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Denzil_DC

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38. There has been no evidence whatsoever of any analysis.
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 05:49 PM
Dec 2017

None. Just craven kneejerk pandering, backed up by patronizing attitudes.

Franken's initial response and my take on the reasons for it are things I wrote about at length when this place was up in arms about Tweeden. Here it is yet again, since you seem to have managed not to see it the numerous previous times I re-posted it:

Here's a sad aspect to the story:

Al Franken wrote a bill to help rape survivors like me. He can’t lead on it now.

In November 2014, I was raped.

I’m certainly not the only one something this awful has happened to, but afterward, I felt as though I was. I was a 19-year-old college student. My life changed overnight. I faced an incredibly long fight to bring my attacker to justice: Daniel Drill-Mellum was wealthy, well-connected, and willing to throw me and my reputation under the bus. The #MeToo culture I’ve seen develop publicly over the last month wasn’t around to help me then. I was nearly harassed off the University of Minnesota campus for reporting. I was turned away by the Minneapolis Police Department despite the mountain of evidence in my case.

Over the next two years, I learned how to hold my frustration in, because I had an end goal in mind. I knew that my attacker belonged in prison, and I was determined to get the justice system on my side. I made mental notes about everything that was going wrong. I tried to have patience that someday I could make a different world. When my rapist was sentenced in August 2016 to six years in prison, I finally had my chance.

I sought help from Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.). He took up my cause without hesitation, and he worked with his aides to draft legislation to pay for training to help police departments treat assault survivors with more concern for what we’ve been through. But now that allegations have come out that Franken himself assaulted a woman years ago, I want another lawmaker to sponsor the bill we worked so hard on. This work deserves to be led by those without a history of sexual harassment or assault.

The news this week was especially disappointing for me because of how effective an advocate Franken has been for my cause. I felt my heart sink when I saw the news, but I was prepared to support the woman involved. I remember what it was like to be shamed and not believed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/11/18/al-franken-wrote-a-bill-to-help-rape-survivors-like-me-he-cant-lead-on-it-now/



If anybody wants to click through, they'll see the sort of work Franken's been involved in, and how sensitively he and his staff have handled the process of helping this woman frame the bill. She now wants to find a female congressperson to sponsor it instead.

I hope it's an overreaction to the early forms of this story, and she may revise her decision. Or perhaps it would be better if she can find a female senator to sponsor it, and Franken can offer whatever support is necessary, behind the scenes or from the floor. The problem with his involvement is Republican whataboutery. You'd hope a bill like this could find bipartisan agreement, but I doubt it.

It may shed some light on why Franken reacted like he did. The larger picture than his own career is the legislation he wants to pass and the changes he wants to come about - exactly as set out in his long statement. That's integrity.

I don't think any number of videos or pics of Tweeden cavorting onstage are likely to make Abby Honold feel differently, certainly not if Franken were ever to have a hand in relying on them as some sort of "defense" - especially in view of her own experience of the attempts to "throw me and my reputation under the bus". Or maybe she'll realize that this is more or less what's happened to Franken as her ally and change her mind.

What probably won't help change her mind is targeting somebody who comes forward with an allegation for her past behavior, however raunchy, given what she says above. Or maybe she'll join some here in resenting Tweeden for making false allegations, but that could be a slippery slope and she may not be able or willing to go there.

These are the stakes. This whole operation hasn't just targeted Franken, it's targeted the current wave of revulsion at revelations about how (especially powerful) men sometimes conduct themselves.

That's why I think Franken's reacted as he has, and why he's right to do so.

It's just my own interpretation, but I reckon Franken doesn't want to get into the position of publicly expressing disbelief of the women making the allegations, for reasons I outline above.


But I'm just a humble DUer whose opinion obviously means naught, and nuance has no place when electoral convenience is at stake.

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Occam's Razor..... [View all] brooklynite Dec 2017 OP
I vote they're too stupid to see a plot Submariner Dec 2017 #1
+1000 Pachamama Dec 2017 #2
+1000 n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #3
+1000 OnDoutside Dec 2017 #5
Where is this painting from? gilpo Dec 2017 #10
Just a redditt post Submariner Dec 2017 #12
Not the first time Egnever Dec 2017 #32
+1000 totally agree avebury Dec 2017 #51
I don't think we need to assume malice on Gillibrand's part. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2017 #4
more zero tolerance. which has no perspective. pansypoo53219 Dec 2017 #30
I don't know why you want to bring logic and facts into this. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #6
These few remaining people who remember how to reason are such a nuisance L. Coyote Dec 2017 #7
Honesty would be like ice water on a riot, Hortensis Dec 2017 #27
Or: BootinUp Dec 2017 #8
We've let a lot of things go over the years. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #9
I would except Motownman78 Dec 2017 #57
There are many reasons why victims don't come forward. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #58
And people's reactions seem to be rather tame. Kaleva Dec 2017 #11
How would you expect them to change? MoonRiver Dec 2017 #48
Generally, if people say they are enraged, they do more then post about it Kaleva Dec 2017 #59
Or both. n/t Igel Dec 2017 #13
How many ways is this wrong? Let's start with the obvious 6. grantcart Dec 2017 #14
+1 flamingdem Dec 2017 #23
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #24
Great response. CentralMass Dec 2017 #26
+1 treestar Dec 2017 #29
And again you nail it Egnever Dec 2017 #33
+1 betsuni Dec 2017 #35
This uponit7771 Dec 2017 #41
This is such a fantastic response, grantcart! All excellent points. R B Garr Dec 2017 #42
Very very well said! Agree entirely. bench scientist Dec 2017 #46
Thank you! MoonRiver Dec 2017 #49
+1,000,000 Raster Dec 2017 #55
Great reply, grantcart. n/t ms liberty Dec 2017 #56
Invoking Occam's Razor to present a false dichotomy is manipulative and an insult to Occam. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #15
as a side note, the word "me-tooism" has taken on a more nuanced meaning Bucky Dec 2017 #19
"Herd Mentality" MoonRiver Dec 2017 #50
She was also able to draw Bernie Sanders into her nefarious plot. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #16
And Kamala Harris. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2017 #53
How can anonymous accusations be judged as credible? alarimer Dec 2017 #17
While, yeah, Franken did do some inappropriate things, Occam requires including all evidence Bucky Dec 2017 #18
This...nt stopwastingmymoney Dec 2017 #45
It doesn't work... tonedevil Dec 2017 #20
Man, Occam must have been shaving constantly because he had a lot of Razors... califootman Dec 2017 #21
Then the correct answer would have been I never touched them inappropriately brooklynite Dec 2017 #34
Which would have led to exactly the same outcome. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #36
Except that, at that point, Franken's initial response was baked in to the analysis. brooklynite Dec 2017 #37
There has been no evidence whatsoever of any analysis. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #38
He said he remembered it differently. What you are saying there is he R B Garr Dec 2017 #44
Occam's razor is a bitch. Occam's aftershave is even worse. nt Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #22
or more stuff was about to come out and he left rather than deal with it Dreamer Tatum Dec 2017 #25
Your OR is inaccurate -- a syllogism of sorts. The complaints against Franken KPN Dec 2017 #28
Thank you for posting this Brooklynite. Same thoughts I have had. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #31
Unlike with Trump, Moore, et al BaileyBill Dec 2017 #39
What was the lie they told??? Lil Missy Dec 2017 #40
There are no perjury charges for talking to reporters or posting on a blog. LisaL Dec 2017 #43
Ridiculous! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #47
Not all lied riverwalker Dec 2017 #52
If it is not acceptable in today's society treestar Dec 2017 #54
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