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46. And another thing

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:46 PM

Dec 2017

Appealing to women does NOT require pandering to them, and what the party or any of its operators THINK will appeal to them may not be at all accurate. Women want honesty and integrity, fairness, justice and even-handedness. This was a gross miscalculation.

And I'm really, really sick of seeing and hearing Gillibrand's ridiculous "Enough is enough" and insisting (completely wrong-headedly) that it's the "wrong discussion" if you're comparing different types of inappropriate-to-criminal behavior. Mostly, it's the wrong damn QUESTION.

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Let me try to frame the Franken situation in political terms. [View all] brooklynite Dec 2017 OP

Feels a lot like the ACORN take down of a few years ago Johonny Dec 2017 #1

The ACORN claim was false... brooklynite Dec 2017 #3

so was the ACORN claim (deemed credible by Democrats) ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #5

Franken apologized and said that he crossed a line oberliner Dec 2017 #8

Willful ignorance, IMHO. nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #9

My reading of his statements were that he carefully ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #11

Fair enough oberliner Dec 2017 #16

Here's his ENTIRE statement,not just a snippet............ Bengus81 Dec 2017 #19

That's not his entire statement oberliner Dec 2017 #21

Thanks for re-enforcing my point Bengus81 Dec 2017 #43

My Democratic county clerk thought so loyalsister Dec 2017 #58

the accusations against Trump are also credible....NOW, TRUMP MUST RESIGN..!!!!!!!!!! Stuart G Dec 2017 #49

The destruction of ACORN was a real turning point in American history. StevieM Dec 2017 #6

You can state it and restate it differently and its still a ridiculous proposition BootinUp Dec 2017 #2

I found none of them credible... GeorgeGist Dec 2017 #4

I don't trust any of those Democratic Senators to push back against the GOP like Franken did tenderfoot Dec 2017 #7

You're right bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #13

Will these same Senators call for Trump to resign? n/t leftstreet Dec 2017 #10

Not entirely true Bibluca Dec 2017 #12

I'm starting to see the explanation that this is an appeal to women voters more kcr Dec 2017 #14

JESUS H CHRIST Cosmocat Dec 2017 #15

Ok...a YEAR from now the Franken seat will be OWNED by a Republican Bengus81 Dec 2017 #17

So you're saying that ONLY Al Franken can win a Senate seat in a Blue State? brooklynite Dec 2017 #22

There are no Minnesota Democrats with Frankens name recognition. mn9driver Dec 2017 #31

I think Lori Swanson might have a chance. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #52

So Al Franken is the identified Sacrificial Lamb in the name of those goals? MoonRiver Dec 2017 #18

He's not a sacrificial lamb; he's someone who got caught NOW at a time when this is an issue brooklynite Dec 2017 #24

Caught, how? MoonRiver Dec 2017 #36

They he had no need to apologize. brooklynite Dec 2017 #41

That is complete horse shit Egnever Dec 2017 #60

Which women JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #20

Predicition. Roy Moore will win the White women vote next week. Yavin4 Dec 2017 #28

I think your prediction JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #32

Yep. By double digits. This is not a winning strategy. mn9driver Dec 2017 #34

+1, Yeah, I just heard Corey Lewandowski on MSNBC referring to Franken as R B Garr Dec 2017 #37

other States in play in 2018 arent like Alabama. brooklynite Dec 2017 #42

Name One JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #61

Arizona and New Mexico for two. brooklynite Dec 2017 #62

Thank you! agincourt Dec 2017 #59

Disgraceful that you're trying to defend this. woolldog Dec 2017 #23

I'm a woman, and they aren't attracting support!! LAS14 Dec 2017 #25

File this thread in the dick cavett cabinet drawer. Nm bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #26

in 2016, the Democrats ran the first ever female nominee of a major American politica party against Yavin4 Dec 2017 #27

+1, ... dems will then blame Al Franken for the loss!! We're screwed if all dems have to do to eat.. uponit7771 Dec 2017 #30

ITs 100% naive to think this false equivalency take down of a good dem will be a net good for dems ! uponit7771 Dec 2017 #29

BS! Please make a separation rape vs allegations of groping this is a hit job against Franken flamingdem Dec 2017 #33

this whole Franken heaven05 Dec 2017 #35

I hope Franken will call out cilla4progress Dec 2017 #38

But did they act in response to women on the ground or buckle to pressure from GOP and media? EffieBlack Dec 2017 #39

Flaw in your entire argument: "Democrats cannot claim support for women's issues KPN Dec 2017 #40

Republicans don't care. They want tax cuts, and they dupe voters The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #53

While I appreciate your explanation, RandomAccess Dec 2017 #44

And another thing RandomAccess Dec 2017 #46

The first accusation was NOT credible. How can two people find themselves "alone backstage"... George II Dec 2017 #45

You said flotsam Dec 2017 #47

I get where you are coming from. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #48

I can't wait to see what will happen when the first female politician is accused of misconduct. Vinca Dec 2017 #50

Well, I sure hope this strategy works, because by railroading Franken out of his job The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #51

Difference of degrees, proportional response, context and nuance simply fail you. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #54

Oh right...for the greater good...you can destroy a decent Democrat...but how this helps is Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #55

brooklynite 110liberal Dec 2017 #56

Too clever by half. earthside Dec 2017 #57

Let me touch that up for you... brooklynite Dec 2017 #63

"credible accusers" - Your special pleading is utterly transparent. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #65

Get back to me when the pukes have a supermajority and send womens and minorities rights back to libtodeath Dec 2017 #64