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alcibiades_mystery

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17. Excellent rejoinder to some of the stupidity about "Giving Up" that's been all the rage today

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 08:23 PM

Jul 2012

Among a triumphalist set.

Yes, it takes time. Yes, gun control advocates are up against an entrenched power and lobby. Yes, they've lost the argument nationally, and need to regroup. But as you point out, many political causes have to start and start again from a vulnerable position.

The status quo is silliness. The triumphalist rhetoric of the individualist-militia advocates is not a solution, and never even pretends to be. Those two things are unsustainable. Indeed, they likely know it, which is why they try to convince everybody that nothing can be done, and period. Their position is not socially sustainable, and is really not even more than a generation old. They're like the Wall Streeters who imaginatively project their own desperate form of social organization back throughout history - this 30 or 40 year old thing has lasted forever! It's foolishness, and it has no future.

So start and start again.

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Some advice for gun-control advocates: watch the atheists and the GLBTQ community. [View all] backscatter712 Jul 2012 OP

I'm a gun owner. JeepJK556 Jul 2012 #1

And a PPR'd troll who lasted less than 24 hours alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #18

Step One: Come out of the closet frazzled Jul 2012 #2

I know some gay people who are strong gun rights supporters bluestateguy Jul 2012 #3

So what? Gun control does not mean taking away his gun Merlot Jul 2012 #25

So somebody threatens my life and I have to wait a 2 week waiting period to proetct myself? bluestateguy Jul 2012 #27

I'm pretty confident that you already have a gun, so the 2 week waiting period is moot Merlot Jul 2012 #29

I teach firearms classes on the weekend targeted towards women and GLBTQ people ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #4

And no one is denying them the right to have their guns. This is a straw man argument. Merlot Jul 2012 #30

Some here certainly are ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #31

One is an atheist or a gun control advocate by choice. People are born gay. Big difference. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #5

I was born an atheist as were you MattBaggins Jul 2012 #13

That is not at all what I thought the OP was saying. Curmudgeoness Jul 2012 #15

How do you know someone isn't born an atheist? Merlot Jul 2012 #26

Absolutely Warpy Jul 2012 #6

I get really tired of anyone who is pro second amendment being called a gun lover or loon etc Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #8

do you not understand Skittles Jul 2012 #10

Yes I do Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #11

if anyone doesn't understand Skittles Jul 2012 #12

I don't follow the NRA Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #23

See? That's a lie right there. Warpy Jul 2012 #14

Sure there are and they are mostly teabagger types I would guess Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #22

I get really tired of anyone who doesn't understand the actual intent of the second amendment. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #16

Says who? You? derby378 Jul 2012 #19

Advocating intimidation of an innocent citizen by .gov? Tejas Jul 2012 #28

Eight years of Bush turned me from a gun control advocate to a staunch support of gun ownership. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #7

... derby378 Jul 2012 #20

Well said! Not at all "off base." soccer1 Jul 2012 #9

Excellent rejoinder to some of the stupidity about "Giving Up" that's been all the rage today alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #17

your brainfarts are way better than most people's developed ideas! lanlady Jul 2012 #21

This made my day. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #24