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GarroHorus

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26. Legally, they are not mentally ill until a court declares them incompetent.

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 07:05 PM

Jul 2012

I'll defend to the death the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Nobody may be deprived life, liberty or property except by due process of law.

I cannot accept the diagnosis of a mental health profession on its own. The deprivation of any right enumerated to the people under the constitution must be accomplished via due process and by no other means.

So in the end, I would defend to the death the right of James Holmes to own a 12 gauge shotgun, two Glock .40 handguns, and an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle before the events of July 20, 2012. His rights were not deprived by any due process and thus he had every right to own them.

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A message to those in cities who love guns: It's a sad world you live in. [View all] lindysalsagal Jul 2012 OP

Given how subjective that is, I feel free to tell you that you are sadly mistaken. Edweird Jul 2012 #1

+1,000,000,000,000 n/t GarroHorus Jul 2012 #15

So if I am not in favor of unlimited and unrestricted gun (and accessories) rights, Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #24

I believe that is what is called a 'strawman'. Edweird Jul 2012 #29

Actually no. It is a question. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #30

OK Edweird Jul 2012 #34

I'm more interested in your purity test Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #36

There already are limits. Edweird Jul 2012 #37

You confuse me with a gun grab proponent. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #38

Here are Federal Limits Edweird Jul 2012 #39

Oddly, I posted just that below in this very thread in response to someone arguing Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #42

Hey, we don't want to end abortion, we just want some limits. Edweird Jul 2012 #45

I just realized you aren't the OP. Edweird Jul 2012 #46

Would you prefer if she asked the question? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #48

No, nothing like that. Edweird Jul 2012 #52

What I'd like to see: REP Jul 2012 #49

You mean like something similar to being licensed to drive a car? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #53

Well, not like CA's DL program where you can fail the road test and drive on a learner's permit REP Jul 2012 #68

I don't see a problem with that. Edweird Jul 2012 #54

I think it's reasonable REP Jul 2012 #66

It's the proliferationists who truly live in fear... villager Jul 2012 #33

That's pretty disconnected from reality. Edweird Jul 2012 #35

so's your reply villager Jul 2012 #63

What 'mad scramble'? You're the minority on DU. Even more IRL. Edweird Jul 2012 #65

Yes, Edweird. Keep imagining this is an NRA discussion board villager Jul 2012 #67

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #69

Wow -- Stephen Baldwin can see this issue more clearly you than can!? villager Jul 2012 #70

Actually, I've always felt that gun OWNERS live in fear frazzled Jul 2012 #43

Nope. Not afraid. Edweird Jul 2012 #50

I always felt this way Texasgal Jul 2012 #57

What good will a gun do if you are asleep? blueamy66 Jul 2012 #83

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #60

Yep. Gun Grabbers live in fear. They lie to try and spread their fear. Edweird Jul 2012 #64

Yep bongbong Jul 2012 #73

Unlike gun nuts who live in perpetual fear of weekly home invasions Scootaloo Jul 2012 #76

Gun religionists fear posts like yours bongbong Jul 2012 #87

Wow. Speaking of a sad world. Brickbat Jul 2012 #2

What about police and armed guards? bluerum Jul 2012 #3

I agree. JeepJK556 Jul 2012 #4

Yep, next step, NO PROTESTS WITHIN CITY LIMITS GarroHorus Jul 2012 #14

What part of the Constitution still applies? RC Jul 2012 #32

So you want the urban people disarmed Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #5

Urban usually vote anti-gun mayors=blue safeinOhio Jul 2012 #6

Gun control has racist and classist roots, especially in places like NYC ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #7

At one time it might have. safeinOhio Jul 2012 #8

It has similar impacts, even today ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #9

Being urban poor minority means a greater risk of safeinOhio Jul 2012 #11

Some do ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #17

Most urban folk michreject Jul 2012 #44

What about people who live in cities who hunt Blue_In_AK Jul 2012 #10

I don't think a city dweller cares about safeinOhio Jul 2012 #12

You are in the wrong here. Everybody has a guaranteed right to own a gun. nt GarroHorus Jul 2012 #13

Felons too? What about Children? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #19

Here's a clue, the right to vote is guaranteed , but children do not have that right and felons can GarroHorus Jul 2012 #20

No, you said, "Everybody has a guaranteed right to own a gun" so lets explore that. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #21

YEs, they do. James Holmes had a guaranteed right to own firearms GarroHorus Jul 2012 #23

Okay - so let me get this straight. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #25

Legally, they are not mentally ill until a court declares them incompetent. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #26

That isn't what you said though. You said "Everybody has a guaranteed right to own a gun" Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #27

You're going around in circles for no logical reason. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #28

I don't blame you. Lets look at the Gun Control Act of 1968. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #31

Funny reply! bongbong Jul 2012 #61

I've started putting them all on ignore. If I wanted to read RW swill, I'd morningfog Jul 2012 #82

Just realized - since you brought it up, Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #71

Holmes bongbong Jul 2012 #88

Yes, non-violent felons. Their right to vote should be restored also. Tejas Jul 2012 #77

What a load of crap. zappaman Jul 2012 #16

Prohibitionists: guns for me but not thee. Tejas Jul 2012 #78

I don't love guns, nor do I hate them. I live in a small city. Marrah_G Jul 2012 #18

I'm keeping my gun for protection in my home, thank you. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #22

All these armed trained secret servicemen couldn't prevent a bullet from hitting Reagan lindysalsagal Jul 2012 #80

Yes, it's not the guns involved that were the cause or the cure. It's something else. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #86

That ain't gonna happen michreject Jul 2012 #40

I don't think you realize just how insignificant this issue is, but here's a tidbit to keep you Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #41

I'm not a gun nut Texasgal Jul 2012 #47

for these situations you are better off with a 12 gauge pump action loli phabay Jul 2012 #51

The pistol was cheaper Texasgal Jul 2012 #55

yup my wife was the same, but she now likes the security of the 12 gauge loli phabay Jul 2012 #56

I came from a family of hunters. Texasgal Jul 2012 #59

You can get a basic .20 at Dick's for less than $100 obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #62

People who bring guns into cities out of fear create the very environment that makes them fearful. baldguy Jul 2012 #58

So killing OTHER animals is okay. flvegan Jul 2012 #72

I know a good reason to bring them in cities. Zax2me Jul 2012 #74

Thanks for the condescension. cliffordu Jul 2012 #75

The bodyguards for Mayor Bloomberg pack machineguns, they don't look very sad. Tejas Jul 2012 #79

At times the world I live in is pretty pitiful, but that has nothing to do with guns. hobbit709 Jul 2012 #81

Yeah...that has worked sooooo well in Chicago. guardian Jul 2012 #84

I live in the city but have country property... what do you propose belcffub Jul 2012 #85