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120. Actually there are at least two ...

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 08:17 PM

Jul 2012

1) Another "assault weapons" ban, if similar to the first, would be only a feel good law that would do little or nothing to reduce the number of these weapons in civilian hands. In reality it would probably cause their sale to skyrocket.

2) If the law was mainly pushed by the Democratic Party it could lead to the loss of seats in both houses of Congress for Democrats. Another "assault weapons" ban could also give a future true pro-RKBA Republican candidate for President a significant edge as there are an estimated 80 million gun owners in our nation, the majority of whom oppose gun bans. (McCain was not popular with gun owners but Obama was such a charismatic candidate that the gun control issue was largely irrelevant. Romney also has a problem with gun owners and he has been on both sides of this issue just as he has on any and all issues.)

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As a gun owner and a former member of the NRA I have arrived at the opinion that there should be [View all] doc03 Jul 2012 OP

Well JeepJK556 Jul 2012 #1

The police have reason to carry a larger capacity magazine nobody else doc03 Jul 2012 #3

They do? obxhead Jul 2012 #9

Do me a favor nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #11

And you've just made the case that >5 round mags are reasonable for self-defense purposes aikoaiko Jul 2012 #65

Yes, and nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #67

and....? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #84

Bingo! We have a winner! A COP should be able to take a perp out with 5 rounds but doc03 Jul 2012 #100

Did you see the greater symbol? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #102

Cops have backup. Private citizens do not. Kennah Jul 2012 #122

Wow as a gun owner and former NRA memeber you should know Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #127

Maximum of 10-15 round magazines for handguns. Five ought to be the limit for long guns. Kaleva Jul 2012 #134

So in most cases, brandishing a convincing replica of a gun would suffice to repel an assailant -- klook Jul 2012 #152

History. You should learn some. jeff47 Jul 2012 #135

You make my point obxhead Jul 2012 #137

You should actually read this time jeff47 Jul 2012 #138

yeah I read that. obxhead Jul 2012 #140

Yes, it was only the money. It's not like there were already several victims jeff47 Jul 2012 #141

My precious guns? obxhead Jul 2012 #142

The police carry standard capacity mags for self-defense and defense of others... aikoaiko Jul 2012 #64

Hmm you realize a 19 rounder nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #69

yes, I do. The 10 round limit is not standard -- it is a reduce capacity for most full size handguns aikoaiko Jul 2012 #82

Police officers were exempted, but you knew that nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #6

Thank you for your concern. nt valerief Jul 2012 #10

no, not the police...way to pounce with the straw men! CreekDog Jul 2012 #18

Hurry!!! Hurry!!! Look over here!!! n/t A Simple Game Jul 2012 #43

That is asinine. Heck, police have to arm up and be more cautious with all the gunners carrying. Hoyt Jul 2012 #53

I used to be NRA also........ kooljerk666 Jul 2012 #70

So the goal is to outgun the police? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #90

No. JeepJK556 Jul 2012 #104

So which is it, are you a really bad shot or do you figure on being rushed by a bakers dozen? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #107

People like this dream of ATF shootouts Scootaloo Jul 2012 #126

Bigoted much? rl6214 Jul 2012 #128

Yes, gun nuts generally are. Scootaloo Jul 2012 #132

Ruby Ridge Revenge using Micheal Savage's head shots. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #131

As soon as you convince the criminals to obey permatex Jul 2012 #2

Holmes wasn't a criminal he purchased everything legally n/t doc03 Jul 2012 #4

So by that standard permatex Jul 2012 #5

Question, very seriously... nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #8

I've been wrestling with that one permatex Jul 2012 #12

Seriously, what is it's use? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #15

I can name one permatex Jul 2012 #22

Noise pollution? Zoeisright Jul 2012 #28

Then why does Norway require them for hunting? permatex Jul 2012 #33

Read that wiki article - nowhere does it say that Norway requires GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #98

Whers's the proof that my statement was absurd? permatex Jul 2012 #59

you need the flash suppressor for light pollution too dionysus Jul 2012 #92

No I am not nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #31

Norway, Finland, France all use them for hunting permatex Jul 2012 #34

You are confusing a long arm? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #36

They can be used for handgun hunting also permatex Jul 2012 #40

Actually those stats matter nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #44

I'm confused permatex Jul 2012 #52

It is part of the culture nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #54

We can agree to diagree and still be civil about it. permatex Jul 2012 #56

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #58

The suppressor thingy was something injected in the doc03 Jul 2012 #103

"There is a direct correlation between how strict or not gun ownership laws are, and death rates" EX500rider Jul 2012 #124

Can't find a particular reference to using suppressors for hunting in those countries. GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #99

I stand corrected permatex Jul 2012 #123

Your reason for allowing 100 shot mags would A Simple Game Jul 2012 #48

Bullseye course of fire - 5 rounds in twenty seconds and 5 rounds in ten seconds. geckosfeet Jul 2012 #62

1 round per second? Electric Monk Jul 2012 #119

Are you aware that this is an NFA weapon Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #130

Silencers protect the hearing of the shooter and other shooters around them rl6214 Jul 2012 #129

Another serious question: How many crimes are committed with 100-round magazines? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #13

So you are seriously suggesting nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #17

Where did I suggest that a 100-round magazine belongs everywhere? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #29

Actually this is bringing how unreasonable nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #32

I think banning things that are hardly ever used in crimes is unreasonable. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #76

Actually they do nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #77

I'm sure you can provide some data to back up your assertion. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #88

Pay attention, that MCI incidents nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #89

What is an MCI incident? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #91

Mass Casualty Incident nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #93

The poster you are replying to never sees the need to back up their assertions. zappaman Jul 2012 #139

I see that. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #147

After just a quick search I could not find a number for how A Simple Game Jul 2012 #50

Check the FBI UCR Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #78

I can name one, it just happened two days ago a nut case was capable of gunning doc03 Jul 2012 #105

Why don't we ask people struck by lightning what they think about it? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #144

I asked that question to a gun owner (my SO) azurnoir Jul 2012 #21

For fun target shooting. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #63

Damn that's a bad shot in my opinion nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #66

I am a great shot. It is for fun. Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #71

Glad you do, and glad it would not bother you. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #73

I too am a gun owner evilhime Jul 2012 #14

if they need a 100 round mag for hunting, they are a danger to everyone CreekDog Jul 2012 #19

Yeah permatex Jul 2012 #25

When I was a kid my dad gave me a single shot rifle and that taought me to make the first doc03 Jul 2012 #109

Excuse me ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #16

You have it all backward Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #24

W did not allow the AWB to expire permatex Jul 2012 #30

it banned high capacity magazines like the 100 round one the shooter used Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #85

Wrong permatex Jul 2012 #86

It banned the manufacture of these, yes. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #95

During the "ban" both AR-15 rifles and high capacity magazines were available ... spin Jul 2012 #113

So there can be no reason to oppose reinstating the ban Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #117

Actually there are at least two ... spin Jul 2012 #120

So banning weapons increases their sales.. and tax cuts increase revenues too! Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #121

You are ignoring the fact that many Democrats own firearms and support RKBA ... spin Jul 2012 #125

I'm not ignoring it, I just don't think they are one issue voters Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #148

Actually, Permatex, those into guns obsessively should pay price. Without them, gun manufacturers Hoyt Jul 2012 #57

Whatever Hoyt permatex Jul 2012 #60

You already pay the price of having these types of shootings treestar Jul 2012 #106

By your logic we don't need laws against theft or murder, either... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #39

Nice strawman you built there permatex Jul 2012 #41

"Laws are enacted to deter not prevent"... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #96

Maybe you should ask yourself why gun violence is so dramatically different in the US. HuckleB Jul 2012 #45

I do support gun laws permatex Jul 2012 #55

Newsflash. HuckleB Jul 2012 #116

Show me how my statement is wrong? permatex Jul 2012 #118

Welcome to the club nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #7

thank you for the thoughtful post CreekDog Jul 2012 #20

As I understand it Orrex Jul 2012 #23

at what point does an assult rifle become the equivalent of an automatic weapon ? azurnoir Jul 2012 #26

How do you propose taking them out if circulation? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #27

It's because of people like you that we will continue see massacres like this.. TNLib Jul 2012 #47

Public safety can't trump essential liberty. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #81

I don't think a CCW would take a gun to a movie but maybe I'm wrong. TNLib Jul 2012 #35

I get my CCP in about a week permatex Jul 2012 #37

Those with CCWs take them everywhere.......... Smilo Jul 2012 #42

Yeah, lucky there weren't any LEO's in there. Tejas Jul 2012 #38

I'm old enough to remember when the NRA was an environmental group Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #46

Remember those days unc70 Jul 2012 #83

It was about the time of Tricky Dick. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #87

How about keep it all legal but require references and a psych eval for the big stuff? harun Jul 2012 #49

As a former hunter that still keeps a shotgun and rifle in the house even though I no appleannie1 Jul 2012 #51

Even if some one tried to shoot him he had on bulletproof armor. Kablooie Jul 2012 #75

America is under attack from within-greed of the American gun industry. ErikJ Jul 2012 #61

I see no reason for anyone to have an assault weapon. ananda Jul 2012 #68

yes Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2012 #101

I rarely wish I could rec more than once, JoeyT Jul 2012 #72

How about just storing all guns in armories? Want to play with them? Check 'em out. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #74

That's how they handle guns in South Korea. agentS Jul 2012 #133

You said it yourself - you have 16-round magazines derby378 Jul 2012 #79

They shouldn't allow people to easily acquire a semi-automatic weapon like a glock.... AntiFascist Jul 2012 #97

The clip in my 20 gauge shotgun holds two cartridges. That's plenty for most situations. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #80

I can beat that. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #94

"skeet shooting those old AOL disks" - LOL! I've got a 2.0 floppy right next to me!!! HopeHoops Jul 2012 #143

Pull!!! Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #145

Actually, I'm going to sell it on eBay. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #146

Are people that desperate to remember this? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #149

I've sold a shitload of the CDs. They went through a period of making really cool ones. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #156

Ron Reagan was subbing for Chris Matthews on Friday riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #108

irrelevant discussion legoman69 Jul 2012 #110

Your shooting out blindly in a darkened, smoke-filled and overwhelmingly LOUD theater hlthe2b Jul 2012 #111

Not to mention the shooter was covered from DURHAM D Jul 2012 #112

Are you a trained tactical shooter nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #114

We should not base gun laws on your heroic delusions jeff47 Jul 2012 #136

Well hi there, just stopping by, or should we say driving by DainBramaged Jul 2012 #150

Another delusional gun nut with a paranoid violent fantasy _ed_ Jul 2012 #155

You're more of a gun expert than me. mwooldri Jul 2012 #115

AGREED, and let's stop the silling dancing and Iggy Jul 2012 #151

This point is outstanding: CrispyQ Jul 2012 #153

They are called 'assault' weapons for a reason ninehippies Jul 2012 #154