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LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
38. Thing is ...
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 05:00 PM
Dec 2017
HOW do we know that Independent or Democratic votes WILL be counted?

Oh I have NO doubt that IF the voting was fair, Dems would do WELL in the 2018 Mid-terms. But seeing as things are NOT fair. Those numbers in the black bolded below are DEMS voters being crosschecked or purged out of existence.

Crosscheck Removed 450K Voters in MI, 270 K in AZ and 590 K in NC!!

This is the start of of Greg Palast’s story. The original is at www.gregpalast.com/… This is very, very likely why, in state after state, Hillary was up 150K votes before election day and lost: Her voters could not show up. They were already eliminated from the voter rolls. If proven true, this sounds like a classic Justice Department issue and needs to be resolved in real time. We must not repeat the mistakes of Florida 2000. (BTW, first post, three lines, was posted by Gbriel777 at this DKos link.)

“Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

“Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
“The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters,” 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action: Trump victory margin in Michigan:13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona:85,257 Arizona

Crosscheck purge list:270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008 North Carolina

Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

“On Tuesday, we saw Crosscheck elect a Republican Senate and as President, Donald Trump. The electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters, methods detailed in my book and film, including “Caging,” “purging,” blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to “provisional” ballots that will never be counted.

See www.GregPalast.com for more.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/14/1599330/-Crosscheck-Removed-450K-Voters-in-MI-270-K-in-AZ-and-590-K-in-NC

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There's this from Ari Berman:

Rigged: How Voter Suppression Threw Wisconsin to Trump.

And possibly handed him the whole election.
ARI BERMAN
NOVEMBER/DECEMBER 2017 ISSUE

You can’t say Andrea Anthony didn’t try. A 37-year-old African American woman with an infectious smile, Anthony had voted in every major election since she was 18. On November 8, 2016, she went to the Clinton Rose Senior Center, her polling site on the predominantly black north side of Milwaukee, to cast a ballot for Hillary Clinton. “Voting is important to me because I know I have a little, teeny, tiny voice, but that is a way for it to be heard,” she said. “Even though it’s one vote, I feel it needs to count.”

She’d lost her driver’s license a few days earlier, but she came prepared with an expired Wisconsin state ID and proof of residency. A poll worker confirmed she was registered to vote at her current address. But this was Wisconsin’s first major election that required voters—even those who were already registered—to present a current driver’s license, passport, or state or military ID to cast a ballot. Anthony couldn’t, and so she wasn’t able to vote.

The poll worker gave her a provisional ballot instead. It would be counted only if she went to the Department of Motor Vehicles to get a new ID and then to the city clerk’s office to confirm her vote, all within 72 hours of Election Day. But Anthony couldn’t take time off from her job as an administrative assistant at a housing management company, and she had five kids and two grandkids to look after. For the first time in her life, her vote wasn’t counted.

I met Anthony on a rainy Wednesday evening in mid-August. She had recently moved to Madison for a job making sales calls for the health insurance company Humana and was living in an Econo Lodge off the freeway with two of her kids and her mother-in-law as she looked for permanent housing. “This particular election was very important to me,” she told me in the motel’s small lobby, citing her strong aversion to Donald Trump. “I felt like the right to vote was being stripped away from me.”

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/voter-suppression-wisconsin-election-2016/

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What we are learning... lame54 Dec 2017 #1
Totally, no hope. Loge23 Dec 2017 #19
Really DownriverDem Dec 2017 #20
You no longer want my lifetime democratic vote?... lame54 Dec 2017 #21
We get this bullshit rah rah talk every time the Dem leaders sell us out. hadEnuf Dec 2017 #26
Yes we do! Va Lefty Dec 2017 #45
A slight correction... vi5 Dec 2017 #2
This. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #5
Yep misanthrope Dec 2017 #16
It's as though everything our party leadership does... vi5 Dec 2017 #29
We're ALL screaming into a vacuum. Wednesdays Dec 2017 #48
They also know that anonymous accusations work on Democrats gratuitous Dec 2017 #3
I expect they might try this on Mueller sooner or later emulatorloo Dec 2017 #6
You can bank on it. Mueller is public enemy #1 for the Right. He can take Trump down hadEnuf Dec 2017 #33
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2017 #47
They will be fast learners, too. Lifelong Protester Dec 2017 #4
If Dems think that female candidates are the bulletproof answer... BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #7
Yes I think it is mistaken to think this is a man vs. woman issue. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #8
Exactly. Duppers Dec 2017 #9
Makes you wonder if Tammy Baldwin will be their next target Bettie Dec 2017 #10
Plus the fact that she is one to come out for Al to resign without an investigation. old guy Dec 2017 #24
No, no you don't understand. That won't happen. vi5 Dec 2017 #31
You're right Bettie Dec 2017 #44
I am pretty angry with her right now. AllyCat Dec 2017 #46
We already know what they do to female candidates, and it is brutal lunamagica Dec 2017 #13
Those under that delusion were asleep the last two decades and in a coma the last three years Cosmocat Dec 2017 #18
That women are mad as hell and are not going to take it anymore Politicub Dec 2017 #11
Tell that to the millions who voted for trump lunamagica Dec 2017 #15
The Democratic leadership on the road to failure The Wizard Dec 2017 #12
And that will be the message for the next election: WaitWut Dec 2017 #14
I feel they know this already and is why they did it. SaveAmerica Dec 2017 #17
I agree, good summation. Lanius Dec 2017 #22
Its not about the other side... Hillary called them deplorables and that is the case lancelyons Dec 2017 #25
The other side (i.e. Republicans) don't play by the same rules. Watch, Roy Moore will win Lanius Dec 2017 #27
The swing voter will notice that Franken resigned, will assume he is guilty.... ollie10 Dec 2017 #34
Thing is ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #38
Even though i dont think Franken got fair treatment, I do agree with the move. lancelyons Dec 2017 #23
So you are saying that by a Democrat resigning in disgrace, this is going to hurt the Republicans? ollie10 Dec 2017 #30
The Republicans don't care, also they'll point the finger at Democratic support of Bill Clinton Lanius Dec 2017 #32
And Gillibrand said Bill Clinton should have resigned.... ollie10 Dec 2017 #35
She would have been in the minority back then, IIRC. Most Dems still backed Clinton. Lanius Dec 2017 #40
I believe she said that recently ollie10 Dec 2017 #42
Democrats arent doing this to get the GOP to like them. They are doing it for votes. lancelyons Dec 2017 #36
This won't get the Democrats any more votes than they already get from us and Lanius Dec 2017 #39
"With the Democrats going the high road, they can say now say that the GOP is the party of ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #43
Here's a #4 ollie10 Dec 2017 #28
Democrats will never learn rrrru4ril28 Dec 2017 #37
Do you really think Soxfan58 Dec 2017 #41
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