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In reply to the discussion: As a gun owner and a former member of the NRA I have arrived at the opinion that there should be [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)125. You are ignoring the fact that many Democrats own firearms and support RKBA ...
I will agree with your statement "I think most people who are willing to change their vote based on this would end up voting for (R)s anyways."
I have often talked to gun owners who agreed with many of the views of our party but have told me that they would NEVER vote for a Republican as they believe that all Democrats wish to implement draconian gun laws. Since they enjoy the shooting sports and often have a considerable amount of money invested in their hobby they do show up at the polls to vote. When you considered that there are an estimated 80 million gun owners in our nation, many who are one issue voters, how many close elections have we lost over the gun control issue?
You may have many good reasons to oppose firearms but it is unfair to expect that all Democrats feel as you do. You may take a strong stand on this issue which is your right but do not expect everybody in our party to support you.
I will agree that we need to and should improve the gun laws in this nation. We probably differ considerably on what we would call "basic common sense legislation." For example I feel that an NICS background check should be required to purchase any firearm in this nation which is actually a stronger plan than simply closing the "gun show loophole" often advocated by our party and the Brady Campaign.
When I sell my one my firearms I have to personally know the person who is buying it and he/she has to have a concealed weapons permit. Yesterday my son in law asked me if I had a firearm I would sell to one of his good friends. I really don't know this individual and since he doesn't have a valid carry permit I would never sell a firearm to him even if I did have one I wished to sell (which currently I don't).
It appears that you wish to implement another "assault weapons" ban or at least a prohibition on high capacity magazines. I feel such ideas would accomplish little and in fact the effort to pass such laws would cost our party dearly.
I could point out that while violent crime is a an important issue in our nation it has dropped to levels last seen in the 60s.
Crime in the United States
Crime statistics for the United States are published annually by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the Uniform Crime Reports which represents crimes reported to the police. The Bureau of Justice Statistics conducts the annual National Crime Victimization Survey which captures crimes not reported to the police.
In 2009 America's crime rate was roughly the same as in 1968, with the homicide rate being at its lowest level since 1964. Overall, the national crime rate was 3466 crimes per 100,000 residents, down from 3680 crimes per 100,000 residents forty years earlier in 1969 (-9.4%).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
We face far more important problems in this nation. We need to reelect Obama as Romney would be a catastrophe and we need to get more seats in Congress. The gun control issue has been a ball and chain attached to the ankle of our party.
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As a gun owner and a former member of the NRA I have arrived at the opinion that there should be [View all]
doc03
Jul 2012
OP
And you've just made the case that >5 round mags are reasonable for self-defense purposes
aikoaiko
Jul 2012
#65
Bingo! We have a winner! A COP should be able to take a perp out with 5 rounds but
doc03
Jul 2012
#100
Maximum of 10-15 round magazines for handguns. Five ought to be the limit for long guns.
Kaleva
Jul 2012
#134
So in most cases, brandishing a convincing replica of a gun would suffice to repel an assailant --
klook
Jul 2012
#152
The police carry standard capacity mags for self-defense and defense of others...
aikoaiko
Jul 2012
#64
yes, I do. The 10 round limit is not standard -- it is a reduce capacity for most full size handguns
aikoaiko
Jul 2012
#82
That is asinine. Heck, police have to arm up and be more cautious with all the gunners carrying.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#53
So which is it, are you a really bad shot or do you figure on being rushed by a bakers dozen?
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2012
#107
"There is a direct correlation between how strict or not gun ownership laws are, and death rates"
EX500rider
Jul 2012
#124
Can't find a particular reference to using suppressors for hunting in those countries.
GoneOffShore
Jul 2012
#99
Bullseye course of fire - 5 rounds in twenty seconds and 5 rounds in ten seconds.
geckosfeet
Jul 2012
#62
Another serious question: How many crimes are committed with 100-round magazines?
Atypical Liberal
Jul 2012
#13
I think banning things that are hardly ever used in crimes is unreasonable.
Atypical Liberal
Jul 2012
#76
The poster you are replying to never sees the need to back up their assertions.
zappaman
Jul 2012
#139
Why don't we ask people struck by lightning what they think about it?
Atypical Liberal
Jul 2012
#144
When I was a kid my dad gave me a single shot rifle and that taought me to make the first
doc03
Jul 2012
#109
it banned high capacity magazines like the 100 round one the shooter used
Motown_Johnny
Jul 2012
#85
During the "ban" both AR-15 rifles and high capacity magazines were available ...
spin
Jul 2012
#113
So banning weapons increases their sales.. and tax cuts increase revenues too!
Motown_Johnny
Jul 2012
#121
Actually, Permatex, those into guns obsessively should pay price. Without them, gun manufacturers
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#57
Maybe you should ask yourself why gun violence is so dramatically different in the US.
HuckleB
Jul 2012
#45
at what point does an assult rifle become the equivalent of an automatic weapon ?
azurnoir
Jul 2012
#26
How about keep it all legal but require references and a psych eval for the big stuff?
harun
Jul 2012
#49
As a former hunter that still keeps a shotgun and rifle in the house even though I no
appleannie1
Jul 2012
#51
How about just storing all guns in armories? Want to play with them? Check 'em out.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2012
#74
They shouldn't allow people to easily acquire a semi-automatic weapon like a glock....
AntiFascist
Jul 2012
#97
The clip in my 20 gauge shotgun holds two cartridges. That's plenty for most situations.
HopeHoops
Jul 2012
#80
"skeet shooting those old AOL disks" - LOL! I've got a 2.0 floppy right next to me!!!
HopeHoops
Jul 2012
#143
I've sold a shitload of the CDs. They went through a period of making really cool ones.
HopeHoops
Jul 2012
#156
Your shooting out blindly in a darkened, smoke-filled and overwhelmingly LOUD theater
hlthe2b
Jul 2012
#111

