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11. It will come back to bite them even worse than previous similar mistakes made by Democrats.

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:33 PM

Dec 2017

I've seen this sort of group think before among Democrats: the Reagan tax cuts of the 1980's that ballooned the deficit and provided the rationale for the shredding of the social safety net, the 2nd-Amendment-violating and ineffective Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, the early 2000's innuendo against ACORN (not to mention the Swiftboat nonsense against John Kerry), and now this witch trial of Franken. On every one of these issues, Democrats pre-emptively folded on the wrong side of the matter and then suffered entirely predictable and avoidable (had they employed a lick of common sense) consequences.

As far as I am concerned, Democrats just surrendered 2018 and 2020. Why am I expected to slavishly support their continued incompetence as a condition of posting here?

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Gillibrand, Harris, Perez, Warren, Sanders and the rest [View all] lunamagica Dec 2017 OP

Im with you, lunamagica. Polly Hennessey Dec 2017 #1

Thank you, Polly lunamagica Dec 2017 #2

Any room left on that bench? sarge43 Dec 2017 #42

*This* ananda Dec 2017 #144

Please! The more the merrier. And they will bitterly regret what they did today lunamagica Dec 2017 #178

Yes they will sarge43 Dec 2017 #180

It's a sad day for Democrats. ChiTownDenny Dec 2017 #80

Won't happen. You watch. lark Dec 2017 #116

That is how I feel. ananda Dec 2017 #145

I will send $$ to any Dem who primaries her. lark Dec 2017 #158

I agree Rene Dec 2017 #204

So far only Bernie Sanders has called for Trump's resignation Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #131

No he is not the only one. Maybe the only one that made the news headline. Wwcd Dec 2017 #134

Who else has? Bettie Dec 2017 #241

Good for Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #156

The GOP/deplorables only care about winning & power bigbrother05 Dec 2017 #164

Me too! So stinking mad at Gillibrand, Warren and the lot! MojoWrkn Dec 2017 #195

1000pc w u 2, Lunamagica Alice11111 Dec 2017 #234

Your second paragraph is pure gold tavernier Dec 2017 #237

Thank you, I will consider it. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #243

Good luck getting people to knock on doors for Democratic campaigns in Minnesota. Nt lostnfound Dec 2017 #3

Really, what a way to motivate voters! Can you imagine how those who lunamagica Dec 2017 #23

I dont have to imagine, I was one of them. lostnfound Dec 2017 #28

Lostnfound, I'm sorry. I meant to type Franken. I'm sorry for the mistake lunamagica Dec 2017 #33

Since the rumors are that bernie leftynyc Dec 2017 #34

MN socialist progressive were already seating Elleson before the last 2 accusers Wwcd Dec 2017 #58

I like Ellison, he's my rep, but I doubt very much he'll end up with Al's senate seat. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #109

Vultures Is The Word Me. Dec 2017 #140

Best not to put words in my mouth lostnfound Dec 2017 #95

I expect Bernie to be "pure" on policy. When it comes to other politicians... yurbud Dec 2017 #102

+ Wwcd Dec 2017 #117

Can you imagine how those who View profile knocked the doors for Senator Sanders feel now? LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #52

They have been disenfranchised, along with millions of Minnesotans ollie10 Dec 2017 #73

I'm with you, too. scarletwoman Dec 2017 #4

It's the same feeling I had on election day, but perhaps even worse, because lunamagica Dec 2017 #26

This is far worse then election day. avebury Dec 2017 #64

It's a sad day to be sure... though not ready to say it's WORSE than election day. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #162

Very discouraging times WyLoochka Dec 2017 #191

A lesson in political expediency 101. I had certainly hoped for better justhanginon Dec 2017 #5

ICAM. They all can kiss any aspirations for a presidential run goodbye lunamagica Dec 2017 #27

This especially hurts because I really used to like Sanders. lark Dec 2017 #121

MB this what Al's colleagues brought forth will sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #132

I think they thought they were taking the weapon away??????? Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #6

I'd find that kind of reasoning bizarre. Dems are now more vulnerable than ever lunamagica Dec 2017 #38

They need to tell us their reasoning. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #44

I don't think we'll get anything more than "we're better than they are". That'a all they have lunamagica Dec 2017 #67

Then our leadership is letting us down. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #68

All those named are seen as potential 2020 candidates. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #7

It will come back to bite them even worse than previous similar mistakes made by Democrats. appal_jack Dec 2017 #11

I got to get out of this place. lark Dec 2017 #127

You'll have to do it while you're fairly young Plucketeer Dec 2017 #148

I have lived in the Azores. peacebuzzard Dec 2017 #213

I agree. He was too strong to cleanly beat by some lunamagica Dec 2017 #43

All 38 of them ? MichMan Dec 2017 #209

Recommended. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #8

I doubt it lunamagica Dec 2017 #184

I highly doubt they are happy... NCTraveler Dec 2017 #9

I don't think they're at all happy sammythecat Dec 2017 #91

Opened special mail from Daily Kos and saw Al's message. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #126

I'm with you Lunamagica! I am disgusted with the aforementioned cornball 24 Dec 2017 #10

Thank you cornball. Gillibrand accepted endorsements and support from the Clintons lunamagica Dec 2017 #167

Exactly, and this needs to be brought up to her nonstop. She took help and support R B Garr Dec 2017 #244

no would would i alert. i agree with you kiddo. shocking. who will the gop's go after next? trueblue2007 Dec 2017 #12

Certainly not a Republican world wide wally Dec 2017 #40

Thank you trueblue. I wonder if they are starting to see how this may come lunamagica Dec 2017 #46

Luna ..... i hope none of this comes back to haunt us Democrats. trueblue2007 Dec 2017 #53

I hope not, but I feel we're more vulnerable than ever lunamagica Dec 2017 #79

It was a setup and Franken was in on it Renew Deal Dec 2017 #13

But...the high ground! Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2017 #14

That would have happened regardless of letting him live Renew Deal Dec 2017 #19

That gif.... vi5 Dec 2017 #62

Thanks! Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2017 #115

Yes, that gif says it all. Great job! lunamagica Dec 2017 #169

I know! We lose, lose lose, but we're superior! lunamagica Dec 2017 #168

I agree. It will be interesting to see who's railroaded and smeared next. Will it be... NurseJackie Dec 2017 #15

Who knows if one of them will be next, Jackie. But after opening Pandora's box, their lunamagica Dec 2017 #174

It's time for someone other than a DEMOCRAT to take a fall. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #185

Sad, but true - every word of it. sandensea Dec 2017 #16

That is so true, Sandandsea, so true lunamagica Dec 2017 #175

No alerting Meowmee Dec 2017 #17

Yes, I'm more scared now than ever...feel more alone lunamagica Dec 2017 #179

Youre not alone Meowmee Dec 2017 #187

I with you UT_democrat Dec 2017 #18

I agree. Nothing good will come out of this lunamagica Dec 2017 #181

Yes, they are satisfied. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #20

I have no doubt that was a major motivation. Notice how many of them have lunamagica Dec 2017 #186

Yep, I noticed that. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #208

I want those with presidential ambitions to take one for the team delisen Dec 2017 #212

I am with you Bettie Dec 2017 #21

It will be interesting to see how they react when (not IF. It is WHEN) it happens to them lunamagica Dec 2017 #205

ZERO support from me for any of them. GUILTY as charged no matter how ridiculous.... Bengus81 Dec 2017 #22

Two of them are MY Democratic Senators. Murray and Cantwell. ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #39

Agree ebbie15644 Dec 2017 #48

Maxine is not a Senator so she wouldn't be on this list. sdfernando Dec 2017 #97

You are correct, I'm so upset I don't know what I'm thinking ebbie15644 Dec 2017 #182

They should know better. Lifelong Protester Dec 2017 #82

two are MY senators orleans Dec 2017 #85

Shame on them all. Owl Dec 2017 #151

K&R stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #24

Call me old school...but I prefer to call it Swiftboated. unitedwethrive Dec 2017 #25

this G_j Dec 2017 #89

You are correct. That's what it was, and no, Dems never learn lunamagica Dec 2017 #189

+1 dalton99a Dec 2017 #238

Dont ya all feel united? LakeArenal Dec 2017 #29

I feel even sicker today. I feel betrayed lunamagica Dec 2017 #197

Absolutely. LakeArenal Dec 2017 #202

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #30

I just don't get why they rushed into this. They should have pursued an investigation lunamagica Dec 2017 #199

It wont be a week before they target another. libtodeath Dec 2017 #31

I also wondered how long it will take them to attack again. old guy Dec 2017 #86

Right after the pedo wins. libtodeath Dec 2017 #90

Right on. old guy Dec 2017 #96

Yep Meowmee Dec 2017 #98

The Dem leadership has provided them with all the ammo they need lunamagica Dec 2017 #219

No one said that being the adults in the room would be easy elmac Dec 2017 #32

Our weakness is that we do their dirty work for them. n/t Beartracks Dec 2017 #70

and we didn't go after bush & cheney for war crimes elmac Dec 2017 #92

Our wearkes is spinless leadership lunamagica Dec 2017 #220

PLUS at least 1,000 times! maddiemom Dec 2017 #35

Thank you Maddiemom lunamagica Dec 2017 #200

I guess that the only voters that matter are "the people of Alabama" who will make their choice world wide wally Dec 2017 #36

And the tragedy is that the choice was taken away by the Dem leadership lunamagica Dec 2017 #221

I hope none of them think for a minute PatSeg Dec 2017 #37

It is OVER for them lunamagica Dec 2017 #222

The Reich Wing will weaponize allegations. kairos12 Dec 2017 #41

And it was the Dems who armed them lunamagica Dec 2017 #223

I'm with you, too. LisaM Dec 2017 #45

THank you LisaM. I also wonder lunamagica Dec 2017 #224

Disillusioned Cjas Dec 2017 #47

Gillibrand is dead to me, no matter what she says from now on lunamagica Dec 2017 #225

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #49

Dems need new leaders with guts. democratisphere Dec 2017 #50

Feels no different than when they voted for the Iraq War Resoultion. The_Casual_Observer Dec 2017 #51

Gillibrand's reasoning for calling for Franken to resign Wwcd Dec 2017 #54

She Meowmee Dec 2017 #75

IKR! What the f happened to her. Or has she finally been given the opportunity to Wwcd Dec 2017 #78

I dont know Meowmee Dec 2017 #87

Hmm.. makes me suspicious why she is suddenly being media'd as a front runner in 2020. Wwcd Dec 2017 #99

Yep Meowmee Dec 2017 #107

Yes, there was that also. Backstabbed a few great Dem voices while happily taking the Dems support Wwcd Dec 2017 #120

why doesn't she just say it? ollie10 Dec 2017 #76

Her run for Pres is what I read most often on twitter comments, last night. Wwcd Dec 2017 #83

LOL, so since we cannot do a perfect job, lets just dismiss him! Brilliant! n.t USALiberal Dec 2017 #170

Seriously? And this was a strong presidential contender? lunamagica Dec 2017 #176

she needs to become a republican Skittles Dec 2017 #196

I'm with you all the way. I am changing status to Independent leftofcool Dec 2017 #55

Gillibrand needs to be the 1st to change her status. Wwcd Dec 2017 #122

I think the party will lose many members over this. This is NOT the way to win elections lunamagica Dec 2017 #218

Purity politics strikes the Democratic Party again. Efilroft Sul Dec 2017 #56

Thanks for demanding 'purity' throughout 2016 you fools. Wwcd Dec 2017 #63

Yep Me. Dec 2017 #149

I'm startyng to hate that word...purity lunamagica Dec 2017 #226

The late Bartcop would've had a field day with this event. Efilroft Sul Dec 2017 #239

I sent emails to all the female senators xxqqqzme Dec 2017 #57

Thank you for doing that. They need to know how this is hurting us lunamagica Dec 2017 #203

Hear hear! defacto7 Dec 2017 #59

Thank you, Defacto lunamagica Dec 2017 #227

What jury would vote to hide? Ligyron Dec 2017 #60

Yes they did. And we will be the ones paying for it lunamagica Dec 2017 #228

Well, it's not going to work against customerserviceguy Dec 2017 #61

... LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #65

I said something similar on another post and it was taken down. SansACause Dec 2017 #66

Half the hides are usually ridiculous anyway. 7962 Dec 2017 #106

Ditto Rocky888 Dec 2017 #69

And we Democrats look like a bunch of saps again. It's even more disappointing because women catbyte Dec 2017 #71

Gillibrand once touched my hand without permission hurple Dec 2017 #72

Oh really? I heard she whistled at my wife!!! ollie10 Dec 2017 #74

Plenty of Meowmee Dec 2017 #77

Yes, by all means Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #84

Yes hurple Dec 2017 #129

Throwing out due process is not taking sexual harrasment seriously it is making a mockery of it. Egnever Dec 2017 #173

But did he squeeze... traladeda Dec 2017 #215

I wont alert SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #81

MN GOP is talking of resurrecting Michele Bachmann riverwalker Dec 2017 #88

I with you! I agree. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #93

Waiting for them to now attack Trump, Moore, Farenthold... Thor_MN Dec 2017 #94

Dont hold your breath Meowmee Dec 2017 #101

We have TAKEN AWAY a weapon from the GOP! Blue Streak Science Dec 2017 #100

that would sound good if Dems didn't have a long history of throwing people under the bus yurbud Dec 2017 #103

Integrity matters Blue Streak Science Dec 2017 #105

Integrity is making sure someone is guilty and whether this is the right remedy first yurbud Dec 2017 #110

frankly, no one cares about process issues: they care about outcomes yurbud Dec 2017 #112

And Republicans get to decide on the fate of millions of the poorest and most vulnerable lunamagica Dec 2017 #207

Good luck with that. We will see how that plays out when Moore, Farenthold and Trump are still Thor_MN Dec 2017 #114

I agree with you Sienna86 Dec 2017 #118

Well gosh we sure showed 'em huh? Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #154

Republicans win treestar Dec 2017 #163

Oh FFS!!!!! Trump has done 100x worse. Wow, how can you be so confused? n/t USALiberal Dec 2017 #171

So you approve of someone being thrown under the bus without due process? lunamagica Dec 2017 #188

Semms to me more like we have GIVEN a weapon to the Republicans DFW Dec 2017 #210

I think they may be counting their blue wave chickens a bit early yurbud Dec 2017 #104

They can all go and fuck themselves, the chickenshits don't call out the monster in the White House! FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2017 #108

Bernie has numerous times, and again today... let's hope the rest follow his lead. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #159

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2017 #111

I am with you 100% lark Dec 2017 #113

I have gleaned one good thing from this. colorado_ufo Dec 2017 #119

Like a punch to the gut Juliusseizure Dec 2017 #123

They did this due to some inside mob mentality that has people like Gillibrand flamingdem Dec 2017 #137

what point is there to finding smarter leaders? questionseverything Dec 2017 #206

Oh, I Agree. wisteria Dec 2017 #124

I'm with you. And I'm in the market for a new party. (nt) Paladin Dec 2017 #125

Then join the repubs DownriverDem Dec 2017 #130

YOU wake up. What we currently have is a ONE PARTY system. Paladin Dec 2017 #133

Come on DownriverDem Dec 2017 #161

It's clear you don't get it DownriverDem Dec 2017 #128

Please explain if you don't mind awesomerwb1 Dec 2017 #139

Are you serious? mac56 Dec 2017 #141

Where are these same Senators asking for Trump to resign? Sanders sort of did rockfordfile Dec 2017 #150

WOW, ok then explain it to us. n/t USALiberal Dec 2017 #172

Playing hard ball against their own party. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #192

Please, enlighten me lunamagica Dec 2017 #201

lunamagica 110liberal Dec 2017 #135

Thank you, 110liberal lunamagica Dec 2017 #230

Are they screaming for Donald's head now? Otherwise what was the point of that? bettyellen Dec 2017 #136

We need a plan. I don't have a big one, but the first thing to do is target the Dem heads. 58Sunliner Dec 2017 #138

I was already threatened and reported for my similar thread SJMULE Dec 2017 #142

I'm crying now! ananda Dec 2017 #143

It is. My eyes are still red from crying lunamagica Dec 2017 #231

What really galls me is those that are calling this the "moral high ground" markpkessinger Dec 2017 #146

Mine too. I will NEVER vote for her again. rainlillie Dec 2017 #153

I agree with you DeminPennswoods Dec 2017 #147

Democrats were played.. rainlillie Dec 2017 #152

I don't care anymore, either, lunamagica... dchill Dec 2017 #155

Bannon must be having a partry tonight, dchill lunamagica Dec 2017 #232

So disgusted by the Democratic party kimbutgar Dec 2017 #157

It will be ironic if it turns out to be treestar Dec 2017 #160

K&R betsuni Dec 2017 #165

This is What You Want, This is What You Get Dalton Mac Dec 2017 #166

At least Bernie had the nerve to call for Trump to resigb Thrill Dec 2017 #177

It was Rep Jackie Speier who got this ball underthematrix Dec 2017 #183

I just called one of their offices and let them have it. Goody two shoes! They mfcorey1 Dec 2017 #190

No cares to give anymore.... Heartstrings Dec 2017 #193

As Joan Walsh said today zentrum Dec 2017 #194

Do you all feel purified now you've sent someone else off to be sacrificed? n/t MrModerate Dec 2017 #198

Some jumped off the rust belt white male appreciation train delisen Dec 2017 #211

THere are a lot of posts that would need to be alerted today and yesterday. How can one not Amaryllis Dec 2017 #214

Glad my Senators stayed out of it RhodeIslandOne Dec 2017 #216

what is tragic is that I will probably have to vote one of these people in 2020 DonCoquixote Dec 2017 #217

What's the killer here is that we presumed that the Democratic senators OnDoutside Dec 2017 #229

i never imagined it was them collectively we have to fight questionseverything Dec 2017 #233

They have gone after Warren already pretty hard with the Pocahontas racist slurs, and when still_one Dec 2017 #235

I think you are right. peacebuzzard Dec 2017 #242

I hear you and agree with the sentiment completely. Tipperary Dec 2017 #236

Im keeping this list of senators peacebuzzard Dec 2017 #240

You called it right...mob rule, lynch party, kangaroo court, star chamber. workinclasszero Dec 2017 #245