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93. The men were squeamish about tainting the Senate chamber with discussions of what Thomas

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 02:27 PM

Dec 2017

had actually done -- repeatedly discuss porn movies with Hill.

Imagine how Hill felt encountering those discussions of penises and pubic hair alone with her employer IN HER JOB, and then having to go up in front of a panel of 14 white men to explain it. But she was brave enough to do so.

And NO it wasn't normal procedure for them to give Thomas her entire written testimony to respond to BEFORE she could read it. It doesn't work that way in Court and it shouldn't have worked that way in the Senate.

You may doubt that the porn seller's testimony would have changed any votes, but Biden didn't. It would have proved that Thomas was a liar, and that would have been key. And so would the public testimony of other women who said that he had also harassed them. I believe the women that they were prepared to speak. But if Biden decided to not call them to spare their feelings, he was wrong. He let down Anita Hill and millions of women across the country who watched what happened to her when she so bravely came forward.

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Biden and Kennedy III now that is a big fucking ticket [View all] demtenjeep Dec 2017 OP

Midterms first.... Heartstrings Dec 2017 #1

Anybody but gilibraing and And Harris! bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #2

Biden supported this terrible bankruptcy bill while he was in Congress. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #68

YEAH! MORE LEGACY CANDIDATES! Atman Dec 2017 #99

yea sounds bluestarone Dec 2017 #3

Did anyone else see the show? elleng Dec 2017 #4

Yes, I saw it and loved it. Jill is wonderful, too. nt R B Garr Dec 2017 #14

I like that combo too, my dear demtenjeep! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2017 #5

What is a House candidate that nobody's heard of a good choice? brooklynite Dec 2017 #6

Because (obviously) some have heard of him, elleng Dec 2017 #20

Well, I'd refer you to 1920...an obscure Assistant Secretary of the Navy... First Speaker Dec 2017 #24

That ticket lost ... EffieBlack Dec 2017 #46

for reasons that had nothing to do with young FDR being on the ticket Bucky Dec 2017 #82

Biden has the Anita Hill issue. Anita Hill which was a real case of sexual harrassment JI7 Dec 2017 #7

he cast the NO vote and believed Hill demtenjeep Dec 2017 #8

it was his behavior during the hearings and not calling certain witnesses JI7 Dec 2017 #10

problem is has never apologized for essentially hanging Anita Hill out to dry. More than that still_one Dec 2017 #26

Long gone, but, he certainly has earned the right to run again. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #32

Of course he has every right to run, I just would personally prefer someone else still_one Dec 2017 #36

Understandable... me too. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #37

But Hillarys supposed to go away and shut up EffieBlack Dec 2017 #47

You know it's some double standard nonsense JHan Dec 2017 #51

The fact that people are even seriously discussing a Biden candidacy says it all EffieBlack Dec 2017 #54

++++ some of the same people who complained about hillary being flawed are loving biden.. JHan Dec 2017 #55

They love him BECAUSE hes flawed which they think makes him human and likeable EffieBlack Dec 2017 #57

Yep. It's shallow. JHan Dec 2017 #59

Also "they love him BECAUSE he's flawed" - there's a lot there JHan Dec 2017 #67

And lets not talk about his history on desegregation and busing that he never apologized for EffieBlack Dec 2017 #48

I'll hafta look that one up... was unaware of that history. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #81

Here is some info EffieBlack Dec 2017 #95

Thanks for that... I support your position. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #98

She had witnesses but Biden did not call question everything Dec 2017 #16

Yes elleng Dec 2017 #17

He RAN the committee that failed to give Anita a fair hearing. He didn't call the bullshit then. pnwmom Dec 2017 #27

That's not what the record shows, at all. The confirmation hearings went on for 34 days. ucrdem Dec 2017 #45

Hill made it into the history books DESPITE Bidens efforts, not because of them EffieBlack Dec 2017 #49

Yes, it was l-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-n-n-n-g ... those 34 days. KPN Dec 2017 #53

The first month wasn't about Anita Hill. She was tacked onto the end. pnwmom Dec 2017 #58

34 days? What a crock. He didn't have Anita Hill testify till a month into the hearings. pnwmom Dec 2017 #56

Biden voted against Thomas, arranged for witnesses against him to testify, and they did. ucrdem Dec 2017 #63

Yes he did. He also called the corroborating witnesses -- Wright at least did not volunteer -- ucrdem Dec 2017 #43

Thats revisionist history. Thats not how it happened. EffieBlack Dec 2017 #52

It's what the record shows. It also shows that Biden was unfailingly kind to Hill, ucrdem Dec 2017 #60

I suggest you go back and study the full record, not just a CYA letter written by Biden EffieBlack Dec 2017 #65

Thanks, and likewise. Why you think Biden is at fault here is a mystery. nt ucrdem Dec 2017 #66

"that's not exactly what they put out afterwards." In other words, they dispute pnwmom Dec 2017 #61

They were all called to testify, and Hill did. The rebuttal wasn't pretty and the others didn't. ucrdem Dec 2017 #64

Biden's questioning itself was harsh. And he never should have allowed the ridiculous testimony pnwmom Dec 2017 #69

Yes a lot of people could have done a better job including Ogletree. ucrdem Dec 2017 #71

Biden had complete control of his OWN questioning of her and he questioned her as if pnwmom Dec 2017 #72

Yes I watched them. I'd forgotten the details until I saw the CSPAN ucrdem Dec 2017 #74

I never said he didn't let her testify. I said Biden made her submit her statement in writing, pnwmom Dec 2017 #75

Biden was chairing a confirmation hearing, not a star chamber. ucrdem Dec 2017 #85

The men were squeamish about tainting the Senate chamber with discussions of what Thomas pnwmom Dec 2017 #93

Hill's testimony was compelling and she held up in the rebuttals. ucrdem Dec 2017 #109

Biden himself acknowledged that the testimony he excluded would have "decimated" Thomas. pnwmom Dec 2017 #110

He also said that the corroborating witnesses backed out at the last minute. ucrdem Dec 2017 #113

They say that's not true and so does Anita Hill. And the owner of the video store pnwmom Dec 2017 #114

So he's lying except when he says something you want to hear? ucrdem Dec 2017 #115

Please read the Post article. They interviewed several Democratic representatives who remember pnwmom Dec 2017 #116

Yes they thought it mete to rev up the swiftboat on what occasion exactly? ucrdem Dec 2017 #117

It's swift boating him to respond to the self-serving interview he had recently given to Politico? pnwmom Dec 2017 #118

Yes and they really ought to know better. Ditto in the Franken matter. To borrow a phrase, ucrdem Dec 2017 #119

You think these women shouldn't correct the record when he gives interviews and says things pnwmom Dec 2017 #120

I don't think Democrats should attack Democrats, no, particularly when they don't have a case. ucrdem Dec 2017 #121

Anita was NOT treated kindly and fairly by Biden. His questioning of her was harsh, pnwmom Dec 2017 #122

Now that would be a conversation worth having. R B Garr Dec 2017 #11

Oh for fucks sake....find me someone who is unblemished. n/t Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #33

Thanks nini Dec 2017 #111

Did you mean onen or one? The Wielding Truth Dec 2017 #9

I could totally support that ticket. I've been watching Kennedy this year and he just makes sense. Greywing Dec 2017 #12

Agreed! Watching Biden on MSNBC made me think R B Garr Dec 2017 #13

Yes elleng Dec 2017 #15

I have always wanted Biden in demtenjeep Dec 2017 #107

Biden will be 78 in 2020 IphengeniaBlumgarten Dec 2017 #18

Kennedy would only be 39. R B Garr Dec 2017 #23

Two east coast white guys cancels out the age "balance." n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #70

Some of those standards dont have the same R B Garr Dec 2017 #91

Our next nominee has to have nerves of steel. Biden is not that guy. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #94

He seems to have nerves of steel to me, but agreed R B Garr Dec 2017 #96

He wants to be liked -- that doesn't translate into nerves of steel. His wanting to be liked pnwmom Dec 2017 #97

The days of the old guys and gals ar gone. Where are good new guys?Kennedy might be ok. But dynasty? bobbieinok Dec 2017 #19

Dynasty? nini Dec 2017 #112

White guys, yeah that's the future. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #21

LOL. They don't get it. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #28

That might be too limiting. Funtatlaguy Dec 2017 #77

People will say he is too old BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #22

Besides, his opponent would be no spring chicken himself. sandensea Dec 2017 #31

The 2017 photo is too attractive. "Fake Photo!" BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #34

He must have just come back from Mar-a-Lago sandensea Dec 2017 #38

I think before 2020, it will be President Pence Funtatlaguy Dec 2017 #79

I think the country is ready for another Kennedy world wide wally Dec 2017 #25

right....shut up.... mentalslavery Dec 2017 #29

I'm not kidding in the least world wide wally Dec 2017 #35

You may have something there. nt Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #30

Not interested in Kennedy III, he is a reefer madness kook. tritsofme Dec 2017 #39

+1000. Kennedy will never get my vote rollin74 Dec 2017 #104

Joe is too old Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2017 #40

My republican dad who follows everything right wing blue cat Dec 2017 #41

They have been circulating that for YEARS. T'aint nothing new. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #89

I like Joe Biden but his ship has sailed, we need someone doc03 Dec 2017 #42

I agree janterry Dec 2017 #83

Biden issues: Big banks, wrote the crime bill, delisen Dec 2017 #44

No way and meh. Biden doesn't resonate w women. He failed us and it will bite him on the ass. bettyellen Dec 2017 #50

In this new "silence breaker" reality ... Biden wouldn't have a chance SFnomad Dec 2017 #62

Silence Breaker RobinA Dec 2017 #88

The Republicans will do an Al Franken on octoberlib Dec 2017 #73

Too white and too male kydo Dec 2017 #76

Two white men? oberliner Dec 2017 #78

This Female RobinA Dec 2017 #90

You mean you don't care about style points? BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #100

I am a white female I guess I have to admit that at 50+1 I am middle age demtenjeep Dec 2017 #108

K&R stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #80

Biden could mend ties with countries woodsprite Dec 2017 #84

Biden? WhiteTara Dec 2017 #86

K&R Gothmog Dec 2017 #87

So much for new blood lame54 Dec 2017 #92

Love them both but cilla4progress Dec 2017 #101

I like it. Of course, two Irishmen. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #102

It would get me to the polls! lunatica Dec 2017 #103

a definite NO on Kennedy. Im undecided on Biden rollin74 Dec 2017 #105

Biden is an historically awful candidate. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #106