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PatrickforO

(14,573 posts)
11. I've called or written most of these Senators and made my extreme displeasure known.
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 09:37 PM
Dec 2017

From what I'm hearing on the ground, Gillibrand and Harris are both now facing major blowback. Even some #me too women have gone on record saying this isn't helping their movement.

Not only that but dozens of women have written in support of Franken, including a group from SNL and a group of women staffers in his Senate office.

These allegations are so spurious (Franken accidentally touched the bare flesh of a woman's hip while in a group photo with her, she mentioned that because she'd gained weight, was self-conscious about that, and her shirt had ridden up a bit) that this whole thing has offended many in the base.

First of all, zero tolerance policies have a history of throwing common sense and any kind of discretion to the wind. Getting rid of Franken for the sake of these allegations is like an idiotic elementary school principle who expels a first-grade girl for bringing a plastic knife to spread peanut butter on a piece of bread. It's just stupid.

Next, when I see the knee-jerk reaction here, it makes me think of the old red scares and McCarthyism. Black lists. Congressional witch hunts. Only instead of communists, now the 'perps' are pretty much all men over 55.

Problem is, there are a lot of pretty good people over 55, and if we don't let them legitimately redeem themselves from dumb acts that happened way back when, justice will not be served. The criteria that should be applied is 1) how long ago did it happen?, 2) how serious was it? and 3) is the behavior stopped, or has it happened in the last five years?

Franken probably did a couple of creepy things way back when, but based on evidence presented and an objective observation of his behavior in the Senate, to label him a sexual predator, and force him to resign is absurd. To my mind this was a despicable act that had much more to do with Gillibrand's political ambition (she kneecapped Franken to get him out of the way for her 2020 presidential bid because she perceived him as a potential opponent), and nothing to do with any values or vision she might or might not have.

Good! I hope all 33 are wondering if they did the right thing. n/t rainin Dec 2017 #1
If they aren't now, they will be tomorrow when they start answering phones and checking their Amaryllis Dec 2017 #3
Doubtful. They already did the right thing mythology Dec 2017 #44
Which one seems credible to you? Egnever Dec 2017 #58
No they didn't, they did the political thing. helmedon1974 Dec 2017 #69
Isn't it amazing that only a small handful of people can have so much sway over Eyeball_Kid Dec 2017 #81
Yeah, I don't think that the average voter treestar Dec 2017 #90
So you don't believe in the basic tenets of law...... SergeStorms Dec 2017 #73
Like Tina Dupuy? Garrett78 Dec 2017 #76
I wonder how the member rainin Dec 2017 #94
six were anonymous...I discount such bullshit...and Tweeden is a Hannity buddy and Stone knew in Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #92
I just realized something. Franken was bullied out of the Senate. A bunch of people got together Maraya1969 Dec 2017 #91
Thanks for posting this. suegeo Dec 2017 #2
Just go to the link and start reading. I only checked it out because I wanted to see what Amaryllis Dec 2017 #5
Folks who aren't joined up to Facebook (like me) can't see any messages at the link. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #35
OK, scratch my other reply to you. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #40
I've called or written most of these Senators and made my extreme displeasure known. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #11
McCarthyism is a great analogy. At the risk of incurring wrath, I could see when things Amaryllis Dec 2017 #16
False equivalency tavalon Dec 2017 #55
It's more than offensive RVN VET71 Dec 2017 #28
I understand your point of view... it just saddens me to hear it, InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #34
The DCCC called me two days ago HelenWheels Dec 2017 #83
DCCC has nothing to do with Franken or the Senate candidates. brooklynite Dec 2017 #101
Totally agree with your post plus mchill Dec 2017 #49
I'm one of the #metoo contributors tavalon Dec 2017 #54
Yes, I'm sorry this happened too. The #metoo movement is much needed. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #70
Well said! flamingdem Dec 2017 #60
99.9% percent of the comments on this topic to Gillibrand are mchill Dec 2017 #46
here are some questionseverything Dec 2017 #100
I doubt she even sees these comments on Facebook, so she probably doesn't care OliverQ Dec 2017 #4
I'm sure she has staff who monitor FB. It gives her the pulse of her constituents. Amaryllis Dec 2017 #8
Major blowback. I have called and written many of these PatrickforO Dec 2017 #6
He will not be crucified on a cross of Gillibrand's political ambition. rzemanfl Dec 2017 #9
He kind of already has been. Now we're waiting for the resurrection... elehhhhna Dec 2017 #26
"I think that brazen attempt at political jrthin Dec 2017 #29
He was kicked out so that Dems Motownman78 Dec 2017 #75
She fueled the fire to be sure Dream Girl Dec 2017 #77
I don't care. She started it. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #93
I don't know her motivation, but it was terrible political strategy with many seriously negative Amaryllis Dec 2017 #98
She needs to hear it from us greeny2323 Dec 2017 #7
Even if she does so now, it would look so reactionary as to lose its meaning. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #31
She should be asking Al Franken to forgive her mchill Dec 2017 #50
She needs to remedy this stat! What a foolish move R B Garr Dec 2017 #10
Joan Walsh on Twitter riverwalker Dec 2017 #12
She doesnt believe we are real Democrats riverwalker Dec 2017 #13
I don't believe for a second it is coordinated by GOP. LisaL Dec 2017 #17
Wtf? That pisses me off, Joan Walsh is that out of touch? flamingdem Dec 2017 #72
Fake news from Joan Walsh. nt tomp Dec 2017 #88
I just scolded her back mchill Dec 2017 #51
I gave it right back Lotusflower70 Dec 2017 #66
Righton marieo1 Dec 2017 #95
Joan Walsh is part of the problem Bibluca Dec 2017 #97
joan walsh is working early to make sure we lose in 2020 questionseverything Dec 2017 #99
Agree 100% (K&R) Puzzler Dec 2017 #14
Those 33 senators need to call on Trump to *resign*, not call for hearings on Trump's sexual assualt Pobeka Dec 2017 #15
Correction... better Dec 2017 #41
+1 n/t Pobeka Dec 2017 #42
Exactly tavalon Dec 2017 #56
+100000 L. Coyote Dec 2017 #47
Here's the image - save and share on social media. Snarkoleptic Dec 2017 #18
Thank you! How did you get it to post? I copied image location and usually can post Amaryllis Dec 2017 #21
It's not really straightforward and will require an account at imgur.com. Snarkoleptic Dec 2017 #62
And here's a smaller one for the twitter trolls among us... Snarkoleptic Dec 2017 #19
LeannTweedan Kajun Gal Dec 2017 #20
Some think if we play nice with Trump ... left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #22
Who thinks that?!?! No one I know here. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #32
My thoughts and comments are not confined to D.U. left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #37
"Senate hearings on allegations of sexual assault by Donald Trump." He should resign! L. Coyote Dec 2017 #23
No, most of democrats decided Franken didn't deserve a hearing. LisaL Dec 2017 #24
Yep. To hell with a trial, we already brought a rope. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #33
Couldn't agree more. See my post upthread for my reasoning. n/t Pobeka Dec 2017 #39
That is spot on! That needs to be an OP KelleyKramer Dec 2017 #86
K and R Achilleaze Dec 2017 #25
thanks for posting this orleans Dec 2017 #27
Made me feel better that she is hearing from constituents and they are not holding back! Amaryllis Dec 2017 #36
As a Minnesotan I find it so gratifying to see so many others dflprincess Dec 2017 #38
i know you guys put him there in the senate orleans Dec 2017 #45
Anyone who was paying attention knew what an effective senator and progressive Amaryllis Dec 2017 #59
Same here Lotusflower70 Dec 2017 #67
He is getting the support because he deserves it and he is an exceptional senator and teh Amaryllis Dec 2017 #102
Agreed Lotusflower70 Dec 2017 #104
Wow PatSeg Dec 2017 #30
Well, I went there and left some scathing comments. Then I went back, and found them all gone. NBachers Dec 2017 #43
That is sick SHRED Dec 2017 #53
THere is always email, although no one else sees that. Still, it lets her know how people feel. Amaryllis Dec 2017 #61
Hiding the truth. Against Democrats/progressives... VOX Dec 2017 #64
"Kristin, or her staff, are trying to hide the truth." tecelote Dec 2017 #74
Gillibrand killed her career. YOHABLO Dec 2017 #79
Huh? I was just reading excellent scathing comments to her on FB BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #80
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #87
Here's what I left on her site: DFW Dec 2017 #85
YES. Why don't Dems do this?! Coordinated media outreach is KEY to GOP media manipulation sharedvalues Dec 2017 #48
She is catching hell thank goodness SHRED Dec 2017 #52
Will she read this or will her assistants delete it all flamingdem Dec 2017 #71
I grow less impressed w/Gillibrand JNelson6563 Dec 2017 #57
Thank you for this info and for the shout out! I'm glad to see the activism. spooky3 Dec 2017 #63
Is there an anti-Gillibrand FB page or Twitter yet? ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #65
It's the truth Lotusflower70 Dec 2017 #68
Good. I emailed cantwell, murray, Brown and twittered Franken at personaland senate. George Eliot Dec 2017 #78
+1000 well done OnDoutside Dec 2017 #82
That Huff post article is spot on. mnhtnbb Dec 2017 #84
They've actually zentrum Dec 2017 #89
Yep! Little Star Dec 2017 #96
Thank you tavalon Dec 2017 #105
Every Email I get asking for money, SCVDem Dec 2017 #103
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