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karynnj

(60,984 posts)
18. Pawlenty may be the most consistently overrated politician in the country
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 10:01 AM
Dec 2017

I remember when he was suppose to be a frontrunner in 2012 and was spoken of in the very early days in 2015 as a possibility. To put it mildly, he completely underperformed in Iowa, a MN border state.

https://newrepublic.com/article/84855/tim-pawlenty-republican-frontrunner-2012

From a Minnesota paper, it sound like the interest in him mostly reflects that the Republicans have a very shallow bench. It also notes that he is currently a lobbyist for organizations like banks. He was governor until 2011 - meaning he will have been out of office for 7 years by the time he could be running.
http://www.startribune.com/pawlenty-for-governor-in-2018-talk-of-comeback-bid-getting-louder/450920483/

Here is an article from 2010, his last year as Governor shows that his approval rating was at 42%. The Republican who ran in the race to replace him lost badly. The following link includes a chart showing his approval rating in MN over his entire time as Governor. This really backs the Star Tribune implication that it is the dearth of Republican political talent that makes him interesting.

http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2006/12/20/minnesotas-approval-of-pawlent/

Now, as to Franken, the big thing is that he was not up until 2020. For Democrats, it means an extra race in 2018 when we are already defending a huge number of states. Not to mention, if we win as is very likely, the seat is STILL up in 2020 again. Note that NONE of that says anything about Al Franken.

Once the accusations came out, they destroyed Franken's approval in Minnesota. Because he resigned, we will have a race in 2018, which we will be favored to win - even against Pawlenty. (I would doubt that his years as a lobbyist will improve his popularity from when he was governor. ) Any candidate will have Senator Klobuchar, who has an approval rating that is among the highest for Senators - 72% last April - supporting him or her. http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-poll-results-senatorial-job-approval-ratings/420758934/

However, it likely means we could have a stronger incumbent in 2020. While you can see in the link on Klobuchar, last April, he had a 58% approval rating. Other polls put him at 52 - 53 before the accusations. If there were no accusations, he would have been in reasonably good shape - given those numbers and Minnesota's orientation. However, his approval plummeted with those accusations to numbers in the 30s. However, in projecting where he would be in 2020, it is likely that BOTH of these estimates would be wrong. It is unlikely that he would be as high as he was before the accusations (they will have some lasting effect), but he would be nowhere near as low as he was when they first came out. Even with a small impact, he changes from a shoo in to a toss up.

I would assume that any Democrat who wins in 2018 will be given a huge amount of support to help them look good in the Senate. This is what happened in 2006, when we were in the minority in both Houses, and Menendez was appointed after Corzine became Governor of NJ. It was Menendez,who sponsored some popular in blue state's amendments that would play well in NJ - that were regularly done by Democrats. It is very possible that this new Senator will be as strong or stronger in terms of re-election than Franken would be.

Still - we have two chances to lose the state, when we used to have one.

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So T-paw is back... gillibrand's blowback Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #1
Still hoping that Al Franken decides to change his mind & can tell Pawlenty he has to wait till 2020 Pachamama Dec 2017 #2
And you're worried because...why? brooklynite Dec 2017 #3
He was also elected Governor twice by Minnesota's voters. Mister Ed Dec 2017 #4
I'm in MN for graduate school right now, liberalhistorian Dec 2017 #27
LiberalHxn, you say "what you hear" and "widely believed." Hortensis Dec 2017 #46
"DAMN! Pawlenty practically announced he's running for Franken's seat on CNN!" LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #52
I wasn't talking about Pawlenty himself, Lena, but Hortensis Dec 2017 #53
Presidential politics are a lot different than a Senate race in one state Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #5
You obviously don't understand MN politics MrsMatt Dec 2017 #6
Franken barely won Minnesota, there is reason for concern which is why Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #8
And is resignation the only punishment, even assuming accusations are true (which I don't)? LisaL Dec 2017 #12
I don't think what he is accused of (which I don't believe) rises to the level of Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #41
He was re-elected with 53.2% of the vote. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #36
He barely won the first time. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #39
Yes. I said he barely won the first time. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #59
My point was he had the incumbent advantage the second time. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #60
No kidding. n/t GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #61
As an incumbent. There is always an advantage for an incumbent.... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #42
He won by a healthy margin for re-election. LBM20 Dec 2017 #50
I'm worried because we needlessly took a safe Dem seat, and made it wide open. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #9
And we could end up losing it. LisaL Dec 2017 #11
Unfortunately, that is true. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #14
Franken's approval rating dropped into the mid-30s mythology Dec 2017 #16
Link or at least source? MoonRiver Dec 2017 #17
KSTP TV brooklynite Dec 2017 #22
What would his support be if there were an Ethics Committee Investigation? MoonRiver Dec 2017 #24
Likely not better, and possibly worse..... brooklynite Dec 2017 #26
Go promote your senators and stop attacking mine. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #31
Thanks to Gillibrand and her Mob, we'll never know. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #34
!!! Alice11111 Dec 2017 #54
So 55% want him stay and go to Ethic Committee riverwalker Dec 2017 #37
Yeah but Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #19
Good grief...of course it dropped....Without an Ethics Hearing we will never know....nt Ninga Dec 2017 #20
We had six years...to go...so we could have waited run the investigation and see what happens. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #43
That was in a 3-week window. Polls change, moonscape Dec 2017 #58
You're acting irrational again... one action does not define a totality. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #21
I don't like Pawlenty. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #7
Of course he is. So will Norm Coleman. Stinky The Clown Dec 2017 #10
Coleman has already said hes not running. brooklynite Dec 2017 #13
I trust him abourt as much as I'd trust liberalhistorian Dec 2017 #28
Gee, who saw that coming?! demmiblue Dec 2017 #15
Does anyone else have the sneaking liberalhistorian Dec 2017 #30
I think this is exactly what happened...and some in our party helped them...so pissed. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #44
Pawlenty may be the most consistently overrated politician in the country karynnj Dec 2017 #18
He's a legend in his own mind liberalhistorian Dec 2017 #29
LOL -- It is fascinating how the media forms CW around some who really did not have the karynnj Dec 2017 #33
2018 is shaping up to be a Blue Wave. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #23
The problem is that, outside of the twin liberalhistorian Dec 2017 #32
The pussy grabber is thankful for the opening workinclasszero Dec 2017 #25
Did he talk about how his DOT let a bridge fall down on his watch? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #35
Bannon said he targeting Minnesota riverwalker Dec 2017 #38
That so sucks. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #40
That was as sure as the sun coming up. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #56
We already have an uphill battle next year eissa Dec 2017 #45
Gillibrand really overplayed her hand. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #47
I truly hope so eissa Dec 2017 #48
Me too. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #49
2018 is going to be a blue wave year. Get a good Dem to run and tie Pawlenty to Trump. LBM20 Dec 2017 #51
The law of unintended consequences Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #55
First thing he needs to be asked is if he supports an investigation into allegations about Trump book_worm Dec 2017 #57
Why should I worry about a guy who's been out of office for 7 years? brooklynite Dec 2017 #62
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