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FredStembottom

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165. I guess what I am saying is.....

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 02:35 PM

Jan 2012

.... that a Ben Nelson might someday be replaced with a liberal in a place like Nebraska - but it would be just about the last place where that ever would.

As far as state level goes, I am surrounded by liberals doing GOTV every major cycle. So not sure what you are accusing.

Still, T, I have never understood your points on the most basic level. I don't "get" it.

I am active in politics because everyone I know is suffering. They are sliding into despair and poverty. My newly adult children seem to be inheriting an especially dark future. The great American Speed Up...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100298391

..is killing me and people I know who still have jobs.

I'm here to try and find some way to save my family and the people I know. That means it's policy, policy policy 24/7 for me (and I bet a majority of DU'ers).

I also believe that D seats must be maintained as we search. But I must have, soon, Democrats who believe in traditional Democratic values in those seats. It's a dire need for so many of us.

You seem to see it all as a big football game. Getting D's to win at all costs to policy. And that those of us who need the policy changes are somehow bad Democrats and enemies of yours. I hope I am wrong. But you come across to me that way.

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Liberals cannot win a majority in this country. [View all] kentuck Dec 2011 OP

Why? Because some of us do not believe the comipinko Dec 2011 #1

I'd have to say theaocp Dec 2011 #2

Fine. Go try to elect Dennis Kucinich in Nebraska. TheWraith Dec 2011 #3

Are you suggesting... kentuck Dec 2011 #7

I love it when somebody says "Are you suggesting?" dems_rightnow Dec 2011 #81

Yeah, isn't that great? kentuck Dec 2011 #94

This is one that the left should be called out on treestar Dec 2011 #12

A totally dishonest misrepresentation... kentuck Dec 2011 #20

It doesn't matter about the majority in the country treestar Dec 2011 #26

+1000. If there's a groundswell of Progressive activism waiting to be tapped, CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #28

So you believe the majority of the country is conservative? kentuck Dec 2011 #32

Why keep going on about the majority in the country? treestar Dec 2011 #54

That may be true with the Senate but not necessarily the House or the Presidency. kentuck Dec 2011 #59

Treestar, you're on a roll. And I agree, it's time to "put up or shut up" for good! This is that.. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #90

Baloney. kentuck Dec 2011 #92

If you truly believe that, why should "Democrats" have to find a better candidate? This is an..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #95

I think it is a totally false premise. kentuck Dec 2011 #97

Serious question? Does your screenname indicate that you're a "Kentuckian"? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #101

oh no you didn't.... dionysus Dec 2011 #151

Do you intend just to ignore my query in post #101? I mean, I understand why you would.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #127

So progressives should be able to find someone among the nearly 2,000,000 people who live in NE Telly Savalas Dec 2011 #157

Let's see.... the least likely scenario in the nation proves your point? FredStembottom Dec 2011 #129

By golly, here's a brand new link about where such things might be possible! FredStembottom Dec 2011 #130

Never in opposition to electing more progressives. However, did you actually read the o.p.? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #133

Rather than "win anywhere" the OP seemes to be talking about a simple majority... FredStembottom Dec 2011 #134

Another thought ... oldhippie Dec 2011 #142

"Maybe people lie to pollsters?" Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #143

You answer your own question. FredStembottom Dec 2011 #160

I "cited" the reasons "liberals" give for not breaking through. I say pish-tosh. The o.p. seems to Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #161

I guess what I am saying is..... FredStembottom Jan 2012 #165

Not really concerned about "how I come across to you". That, notwithstanding, I am an..... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #166

Excellent! FredStembottom Jan 2012 #167

I knew we'd get there. But we certainly didn't solve the matter set out in the o.p. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #170

why, them's figtin woids! BOTFUT is gonna show you who can win nebraska, but good! dionysus Dec 2011 #150

LOL. They better get to work, because I am a non-believer. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #162

No, but they think they are based on what the media tells them. n/t Scuba Dec 2011 #78

Absolutely treestar Dec 2011 #55

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You're changing the subject. I AM fighting the Warren in Massachusetts. bluestate10 Dec 2011 #80

Repeat the Big Lie! CANDO Dec 2011 #138

Excellent post. bluestate10 Dec 2011 #75

A "flaming liberal"? kentuck Dec 2011 #82

Yeah, a Moderate. See my other posts. nt bluestate10 Dec 2011 #85

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What do I need to say to get elected? Ezlivin Dec 2011 #6

DNC chooses the candidates librechik Dec 2011 #8

Bingo! Wind Dancer Dec 2011 #37

Primaries decide candidates. bluestate10 Dec 2011 #83

Why do you hate Dennis so? kentuck Dec 2011 #86

Why? 99Forever Dec 2011 #9

Except most people believe in liberal policy edhopper Dec 2011 #10

That is not entirely true. MakingSense Dec 2011 #140

I said taxes on the rich. edhopper Dec 2011 #148

We all wish that was true MakingSense Dec 2011 #155

Thanks for the thoughtful response. edhopper Dec 2011 #158

You're overlooking that the elections are by state treestar Dec 2011 #11

States have voters... kentuck Dec 2011 #13

The elections are by the state treestar Dec 2011 #15

You mean like Bob Kerry? kentuck Dec 2011 #17

I don't know if the left considers him progressive enough treestar Dec 2011 #40

He was the Governor and Senator from that state already... kentuck Dec 2011 #42

HA! Charlemagne Dec 2011 #91

Liberals can't win a seat in every district etherealtruth Dec 2011 #14

My take surfdog Dec 2011 #16

Therefore.... kentuck Dec 2011 #19

Perhaps surfdog Dec 2011 #21

Therefore.... kentuck Dec 2011 #23

What I'm saying is surfdog Dec 2011 #53

Maybe? kentuck Dec 2011 #60

Relative to precisely which voting bloc? LanternWaste Dec 2011 #24

why do you keep saying that? it's a total strawman.the majority of red state voters are conservative dionysus Dec 2011 #152

So you agree? kentuck Dec 2011 #153

there are conservative areas of the country where liberal ideas can't currently win. while the GOP dionysus Dec 2011 #154

I think the "dennis kucinich types" have mostly been defined by the right-wing media... kentuck Dec 2011 #156

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Under that reasoning, Obama must not watch such debates. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #33

That's correct sandyd921 Dec 2011 #25

That's correct kentuck Dec 2011 #27

I'm just a bit stunned that so many here sandyd921 Dec 2011 #64

I agree... n/t kentuck Dec 2011 #66

+1 mike_c Dec 2011 #70

There really is no such thing as an American conservative Major Nikon Dec 2011 #102

Why? 1. It is profitable for the DLC and its supporters. 2. Some people are nonthinking parrots. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #29

You'll have to ask our corporate media..... FrenchieCat Dec 2011 #31

You are very close to the truth, FrenchieCat... kentuck Dec 2011 #34

Most likely so.....in particular those "Moderate" Democrats you are discussing..... FrenchieCat Dec 2011 #47

"conservatism is sold hard" kentuck Dec 2011 #52

So what do we do about that? FrenchieCat Dec 2011 #72

Step One: kentuck Dec 2011 #79

"It is better to fight and lose than compromising your principles......" FrenchieCat Dec 2011 #100

^^^ This ^^^! And that's all she wrote. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #118

This entire argument about Nelson is missing the point liskddksil Dec 2011 #35

It depends on the state involved. moriah Dec 2011 #36

Wasn't J William Fulbright from Arkansas? kentuck Dec 2011 #38

Fullbright was a mixed bag etherealtruth Dec 2011 #43

He was also an ardent segregationist MFrohike Dec 2011 #44

And later they gave us Bill Clinton... kentuck Dec 2011 #45

Hahaha MFrohike Dec 2011 #51

You are right to a point LiberalFighter Dec 2011 #39

Are you claiming voters don't know their own minds treestar Dec 2011 #41

actually a majority isn't enough anymore Enrique Dec 2011 #46

We could have a 99% majority and it wouldn't matter... kentuck Dec 2011 #48

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My issue MFrohike Dec 2011 #50

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Funny thought MFrohike Dec 2011 #113

The two parties claim lovemydog Dec 2011 #57

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A Fire Breathing Populist Democrat, bvar22 Dec 2011 #62

Elizabeth Warren is from O-K-L-A-H-O-M-A! PassingFair Dec 2011 #76

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I believe that Progressives can win a majority. BUT I also think that politics is local. Each state jwirr Dec 2011 #67

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I tend to think... kentuck Dec 2011 #96

I agree with that and I think that may be the only way we replace Nelson with someone who is jwirr Dec 2011 #103

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Have you ever heard of Senator Frank Church? Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #131

Oh yes but those days have been gone a long time. He was good and I do remember him well. He jwirr Dec 2011 #145

Church served until 1981. It could happen again, a Democrat Senator from Idaho. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #146

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Majority of Americans are liberal. Majority of the SENATE is conservative Eliminator Dec 2011 #68

Because that narrative supports the "Third Way." All the corporate money, none of the guilt. DirkGently Dec 2011 #69

For almost four decades now . . . Brigid Dec 2011 #74

yes it's exactly true. n/t. okieinpain Dec 2011 #77

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"Goodbye, baseball!" RUMMYisFROSTED Dec 2011 #87

Read it more closely Rummy... kentuck Dec 2011 #88

...and the ball is touched by Steve Bartman! RUMMYisFROSTED Dec 2011 #123

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The OWS say it is not political...... FrenchieCat Dec 2011 #105

OWS can not support candidates who are opposed to equality for some people. Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #107

Well said, as usual. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #109

America IS profoundly conservative. Orsino Dec 2011 #104

What Orsino said. n/t Basic LA Dec 2011 #115

SOME PARTS of America are profoundly conservative. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #116

It's more granular even than that... Orsino Dec 2011 #126

Our corporate media have told the American people that Obama is as liberal as it is possible to be Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #108

Not historically accurate. Bucky Dec 2011 #112

Is that you, Rahm? Odin2005 Dec 2011 #114

When have liberals ever really had a majority in this country? Hippo_Tron Dec 2011 #117

Liberals can not win a majority.... unkachuck Dec 2011 #120

Can a liberal win Ben Nelson's seat?...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #121

They have a better grasp on red meat messaging tavalon Dec 2011 #124

Even when Democrats have control it is hard for them to accomplish avebury Dec 2011 #125

Kucinich will never be President. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #128

no it isn't true, we just had 60 Senate seats a couple years ago Motown_Johnny Dec 2011 #132

And that included Lieberman, Blue Dogs treestar Dec 2011 #135

agreed, but they voted for Reid Motown_Johnny Dec 2011 #144

Unfortunately, that provides an excuse for the Democrats to move further right. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #137

Money, money, money.... WCGreen Dec 2011 #139

I don't know about that. I think left-of-center describes the majority of people in this country. Tatiana Dec 2011 #141

more like "Liberals cannot win a majority in red states until you change the conservative mindset dionysus Dec 2011 #149

because party leaders have dialed more getdown Dec 2011 #159

Because working class Americans in the heartland stand in solidarity with the Wall Street bankers. Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #163

The audacity of the lie is especially evident during election season, woo me with science Dec 2011 #164

Because the party messaging says so. mmonk Jan 2012 #168

I for one, cheered when I heard he was leaving. JerseygirlCT Jan 2012 #169