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In reply to the discussion: Occam's Razor..... [View all]

grantcart

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14. How many ways is this wrong? Let's start with the obvious 6.
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 11:46 AM
Dec 2017

1) Occam's Razor is not an absolute rule. Many times the easiest answer is not the correct answer. Looking at the stars thousands of years ago showed that when constellations were in a certain area that was the best time to plant crops. The explanation that the stars cause it wasn't true.

2) There are groups where people actually started vomiting or expressed other physical symptoms in what is known as hysterical contagion in which real, not imagined, symptoms occur even though we know that it was all psychological. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysterical_contagion

3) You completely misstate the known facts. Eight women did not "risk perjury charges". None of them did. Most of the accusations were made anonymously. None of the accusations went through professional reporters like the WP that strenuously vetted Moore's accusers. Even MSNBC is using headlines like "another accuser comes out with a charge of sexual misconduct against Franken" when none of the charges involved sexual misconduct

4) The real Occam's Razor: How likely is it that all of the "charges" appear in front of cameras, with none of the pictures supporting the charges (and two of them actually make it appear that Franken was not in position to do what was alleged) and that a "sexual predator" has NO charges of groping, kissing, exhibitionism, unwanted advances or invitations IN PRIVATE by the hundreds of women that he has worked with?"

Answer: Extremely unlikely and never heard of before.


5) Where there is smoke there is fire. The most damaging allegation is that there were 8 (but actually only 4 that made anything public). The right's use of quantity in targeting someone is a well known tactic, just ask Mr. Service. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029904657

6) Democratic leadership: Not stupid but they are weak and seduced by a stupid strategy. They are looking at winning the Alabama seat and how this would effect a Tsunami reaction: More women running, more women getting committed to the offshore election where Democrats repeatedly don't come out and vote.

The idea that a sexual predator goes over board on a photo where a consensual hug is part of the ritual and then never does anything in private where he can get caught is laughable. The idea that none of the pictures support the allegations is hilarious. Here is another Occam's Razor: If he is a serial 'grabber' and did this repeatedly in front of cameras in multiple areas why isn't there some photo evidence, even just a surprised look, on any of the accusers face?"

As to the first accuser: A PAID member of Hannity's group that is captured committing "perjury" in advancing the birther lie is the most credible charge because of the staged picture, but then there are plenty of pictures of her engaging in even more aggressive actions with Robin Williams and other soldiers.

This is another example of Democrats coming to a gun fight with a knife but in this case its a plastic knife and we are handing the Republicans the gun.

How likely is it that radical reactionaries that have been exposed to have paid provocateurs surreptitiously filming Democrats trying to document progressives and even reaching out to our enemies to win an election would try to have a couple of provocateurs come forth right before Moore's election to try and save their seat?

Likely, it was predictable.

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Occam's Razor..... [View all] brooklynite Dec 2017 OP
I vote they're too stupid to see a plot Submariner Dec 2017 #1
+1000 Pachamama Dec 2017 #2
+1000 n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #3
+1000 OnDoutside Dec 2017 #5
Where is this painting from? gilpo Dec 2017 #10
Just a redditt post Submariner Dec 2017 #12
Not the first time Egnever Dec 2017 #32
+1000 totally agree avebury Dec 2017 #51
I don't think we need to assume malice on Gillibrand's part. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2017 #4
more zero tolerance. which has no perspective. pansypoo53219 Dec 2017 #30
I don't know why you want to bring logic and facts into this. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #6
These few remaining people who remember how to reason are such a nuisance L. Coyote Dec 2017 #7
Honesty would be like ice water on a riot, Hortensis Dec 2017 #27
Or: BootinUp Dec 2017 #8
We've let a lot of things go over the years. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #9
I would except Motownman78 Dec 2017 #57
There are many reasons why victims don't come forward. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #58
And people's reactions seem to be rather tame. Kaleva Dec 2017 #11
How would you expect them to change? MoonRiver Dec 2017 #48
Generally, if people say they are enraged, they do more then post about it Kaleva Dec 2017 #59
Or both. n/t Igel Dec 2017 #13
How many ways is this wrong? Let's start with the obvious 6. grantcart Dec 2017 #14
+1 flamingdem Dec 2017 #23
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #24
Great response. CentralMass Dec 2017 #26
+1 treestar Dec 2017 #29
And again you nail it Egnever Dec 2017 #33
+1 betsuni Dec 2017 #35
This uponit7771 Dec 2017 #41
This is such a fantastic response, grantcart! All excellent points. R B Garr Dec 2017 #42
Very very well said! Agree entirely. bench scientist Dec 2017 #46
Thank you! MoonRiver Dec 2017 #49
+1,000,000 Raster Dec 2017 #55
Great reply, grantcart. n/t ms liberty Dec 2017 #56
Invoking Occam's Razor to present a false dichotomy is manipulative and an insult to Occam. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #15
as a side note, the word "me-tooism" has taken on a more nuanced meaning Bucky Dec 2017 #19
"Herd Mentality" MoonRiver Dec 2017 #50
She was also able to draw Bernie Sanders into her nefarious plot. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #16
And Kamala Harris. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2017 #53
How can anonymous accusations be judged as credible? alarimer Dec 2017 #17
While, yeah, Franken did do some inappropriate things, Occam requires including all evidence Bucky Dec 2017 #18
This...nt stopwastingmymoney Dec 2017 #45
It doesn't work... tonedevil Dec 2017 #20
Man, Occam must have been shaving constantly because he had a lot of Razors... califootman Dec 2017 #21
Then the correct answer would have been I never touched them inappropriately brooklynite Dec 2017 #34
Which would have led to exactly the same outcome. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #36
Except that, at that point, Franken's initial response was baked in to the analysis. brooklynite Dec 2017 #37
There has been no evidence whatsoever of any analysis. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #38
He said he remembered it differently. What you are saying there is he R B Garr Dec 2017 #44
Occam's razor is a bitch. Occam's aftershave is even worse. nt Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #22
or more stuff was about to come out and he left rather than deal with it Dreamer Tatum Dec 2017 #25
Your OR is inaccurate -- a syllogism of sorts. The complaints against Franken KPN Dec 2017 #28
Thank you for posting this Brooklynite. Same thoughts I have had. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #31
Unlike with Trump, Moore, et al BaileyBill Dec 2017 #39
What was the lie they told??? Lil Missy Dec 2017 #40
There are no perjury charges for talking to reporters or posting on a blog. LisaL Dec 2017 #43
Ridiculous! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #47
Not all lied riverwalker Dec 2017 #52
If it is not acceptable in today's society treestar Dec 2017 #54
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