom Rinaldo

(23,192 posts)
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:35 AM Dec 2017

I am willing to believe that Franken might be guilty of highly inappropriate behavior with women [View all]

I am willing to accept that if he is guilty of highly inappropriate behavior with women that he should leave the Senate. I am even wiling to accept that, in the realm of politics, the standard for asking for someone to resign, either from their office or their candidacy for office, is not as strict as the criminal standard for a conviction; guilt beyond any reasonable doubt. A preponderance of the evidence could suffice.

What I am not willing to accept though is ending someone's political career based on a small handful of anonymous allegations of sexual impropriety that have not been either thoroughly vetted or formally investigated. From what I can tell the women who have publicly and openly made allegations against Frankel have not brought forward charges serious enough to warrant his immediate removal from elected office. An investigation, yes. Summary removal, no. But now it seems to have become a mere numbers count, with automatic removal from office triggered once some tipping point of allegations is reached.

In many cases women have good reason to be hesitant to allow their identify to become known to the public when they lodge complaints against powerful men. I understand that, but I feel that the Washington Post and NY Times have shown us all how that can and should be handled. Those media outfits did not print stories of that sort without first engaging in extensive background research to corroborate the statements of the women making allegations - from contemporary sources who were told about the alleged serious incidents at the times. In fact, it was by doing exactly that that the Washington Post just busted a woman who tried to entrap the newspaper into false reporting that would have discredited their overall efforts in this area. That is why the charges against Judge Moore are so damning - not just the nature of the allegations themselves (which as he claims could have been a political hit job) but the thorough sourcing for them and the corroborating evidence that establishes the likelihood that Moore was guilty as charged.

There may be more about the Franken story that some Democrats in Congress know about that we in the mere public do not. If so, they were obligated to reveal the extent of their concerns, and the basis for it, to the voters who elected Franken to office before calling on him to resign. To call this means for ending a political career a slippery slope is a huge understatement. It is a trap door that can be triggered at any time against any elected official in order to get an adversary out of the political way.



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Well said SHRED Dec 2017 #1
Senator Al Franken... Zoonart Dec 2017 #2
Absolutely! hurple Dec 2017 #6
Agreed. Volaris Dec 2017 #17
Well Said! ollie10 Dec 2017 #3
well stated dsc Dec 2017 #4
The behavior of the Democratic Party leadership in this matter is mind boggling. mn9driver Dec 2017 #5
👆🏾This. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #15
THIS! calimary Dec 2017 #27
I'm in total agreement with you. Texin Dec 2017 #31
Exactly. The Democrats have just created a blueprint for the GOP Demit Dec 2017 #7
Well, not anybody. Dave Starsky Dec 2017 #19
It's a classic play. Texin Dec 2017 #32
The term originated earlier than that. Demit Dec 2017 #42
Bernie Sanders: Al Franken Resigning Is The Right Thing To Do oberliner Dec 2017 #8
That puts him among the overwhelming majority of the Democratic caucus, and the DNC leadership Tom Rinaldo Dec 2017 #10
It occurs to me that if all we need in this world is to act with decisiveness, we wouldn't Demit Dec 2017 #22
Your point is taken and agreed with Tom Rinaldo Dec 2017 #23
Bernie gets a High Road refrigerator magnet. mn9driver Dec 2017 #11
Bernie is in a lose - lose position Locrian Dec 2017 #30
Thank you for sagesnow Dec 2017 #9
You are welcome Tom Rinaldo Dec 2017 #12
Even the two who were not anonymous were very fishy. ananda Dec 2017 #13
thoughtful scipan Dec 2017 #14
Agree completely. maddiemom Dec 2017 #37
Is there something we're not being told? MissKat Dec 2017 #16
YES! I've thought the same. Is there something MORE that we don't know? (n/t) maddiemom Dec 2017 #38
"made allegations against Frankel" geardaddy Dec 2017 #18
It's a typo. Correct in other places... Tom Rinaldo Dec 2017 #20
No problem. geardaddy Dec 2017 #24
I dont think so. wisteria Dec 2017 #21
And I'm not. Iggo Dec 2017 #25
I said "might". I haven't seen the evidence either. n/t Tom Rinaldo Dec 2017 #26
Thank you for calling it inappropriate behavior... I really don't see this rising to the word secondwind Dec 2017 #28
You have all failed, Senators. Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #29
Al Franken's forced resignation pazzyanne Dec 2017 #40
we eat our own orleans Dec 2017 #33
I agree. A sad day. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #34
Thanks for your wise statement, Tom, elleng Dec 2017 #35
The charges brought forward aren't serious (or credible) enough to earn Franken . . . MrModerate Dec 2017 #36
This is my first post and I feel like the mainstream media outlets has not reported this... Jan Levinson Dec 2017 #39
An excellent post. Thank you Tom Rinaldo Dec 2017 #41
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