How does anyone reconcile the fact that innocent people are killed every day buy gun owners

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88. How does one reconcile any other false or mostly false assertion?

By refuting them, like this:

"How does anyone reconcile the fact that innocent people are killed every day buy gun owners and an interpretation of the 2nd Amendment that says you can own a gun or guns of any type and take them anywhere you want to."

Yes, innocent people are killed by gun owners every day. You're 1 for 1.

No, the current interpretation of the second amendment does not say "you can own a gun or guns of any type". now you're 1 for 2.

No, the current interpretation of the second amendment does not say you can "take them anywhere you want to".

Now you're 1 for 3.

"Don't I have a right to go some place and feel safe that there isn't a gun owner there with gun?"

You certainly have that right in your own home. Everywhere else, not necessarily so much. BTW, the theater in question was a "gun free zone" presumtively to make people "feel" safe.

Ask those people in the theater how safe they feel now, and ask them what good those signs did.

Ask yourself while you're at it.

"I feel that we as a people have the right to make laws that say you can't take your gun here or there."

Of course you do. The owners of the theater have the right to declare it a gun free zone too, and they did.

What good did it do? Why will any new law you make be obeyed when the current ones weren't? The current ones will be enough to proecute the perp, so whats to be gained by new ones? The theater owners declared their theater a gun free zone, and yet took no measures to ensure that it actually WAS a gun free zone. How do you feel about that?

Please answer those questions honestly.


"And no I don't want you to be there with your gun to shoot the bad guy should he appear."

Well, hey, that wish was granted, in the Colorado shooting.

"I feel that I have rights too. The right to restrict gun ownership and usage."

Of course you do, just as others feel they have the right to restrict uterus usage. Siamese twins, those two.

Your right to restricting gun ownership and usage has its limits.

"There is no absolute right provided by the Constitution to unlimited gun ownership and usage. The latest court rulings even state that reasonable restrictions on gun rights are constitutional."

First of all, rights aren't "provided" by the constitution. They're protected by the bill of rights.

And while "reasonable" restrictions may be constitutional, restricting things to the point that only the tiniest exercise of the right is allowed, just isn't reasonable.


"Now if I am not on a bunch of their ignore lists I imagine a bunch of gun owners will reply with their NRA talking points and insults and bullying tactics. By their words shall you know them."

I love it when the "nra talking points" meme gets trotted out. Of course, you hadn't stopped to consider, that the nra represents around 4 million, and there are over 80 million gun owners in America - and that perhaps these talking points you refer to, aren't "nra talking points" at all, but "gun owner talking points" which the nra chooses to parrot.

As far as insults, I've been here at du for a long time. For over ten years as a reader, and for over 8 as a poster, and its a simple fact, that the insults come from the anti-gun side at a ratio of about three for every one that comes from the pro-gun side. Ever seen anti-gunners being called needledicked compensators, or being accused of needing a compensation device?

Thats an entire catagory of insults that the anti-gun side has the market cornered on. I bet if you look, you can find 50 of them in the last three days or more, and maybe 1 in that catagory from pro-gunners.

Care to take me up on that wager?


"Bully tactics"? LOL. Please.

Asking for someone to back their arguments with an unbiased source, calling someone on bullshit when its clearly bullshit...those aren't bully tactics.

Neither is it bully tactics when you on the anti-gun side are outnumbered between 7 to 1 and 10 to 1 by pro-gunners. Nor is it bully tactics to point out any of the above.

The brady campaign and MAIG and all the anti-gun groups have a combined membership of ...maybe 100 thousand. Maybe.

The nra, goa, saf, and various state orgs have 5 million plus.

You do the math.