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Sen. Walter Sobchak

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79. I think the relationship between Trump and the Republicans is misunderstood

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:06 AM

Dec 2017

As Charles Murray explains it, Trump is a "murder weapon". The Republican's don't really like Donald Trump, they aren't personally invested in him and almost certainly would not have invited him into their homes. He is just a big dumb bomb with which they can blast holes into the American institutions they wish to undermine.

As long as Trump delivers angry white assholes to the polls and doesn't meaningfully obstruct the Republican intelligentsia's agenda they're going to put up with him.

Republicans I know and consider to be house broken don't care about the Russia issue, they don't defend it or discount it, they don't argue the issue at all, they don't care. All they care about is getting another two or three Republican ayatollahs on the supreme court and Trump is by no means an impediment to that.

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Eugene Robinson asks a scary question [View all] babylonsister Dec 2017 OP

but things will surely improve with Al Franken out of the Senate. JI7 Dec 2017 #1

+1 dalton99a Dec 2017 #15

++1 zentrum Dec 2017 #22

Yeah, right. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #48

But the lovehandle touching... peequod Dec 2017 #70

The neutralization of Franken was step 1 toward neutralizing Mueller appal_jack Dec 2017 #76

Thank God they at least got rid of HIM! He could've taken the whole country down! Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #89

Gene makes a good point.I can't imagine Mueller not finding money laundering at the very least. Vinca Dec 2017 #2

We'd have to win both the house and senate Cyrano Dec 2017 #3

The pubs are in trouble, and we very possibly will. Hortensis Dec 2017 #32

I don't know. It was looking good before they fired Franken. Now there are a lot of ticked off Dems. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #92

Don't mistake the mix here for typical of Democrats. Hortensis Dec 2017 #99

This is all over social media. And the subject of an SNL skit and other skits. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #106

Don't imagine exposure to mentions of something translates into Hortensis Dec 2017 #107

Even if we won them both it takes 67 votes to convict and remove a president from office. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #49

the party of lincoln i snow the party of limbaugh and sooner dems figure that out the better certainot Dec 2017 #43

Just yesterday a DUer wrote that hate radio isn't the problem CrispyQ Dec 2017 #52

And commuting to town for work. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #59

This has been my point as well. Texas has thousands of miles where you can only get 1-2 stations Dustlawyer Dec 2017 #60

40 states with 80 senators are dominated by rw radio. here's some simple math certainot Dec 2017 #66

We need liberal radio EVERYWHERE. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #74

here's how americans can destroy the monopoly and open up a lot more stations certainot Dec 2017 #80

I listen to satellite. Rush and his ilk aren't on. They do have left/right channels though 7962 Dec 2017 #68

You are kidding! Millions of people listen to talk radio at least during their commute. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #72

I'm not at all surprised by the House "Ethics" Committee clearing Nunes. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #4

The House Ethics Committee is equal Republicans and Democrats. former9thward Dec 2017 #81

Well, let's research that and see what we can find out. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #90

I found that the Committee actually deferred to intel. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #91

My "slur"? LOL!!! GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #100

You are ignoring the role of Democrats on the committee. former9thward Dec 2017 #108

Right on and the proof is bluestarone Dec 2017 #110

Call it what it is: Corporatism/Fascism tetedur Dec 2017 #5

Of course this is a "representative Republic" . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Dec 2017 #8

And does anyone think the dems... tomp Dec 2017 #35

Agreed. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #50

I call it the kkk... pbmus Dec 2017 #67

FYI Here's a Democrat running for Nunes' seat. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #6

Kicking for THIS post. calimary Dec 2017 #62

I've been pondering this very question for some time now. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #7

Been the major topic of conversation Duppers Dec 2017 #12

Nothing will be done so long as Republicans are in charge of the House. kentuck Dec 2017 #9

Unless mueller indicts or arrests a bunch of GOP congress critters first. notdarkyet Dec 2017 #19

I'm not sure nothing will be done. If trump is incriminated and Congress refuses to act... brush Dec 2017 #30

I am relying on the NY and Baltimore AGs to nail both Jared BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #75

ONLY if they fear their constituents ... Duppers Dec 2017 #10

Is there a word for being furious yet frightened at the same time? mazzarro Dec 2017 #21

I like it. Duppers Dec 2017 #24

😪. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #98

absolute power corrupts... SWBTATTReg Dec 2017 #11

Then it will be tried in the court of public opinion and at the ballot box bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #13

Gerrymandering. In WI the districts are set up to have to have AJT Dec 2017 #27

Prosecutors can indict people around Trump, including Kushner and Pence. Once out of office lutherj Dec 2017 #14

That's optimistic. Duppers Dec 2017 #16

Agree 100% - n/t mazzarro Dec 2017 #23

Unfortunately Im lousy at predicting the future. Actually I wasnt asserting that lutherj Dec 2017 #34

Thanks...you're right here. Duppers Dec 2017 #39

Exactly. N/t lutherj Dec 2017 #54

Well, obviously the Republicans won't do anything. That's why we need to get a Democratic majority. yardwork Dec 2017 #17

The reality is that they do not care. mn9driver Dec 2017 #18

Trumpf himself was prescient about this during the campaign mazzarro Dec 2017 #26

That's one of the only times he's told the truth MustLoveBeagles Dec 2017 #82

It is possible that the republicans will not do their job wallyworld2 Dec 2017 #20

With the permeating infection of soulless thugs in the Republican Congress and Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #25

👍 Duppers Dec 2017 #42

Thank-you, Duppers! Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #61

That's why 2018 could our last chance. NT Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #28

With due respect to Robinson, people on DU have been asking that for months. Orrex Dec 2017 #29

Up "Shit's Creek"?... We need to start paddlin'. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #58

I have thought all along that if Trump and family are yuiyoshida Dec 2017 #31

The ugly reality... ewagner Dec 2017 #33

Republicans are so incompetent ... kentuck Dec 2017 #36

I am getting depressed... ewagner Dec 2017 #41

the power of propaganda cannot be exaggerated. kentuck Dec 2017 #45

... ewagner Dec 2017 #46

How true and sad. nt babylonsister Dec 2017 #84

That is entirely possible, and even likely. MineralMan Dec 2017 #37

Agree and add.... ewagner Dec 2017 #44

Those that do not see the danger... kentuck Dec 2017 #47

I keep posting the "focus on midterms" here on du Heartstrings Dec 2017 #63

Yes. I do, too. And with the same results. MineralMan Dec 2017 #64

No, very disheartening.... Heartstrings Dec 2017 #65

I've been warning about this for ages. There's no guarantee of a just outcome. What would help is OnDoutside Dec 2017 #38

Ignorance of a large part of the American public NoMoreRepugs Dec 2017 #40

I've slowly come to this realization the past few weeks. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #51

TRUMP being elected forced the Republicans to answer an existential question: Still In Wisconsin Dec 2017 #53

Trump doesn't respect the law or the electorate. He stole it, proudly. librechik Dec 2017 #55

The R Now Stands for RICO dlk Dec 2017 #56

The Party of Lincoln was assassinated by the Party of Trump? Thor_MN Dec 2017 #57

I just don't think its going to come to that. I'm doubting that theres going to be a huge revelation 7962 Dec 2017 #69

Earlier this week Terry Gross interviewed Jeffrey Toobin PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #71

I actually think this is the most likely outcome jimlup Dec 2017 #73

teacherken thats a name i haven't heard in a long time CentralMass Dec 2017 #77

I've assumed this will be the outcome mchill Dec 2017 #78

I think the relationship between Trump and the Republicans is misunderstood Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #79

At least no second term. With the added bonus of shedding Pence. nt oasis Dec 2017 #83

Multiple damning videos might not be enough Awsi Dooger Dec 2017 #85

This is the question Dems will be asking all the way to the Nov 2018 polls. McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #86

I have begun to wonder about that too. RealityChik Dec 2017 #87

Nah, the Dems will survive, hopefully wiser. babylonsister Dec 2017 #88

Because Trump will rubber stamp any Repbulican Agenda. YOHABLO Dec 2017 #93

This issue has been concerning me. area51 Dec 2017 #94

I think this is exactly what happened to Iran-Contra Investigation. Walsh had them nailed, then... Midnight Writer Dec 2017 #95

It's the same question David Roberts of Vox asked a while back. Garrett78 Dec 2017 #96

KnR Hekate Dec 2017 #97

ALL politicians must now call on Trump to resign Peaceful Protester Dec 2017 #101

im prepared for trump to walk away but not jarad....that may be trumps end. samnsara Dec 2017 #102

The Mueller Investigation Is in Mortal Danger Peaceful Protester Dec 2017 #103

Here is why I think that the 2018 elections will change the balance of power in DC. McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #104

If Mueller does have enough (or more than enough) evidence to indict, perhaps convict no_hypocrisy Dec 2017 #105

The scarier question treestar Dec 2017 #109

KnR Hekate Dec 2017 #111