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9. Railroading implies being punished w/o due process, & believing specious claims.

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 09:45 AM

Dec 2017

He has not been elected (yet) by the people of his state.

He will not be railroaded. He'll be investigated, at most, it seems.

But the evidence between the two is stark. As well as well known character and prior behavior. All of this comes into play. The "evidence" against Franken was more vague, most of it by anonymous sources. Some of it ridiculous (he put his hand on my wait and "grabbed some flesh," when I asked him to take a pic with me) vs. "I was 14...he took me somewhere and fondled me and took off my clothes." Or "I was 16, he fondled my privates, locked the door, wouldn't let me out of the car, as I cried and tried to fight him off...then he stopped and warned me not to tell anyone because he was a D.A. and I was just a kid & wouldn't be believed." The claims against Moore are by people who have come forward publicly, not anonymously, some making their shocking claims on television.

Despite statements, the RNC is funding his campaign. Money = full support. The President of the U.S. has openly endorsed him and fully supports him. So Moore is not, and will not be, railroaded. He can't be.

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It's wrong to railroad a person. Any person. It must be said and repeated. [View all] Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 OP

It was a lynch mob, instigated/led by Gillibrand dalton99a Dec 2017 #1

Gillibrand was on Morning Joe this a.m., trying to walk it back...how it's not so bad, what she did. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #4

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #7

She wanted to make a name for herself, she has presidential ambitions Merlot Dec 2017 #20

I suspect she lost the favor of quite a few the way she did this, and many will be looking at still_one Dec 2017 #35

That describes me Jarqui Dec 2017 #42

I feel the same way -- my fear, now, RandomAccess Dec 2017 #66

if you have watched who the deep pocket dems on du are supporting.... questionseverything Dec 2017 #68

Gillibrand will most likely never get my vote if she runs. I say 'most likely' cuz if iluvtennis Dec 2017 #51

We now know her to be a devious sort. Mr. Evil Dec 2017 #53

LOL, boy did THAT backfire. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #60

Holy shit..! pangaia Dec 2017 #23

Oh my PatSeg Dec 2017 #31

My question to Senator Gellibrand is did she have the guts to actually confront Franken personally still_one Dec 2017 #32

So, she will still talk to him, if he calls her?? Oh, my, how big if her.... Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #49

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #5

Sickening workinclasszero Dec 2017 #64

And he wasn't even up for reelection until 2020. femmedem Dec 2017 #2

True mindem Dec 2017 #3

Her ass grabbing says less to me than Bettie Dec 2017 #6

+1000 dchill Dec 2017 #13

Not just ACORN, but a larger pattern: appal_jack Dec 2017 #11

I agree mindem Dec 2017 #15

I agree with you, but does that apply to Roy Moore as well? Lurks Often Dec 2017 #8

Railroading implies being punished w/o due process, & believing specious claims. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #9

Do we decide allegations are true based on their credibility or because we hate/love the politician? Lurks Often Dec 2017 #10

I don't know about you... tonedevil Dec 2017 #12

The truth matters to me as well Lurks Often Dec 2017 #26

Why then... tonedevil Dec 2017 #63

I agree with those who believe that Franken was not given due process Lurks Often Dec 2017 #65

Punishment Nasruddin Dec 2017 #29

All the current polls indicate he holds a 7 point lead still_one Dec 2017 #41

If he loses... tonedevil Dec 2017 #61

Do you notice no one here is lobbying for Conyers to stay? RandomAccess Dec 2017 #67

Yes, sarisataka Dec 2017 #30

It was wrong, wrong, wrong zentrum Dec 2017 #14

Too True! peggysue2 Dec 2017 #34

When ABSOLUTELY NO MEMBER of the Senate Democratic Causus will support you... brooklynite Dec 2017 #16

It certainly says something about the Senate Democratic Caucus - and its sponsors. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #22

Perhaps! atreides1 Dec 2017 #37

Once again: you have to imagine that NOT ONE SENATE DEMOCRAT was "principled" enough... brooklynite Dec 2017 #45

Need I point out that Bernis Sanders is not a Senate Democrat? Thor_MN Dec 2017 #50

And you're not? Many will regret not waitng for an investigation, especially Gillibrand. brush Dec 2017 #58

Franken didn't get to finish his due process. That's the issue. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #38

I agree completely. Can someone recommend our next move? rainin Dec 2017 #17

One little step you could take is to buy his book: spooky3 Dec 2017 #40

Agreed. n/t whathehell Dec 2017 #18

Wish I could push that 'rec' button 1,000 times PatrickforO Dec 2017 #19

That was certainly one of the points... Nasruddin Dec 2017 #24

Yes it was. Isn't it too bad our leadership is so gutless and devoid of moral fortitude PatrickforO Dec 2017 #54

I called it out, indicating one Senator in particular, and got a hide. pangaia Dec 2017 #21

Try to mention no names and talk in generalities, while still getting the point across. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #25

True.. but.... pangaia Dec 2017 #27

Then you were on a "hit list." It happens. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #33

That was my take. pangaia Dec 2017 #43

It's happened to me also. I complained to adms but got nada back. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #46

And they had a better alternative: let the spooky3 Dec 2017 #28

And the Roger Stones of the world PatSeg Dec 2017 #39

My thoughts exactly. Taraman Dec 2017 #47

I would like to see more women PatSeg Dec 2017 #36

Women in power just because they are female is insanity SHRED Dec 2017 #44

Exactly PatSeg Dec 2017 #55

My sentiments exactly SHRED Dec 2017 #62

Al is a precious one in a billion public servant 90-percent Dec 2017 #48

Reposting my earlier post (in General Discussion) with edits HeartLikeAWheel Dec 2017 #52

I wrote Wyden and Merkley that they lost my trust. Kittycow Dec 2017 #56

I think it's foolish to believe every claim.. rainlillie Dec 2017 #57

Al hasn't resigned - yet UnTied Dec 2017 #59

They'd have to kiss his ass to make him stay now flamingdem Dec 2017 #69