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moriah

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47. Uh, she roasted Bill before calling for Al's resignation.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:34 PM
Dec 2017
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/17/politics/kirsten-gillibrand-bill-clinton/index.html

Speaking to The New York Times Thursday, Gillibrand, who holds Hillary Clinton's former seat, said of whether the former president should have stepped down, "Yes, I think that is the appropriate response."

Clinton was ultimately impeached over the scandal but was acquitted by the Senate and finished his term as president.

Gillibrand's remarks are particularly noteworthy considering she was a big supporter of Hillary Clinton's recent presidential campaign. She frequently spoke in support of the Clintons and traveled to campaign events to advocate for the former first lady.

"Things have changed today, and I think under those circumstances there should be a very different reaction," she said. "And I think in light of this conversation, we should have a very different conversation about President Trump, and a very different conversation about allegations against him."


In the same interview she said she was disappointed about Al, but it was in the very breaking moments of Tweeden's allegations.

I'll be blunt here. People have posted excerpts from articles from her 2014 book on the demeaning comments she got as a female Senator. Considering she was an appointee who managed, with help, to get re-elected, it's unsurprising that more experienced male Senators would make those comments to her, compared to more senior female Senators. But it is also unsurprising that any novice politician doesn't eventually decide what they want their issue to be.

Years before now, she decided her mission was to address military and campus sexual assault. I am willing to bet money that it wasn't until Stephanie Kemplin's accusation that Gillibrand truly called for Franken to resign, but while I'm typing let me Google.

Yep, she made her post on 12/6, and the Kemplin accusation came out on 11/30.

We have a serious optics issue for that allegation being brought before the committee, because that veteran claims (and her superior officer supports her claim) that she was sexually assaulted prior to meeting Al on that tour and it was mishandled. Yes, someone very sensitive and gentle could attempt to question her to make the military look bad for failing to act, and it was under the Bush administration.

But her emotional state is highly tied up in the fact she was in the early stages of untreated PTSD when Franken encountered her. Even the potentially true insinuation that she reacted to a touch to underarm, because it's innervated similarly to sideboob, with a PTSD-driven response will look *awful*. And that's leaving out the absolutely terrible optics of someone deciding to aggressively question why the military didn't act on her allegation of the pre-2007 vaguely defined "indecent assault". That alone could have made Gillibrand decide that the investigation hearings could do more harm than good.

When it was just Tweeden and a bunch of either anonymous or obviously Trump supporters, people who aggressive questioning to uncover lies would be considered capable of answering, that was one thing. While the day the Kemplin accusations came out I spoke to military friends, Conservative and Liberal and "Libertarian", and unless she was referring to a daytime duty tent, the "tent she shared" with her alleged assailant would have been a platoon tent -- aka, they weren't bunking privately, like the CNN article about her allegation implied. And allegedly her story was contaminated by her contacting Tweeden first.

But her breaking down in tears would be replayed in loop for 2 Minutes Hate every day on Faux News.

As I said the day he offered his resignation (though it isn't effective yet and probably won't be until several negotiations are complete about his replacement), I believe and still do believe that Franken will do what he thinks is best for his state, his party, and his country. On Tuesday, we get to learn if his decision to martyr himself for the Party will make a difference to Alabama voters. I pray it did have some impact other than losing a brave voice in the Senate.

I'm not considering Gillibrand as a potential 2020 candidate. I think there are the younger voices people want in the party in the form of people that are also more accomplished.

But I also don't think this is exactly out of character with her "pet causes", so sincerely doubt she's doing this because she has a personal grudge against Al.

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Oh Kristen [View all] SHRED Dec 2017 OP
And she did. After he helped her to get elected. LisaL Dec 2017 #1
I guess at least in Bill's case SHRED Dec 2017 #4
Hillary helped her as well dalton99a Dec 2017 #5
Anyone but Meowmee Dec 2017 #2
Then call out the Republicans! treestar Dec 2017 #3
She did call out the Republicans DesertRat Dec 2017 #8
That's good treestar Dec 2017 #9
She apparently forgives Bill SHRED Dec 2017 #11
Competition. mn9driver Dec 2017 #17
I suggested this very thing but my post was deleted for being right wing material Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #37
The trolls are big on alerting. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #43
The alerting trolls infidel621 Dec 2017 #55
Welcome back, who were you before? uppityperson Dec 2017 #57
Yes she did... quickesst Dec 2017 #13
Wake me up when demands they resign Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #22
Bingo SHRED Dec 2017 #25
Ah, so she's leveraging the ironclad morality and common decency of Republicans! Genius! hatrack Dec 2017 #31
It won't be the first time SHRED Dec 2017 #10
The Komrads are out in full force Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #27
List? SHRED Dec 2017 #32
Go to your account page click jury blacklist Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #35
I wouldn't know who SHRED Dec 2017 #36
Uh, she roasted Bill before calling for Al's resignation. moriah Dec 2017 #47
So she was unaware... SHRED Dec 2017 #48
I've gotten people mad at me for saying it in the past... moriah Dec 2017 #49
That's a very interesting post, but Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #58
Maybe she was unaware of Bill's history at that time. Autumn Dec 2017 #6
She sounds a little nervous. She should be. greeny2323 Dec 2017 #7
Why we should be concerned about Gillibrand avebury Dec 2017 #12
+1 dalton99a Dec 2017 #14
+10 SHRED Dec 2017 #15
+1 Heartstrings Dec 2017 #30
Very well said. bench scientist Dec 2017 #34
Add to that, she supported Due Process for the Tobacco Industry, Dawson Leery Dec 2017 #46
This! +1 (nt) infidel621 Dec 2017 #56
Why didn't you post the article that went along with that photo? DesertRat Dec 2017 #16
Maybe she'll invite Al to campaign for her also? SHRED Dec 2017 #20
Just had a funny image of Franken the comic delisen Dec 2017 #54
My opinion on Kristen gillibrand quickesst Dec 2017 #18
+10 SHRED Dec 2017 #19
Thanks SHRED quickesst Dec 2017 #21
We need to stand for fairness SHRED Dec 2017 #23
Absolutely! MoonRiver Dec 2017 #24
Selective zero tolerance SHRED Dec 2017 #28
Agreed quickesst Dec 2017 #26
+1 agree they are regretting their actions flamingdem Dec 2017 #29
I believe... quickesst Dec 2017 #38
We're seeing the way the senate dems really work, it's cliqueish flamingdem Dec 2017 #41
That's the way I see it quickesst Dec 2017 #42
Exactly. And this is the environment that Franken would have faced if he had chosen to fight. Tatiana Dec 2017 #50
Well said. n/t ms liberty Dec 2017 #39
Thanks quickesst Dec 2017 #40
When icons of the Democratic Party that heavily supported your campaigns democratisphere Dec 2017 #33
K and r. cwydro Dec 2017 #44
But only after theyve outlived their usefulness for you. onecaliberal Dec 2017 #45
Gillibrand workinclasszero Dec 2017 #51
Well, unless it's convenient. CentralMass Dec 2017 #52
Exactly! fallout87 Dec 2017 #53
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