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Maeve

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87. The Mayor of Jerusalem disagrees with you

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:16 AM

Dec 2017

Just listened to him talking on BBC Radio and he said that the city will never be divided now as it has always been the property of the Jewish people (not Israeli, but Jewish, his words not mine) and this step by tRump acknowledges that. When asked about the 1/3 of the city that are Palestinian, he brushed that aside as unimportant and repeated that it was given to the Jewish people. He also said every faith is welcome, but denied that anyone had lost residency papers when asked pointedly about those reports from a BBC person on the ground.

Overall, it would appear that the US is no longer an even-handed broker in the discussion, having unilaterally chosen a side in this major debate. Maybe it will work out, but there is already a call for another intifada. Not the best time to book a tour of the Holy Land.

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OK. I'm a little dense. Why is recognizing Jerusalem as capital so terrible? [View all] maveric Dec 2017 OP

I really don't know myself except that this has been a right wing thing for years now. CTyankee Dec 2017 #1

All parties in Israel support Jerusalem as the capital. former9thward Dec 2017 #19

Thank you for the explanation. I feel kinda stupid...I thought it was Tel Aviv... CTyankee Dec 2017 #20

The controversary is that Palestinians also claim portions of Jerusalem. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #38

Thanks. maveric Dec 2017 #21

Also important to note Alea Dec 2017 #24

Very good, succinct summing up. nt marybourg Dec 2017 #27

Very well put leftynyc Dec 2017 #31

And the Israeli Government is STILL holding the land, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #51

Yes they did strike first Alea Dec 2017 #60

International Law disagrees with you. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #88

While the people in the World Court and UN sit in their little bubble Alea Dec 2017 #96

A nice framing of the preferred narrative in support of the Israeli Government. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #97

I think this is where we just agree to disagree Alea Dec 2017 #98

I would never assume anything of you. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #99

Israel IS stealing land and displacing Palestinians - who claim East Jerusalem as THEIR capital. chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #59

Well maybe the Palestinians shouldn't have sided with Egypt Alea Dec 2017 #70

Please don't let leftynyc Dec 2017 #72

They? The people who rejected the state 70 years ago are mostly dead. Mariana Dec 2017 #91

Yes, because there is nothing stopping leftynyc Dec 2017 #92

Well, yes. Alea Dec 2017 #95

Wow. Oh, back at you. If you refuse to recognize the the theft and removal of Palestinians chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #74

I leterally just returned from Israel... Adrahil Dec 2017 #76

Thank you for sharing your fresh and truthful insights. So many here refuse to see what Israel chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #84

Nothing I have said comes from, or has, any reference to the Bible Alea Dec 2017 #89

You've had some very good posts ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #101

The problem is the definition of "Jerusalem" karynnj Dec 2017 #66

Theres a difference between what Saudi Arabia says for public consumption Calista241 Dec 2017 #79

Good points karynnj Dec 2017 #82

No one said that. treestar Dec 2017 #75

Then where is its capital? former9thward Dec 2017 #85

Maybe it would have been judicious treestar Dec 2017 #100

Maybe it would have been better to designate Chicago as our capital. former9thward Dec 2017 #104

Because both Israel and Palestine claim it as their own blogslut Dec 2017 #2

It's mostly... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #3

And for some reason God mercuryblues Dec 2017 #10

It's true... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #13

I mean... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #14

They're pro Israel, leftynyc Dec 2017 #33

Thank you... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #45

Only 144,000 Jews can convert,according to the rapture folklore. arthritisR_US Dec 2017 #50

Ya think the Jews would know that the insane American Christians Iliyah Dec 2017 #57

It's about rebuilding the temple for the third time Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #4

The Arabs did not respect your "tradition" of being a shared city. former9thward Dec 2017 #23

Thank you leftynyc Dec 2017 #35

Oh please, Israel is an apartheid state, stealing land and livelihoods from the Palestinians. chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #61

I see you're leftynyc Dec 2017 #71

You're making a lot of mistaken assumptions about my beliefs. I see you. chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #73

I'm looking at what leftynyc Dec 2017 #81

You are blaming the victims, turning a blind eye to how they have been driven out of their homes and chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #83

Not until the Palestinian issue is dealt with Maeve Dec 2017 #5

It doesnt negate anything. Calista241 Dec 2017 #80

The Mayor of Jerusalem disagrees with you Maeve Dec 2017 #87

Getting in the middle of religious turf battles. Dem_4_Life Dec 2017 #6

That's pretty much the way I've seen it too, at least the most simple explanation. I'm not an RKP5637 Dec 2017 #9

Here's a very good explanation of the situation. enough Dec 2017 #7

+1, n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #11

Thanks. nolabear Dec 2017 #32

And naturally the Palestinians leftynyc Dec 2017 #36

what would happen if bdamomma Dec 2017 #37

Haven't seen Juan Cole cited around here for some time. Fozzledick Dec 2017 #42

No words. Juan Cole doesn't hate - he is one of the few truth-tellers about the Middle East. chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #62

+1, I also heard a flippancy in Trump's explanation today that this is just R B Garr Dec 2017 #48

Thank you. Snackshack Dec 2017 #53

There is no one who hates Hillary Clinton more than Juan Cole (the author of this piece) oberliner Dec 2017 #56

One terrible thing gratuitous Dec 2017 #8

makes it harder to be a moderate in the middle east dembotoz Dec 2017 #12

It is recognized as a universal city for three religions and as the current custodian Israel grantcart Dec 2017 #15

"Change the racial mix of the city". Sounds rather benign. Forced removal, you mean? chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #86

Issuing permits for Jewish settlers, see Nof Zion. grantcart Dec 2017 #106

So...ethnic cleansing. Dirty bastards. chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #107

Generally speaking "ethnic cleansing" means that you are grantcart Dec 2017 #108

In word or deed? Bottom line same. Ethnic cleansing. chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #109

Because Palastinians matter. nt Tavarious Jackson Dec 2017 #16

Both sides claim Jerusalem...this will cause a bloodbath and ends any Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #17

I have never understood this issue myself. logosoco Dec 2017 #18

To paraphrase Bartcop (r.i.p.), just zealots fighting and dying over "holy dirt" Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #34

because three different mythologies claim it as their #1 holy location snooper2 Dec 2017 #22

Jerusalem is the third holiest place in Islam. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author grossproffit Dec 2017 #46

It's not. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. grossproffit Dec 2017 #25

It's about moving the American Embassy to Jerusalem. Lil Missy Dec 2017 #26

Jerusalem is Israel and Israel is Jerusalem. grossproffit Dec 2017 #30

I know you're not trying to sound that way Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #43

Like Paris is France and France is Paris? grossproffit Dec 2017 #47

Not even close to the same thing. Adrahil Dec 2017 #78

Jerusalem is about Jesus and Mohammed, too. A unique problem. kwassa Dec 2017 #65

Abbas didn't mention Jews at all. Only Arab Christians and Muslims in his speech. grossproffit Dec 2017 #69

How about some more facts leftynyc Dec 2017 #41

That's about what I got out of it, too. It was more about moving the Embassy to R B Garr Dec 2017 #49

Except your post isn't factual. Mosby Dec 2017 #63

I answered the OP, which I stand by. You can take further debate to the appropriate forum. Lil Missy Dec 2017 #68

It's not leftynyc Dec 2017 #29

All you need to know is if Trump supports it, it's bad. Initech Dec 2017 #39

Jerusalem as capital of Israel has been the official position of the Democratic Party for years. onenote Dec 2017 #44

Thanks for the post ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #52

Evangelical Fundies expect that when Jerusalem is capitol of Israel, the Rapture will happen. irisblue Dec 2017 #40

Have u ever heard of the crusades? BootinUp Dec 2017 #54

That crossed my mind. maveric Dec 2017 #94

Simple Egnever Dec 2017 #55

It's sacred ground to Muslims, Christians and MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #58

It's not. Mosby Dec 2017 #64

Because Trump's Religous Bigots want Christ to return to the Lint Head Dec 2017 #67

Well it's important because MyNameGoesHere Dec 2017 #77

Iffen ya do, more people get dead. Iggo Dec 2017 #90

Because the Israeli line is "Jerusalem UNDIVIDED is our capitol" Azathoth Dec 2017 #93

any support for that claim? ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #102

lol, the word of the Israeli prime minister isn't good enough for you? Azathoth Dec 2017 #105

Here's a good explanation: muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #110