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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:49 AM Jul 2012

Jason Alexander long twit on Assault Weapons [View all]

I'd like to preface this long tweet by saying that my passion comes from my deepest sympathy and shared sorrow with yesterday's victims and with the utmost respect for the people and the police/fire/medical/political forces of Aurora and all who seek to comfort and aid these victims.

This morning, I made a comment about how I do not understand people who support public ownership of assault style weapons like the AR-15 used in the Colorado massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

That comment, has of course, inspired a lot of feedback. There have been many tweets of agreement and sympathy but many, many more that have been challenging at the least, hostile and vitriolic at the worst.

Clearly, the angry, threatened and threatening, hostile comments are coming from gun owners and gun advocates. Despite these massacres recurring and despite the 100,000 Americans that die every year due to domestic gun violence - these people see no value to even considering some kind of control as to what kinds of weapons are put in civilian hands.

Many of them cite patriotism as their reason - true patriots support the Constitution adamantly and wholly. Constitution says citizens have the right to bear arms in order to maintain organized militias. I'm no constitutional scholar so here it is from the document itself:

As passed by the Congress:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

So the patriots are correct, gun ownership is in the constitution - if you're in a well-regulated militia. Let's see what no less a statesman than Alexander Hamilton had to say about a militia:

"A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss."

Or from Merriam-Webster dictionary:
Definition of MILITIA
1
a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency
b : a body of citizens organized for military service
2
: the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

The advocates of guns who claim patriotism and the rights of the 2nd Amendment - are they in well-regulated militias? For the vast majority - the answer is no.

Then I get messages from seemingly decent and intelligent people who offer things like: @BrooklynAvi: Guns should only be banned if violent crimes committed with tomatoes means we should ban tomatoes. OR @nysportsguys1: Drunk drivers kill, should we ban fast cars?

I'm hoping that right after they hit send, they take a deep breath and realize that those arguments are completely specious. I believe tomatoes and cars have purposes other than killing. What purpose does an AR-15 serve to a sportsman that a more standard hunting rifle does not serve? Let's see - does it fire more rounds without reload? Yes. Does it fire farther and more accurately? Yes. Does it accommodate a more lethal payload? Yes. So basically, the purpose of an assault style weapon is to kill more stuff, more fully, faster and from further away. To achieve maximum lethality. Hardly the primary purpose of tomatoes and sports cars.

Then there are the tweets from the extreme right - these are the folk who believe our government has been corrupted and stolen and that the forces of evil are at play, planning to take over this nation and these folk are going to fight back and take a stand. And any moron like me who doesn't see it should...
a. be labeled a moron
b. shut the fuck up
c. be removed

And amazingly, I have some minor agreement with these folks. I believe there are evil forces at play in our government. But I call them corporatists. I call them absolutists. I call them the kind of ideologues from both sides, but mostly from the far right who swear allegiance to unelected officials that regardless of national need or global conditions, are never to levy a tax. That they are never to compromise or seek solutions with the other side. That are to obstruct every possible act of governance, even the ones they support or initiate. Whose political and social goal is to marginalize the other side, vilify and isolate them with the hope that they will surrender, go away or die out.

These people believe that the US government is eventually going to go street by street and enslave our citizens. Now as long as that is only happening to liberals, homosexuals and democrats - no problem. But if they try it with anyone else - it's going to be arms-ageddon and these committed, God-fearing, brave souls will then use their military-esque arsenal to show the forces of our corrupt government whats-what. These people think they meet the definition of a "militia". They don't. At least not the constitutional one. And, if it should actually come to such an unthinkable reality, these people believe they would win. That's why they have to "take our country back". From who? From anyone who doesn't think like them or see the world like them. They hold the only truth, everyone else is dangerous. Ever meet a terrorist that doesn't believe that? Just asking.

Then there are the folks who write that if everyone in Colorado had a weapon, this maniac would have been stopped. Perhaps. But I do believe that the element of surprise, tear gas and head to toe kevlar protection might have given him a distinct edge. Not only that, but a crowd of people firing away in a chaotic arena without training or planning - I tend to think that scenario could produce even more victims.

Lastly, there are these well-intended realists that say that people like this evil animal would get these weapons even if we regulated them. And they may be right. But he wouldn't have strolled down the road to Kmart and picked them up. Regulated, he would have had to go to illegal sources - sources that could possibly be traced, watched, overseen. Or he would have to go deeper online and those transactions could be monitored. "Hm, some guy in Aurora is buying guns, tons of ammo and kevlar - plus bomb-making ingredients and tear gas. Maybe we should check that out."

But that won't happen as long as all that activity is legal and unrestricted.

I have been reading on and off as advocates for these weapons make their excuses all day long. Guns don't kill - people do. Well if that's correct, I go with @BrooklynAvi, let them kill with tomatoes. Let them bring baseball bats, knives, even machetes --- a mob can deal with that.

There is no excuse for the propagation of these weapons. They are not guaranteed or protected by our constitution. If they were, then we could all run out and purchase a tank, a grenade launcher, a bazooka, a SCUD missile and a nuclear warhead. We could stockpile napalm and chemical weapons and bomb-making materials in our cellars under our guise of being a militia.

These weapons are military weapons. They belong in accountable hands, controlled hands and trained hands. They should not be in the hands of private citizens to be used against police, neighborhood intruders or people who don't agree with you. These are the weapons that maniacs acquire to wreak murder and mayhem on innocents. They are not the same as handguns to help homeowners protect themselves from intruders. They are not the same as hunting rifles or sporting rifles. These weapons are designed for harm and death on big scales.

SO WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEM? WHY DO YOU NOT, AT LEAST, AGREE TO SIT WITH REASONABLE PEOPLE FROM BOTH SIDES AND ASK HARD QUESTIONS AND LOOK AT HARD STATISTICS AND POSSIBLY MAKE SOME COMPROMISES FOR THE GREATER GOOD? SO THAT MOTHERS AND FATHERS AND CHILDREN ARE NOT SLAUGHTERED QUITE SO EASILY BY THESE MONSTERS? HOW CAN IT HURT TO STOP DEFENDING THESE THINGS AND AT LEAST CONSIDER HOW WE CAN ALL WORK TO TRY TO PREVENT ANOTHER DAY LIKE YESTERDAY?

We will not prevent every tragedy. We cannot stop every maniac. But we certainly have done ourselves no good by allowing these particular weapons to be acquired freely by just about anyone.

I'll say it plainly - if someone wants these weapons, they intend to use them. And if they are willing to force others to "pry it from my cold, dead hand", then they are probably planning on using them on people.

So, sorry those of you who tell me I'm an actor, or a has-been or an idiot or a commie or a liberal and that I should shut up. You can not watch my stuff, you can unfollow and you can call me all the names you like. I may even share some of them with my global audience so everyone can get a little taste of who you are.

But this is not the time for reasonable people, on both sides of this issue, to be silent. We owe it to the people whose lives were ended and ruined yesterday to insist on a real discussion and hopefully on some real action.

In conclusion, whoever you are and wherever you stand on this issue, I hope you have the joy of family with you today. Hold onto them and love them as best you can. Tell them what they mean to you. Yesterday, a whole bunch of them went to the movies and tonight their families are without them. Every day is precious. Every life is precious. Take care. Be well. Be safe. God bless.

Jason Alexander

the number is changed new.

Correction all: the 100,000 guns deaths should be 100,000 incidents of death or injury with guns per annum. My bad. Number still sucks."

http://twitter.com/ijasonalexander/status/226879330377146369


But is not change the thought.




link added plus ..... this is a public twit....no copy write problem



http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht

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"despite the 100,000 Americans that die every year due to domestic gun violence" is not true! Logical Jul 2012 #1
I'm sure he believes every word he wrote... ileus Jul 2012 #2
I'm glad you are happy with 10,000 Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #6
I am not happy with ONE. But bullshit lies to make a point does not help matters. get it? Logical Jul 2012 #9
When is a typo == bullshit lie? paparush Jul 2012 #20
A "typo" is a bullshit lie when it goes uncorrected and gets intentionally propagated to copies slackmaster Jul 2012 #27
Soon We'll Reach 100,000 Deaths Per Year otohara Jul 2012 #38
With rates of violent crime of all kinds going down, it's going to be a long wait slackmaster Jul 2012 #39
Patience Grasshopper otohara Jul 2012 #75
It sounds like you WANT that to happen slackmaster Jul 2012 #78
I'll be happy if present trends continue. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #92
Yeah, we've heard that before. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #191
It does matter, where did you get 10,000? A Simple Game Jul 2012 #57
Well, you are wrong. Simple to find. Where is your wrong link?? Logical Jul 2012 #96
100,000 SHOT iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #133
LOL, minor error. Dead / Wounded close enough. Logical Jul 2012 #135
I didn't think you could prove the 10,000 number. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #143
Jesus, WTF is wrong with you. Once again you let Brady make you look foolish..... Logical Jul 2012 #154
Well one of us looks foolish. You're talking about homicides while A Simple Game Jul 2012 #168
LOL, you like looking foolish? You said I could not prove the 10,000 number and I did..... Logical Jul 2012 #170
I shouldn't have to do this, after all it was your post. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #178
Again, the OP is not just about domestic gun violence, but DEATHS due to domestic gun violence. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #193
You missed a word. "die". Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #192
I know how many die each year. That is not my quote. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #209
It was probably a typo. But his essay is excellent. kellytore Jul 2012 #152
I assume it was a typo and glad he corrected it. n-t Logical Jul 2012 #171
This is what the morally bankrupt do. 99Forever Jul 2012 #24
+1000 thank you! Nt abelenkpe Jul 2012 #32
Exactly, he gun nuts have found their error... joeybee12 Jul 2012 #91
Sigh - there they go again. calimary Jul 2012 #222
I'm with you! Rainngirl Jul 2012 #226
Exactly. NO ONE needs an assault rifle unless they're planning a mass killing. calimary Jul 2012 #227
Inflating the statistics by an order of magnitude 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #25
and so, indigoth Jul 2012 #41
Nice try at deflection 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #45
you can substantiate "lying"? . . . you know he was "lying"? DrDan Jul 2012 #61
I've seen it enough to know 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #63
so your justified in accusing him of lying . . . gotcha DrDan Jul 2012 #66
Perfect Pizz Jul 2012 #79
"one is two" LiberalLovinLug Jul 2012 #146
The argument isn't whether typos discredit an entire argument 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #153
Yes, that is the argument demwing Jul 2012 #156
He made a statement that was factually untrue 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #158
factually untrue =/= intentionally untrue demwing Jul 2012 #161
Proof that someone is lying? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #162
"Given the nature of the topic" demwing Jul 2012 #185
If "inflating statistics" was not purposeful.... LiberalLovinLug Jul 2012 #165
These facts are tried and tested and put our problem in perspective. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #157
Well Jesus Christ, violence has gone down every year for decades! Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #194
OK. No problem. Now what do you think that our society could do to end these massacres? JDPriestly Jul 2012 #212
Just how low is the bar going to be set that I have to meet? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #223
Let's get our gun violence down to the level of other developed countries. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #224
That will never happen without restricting our firearm ownership rights to that of other countries. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #225
Excellent post, JDPriestly! calimary Jul 2012 #196
You are more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than by a firearm Travis_0004 Jul 2012 #211
i wonder... druidity33 Jul 2012 #214
it is probably at least 100,000 worldwide larkrake Jul 2012 #8
He said "100,000 Americans" Logical Jul 2012 #10
100k people in America are KILLED or WOUNDED by guns each year. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #130
I agree! Logical Jul 2012 #134
Phew, thank jebus it's only 10 thousand dead Americans per year. tridim Jul 2012 #16
You sound like Fix News being OK with wrong stats. Congrats! Logical Jul 2012 #97
So if it were 100,000 dead you would support stricter gun laws, right? girl gone mad Jul 2012 #150
I am in favor of them now. Please list ONE that would have stopped this shooting. n-t Logical Jul 2012 #151
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #47
Nice try, murders are under 10,000. Sucides make up the rest. Keep trying. Logical Jul 2012 #98
Do you have any idea how ridiculous your post sounds? Zoeisright Jul 2012 #118
Only you would think murders and suicides are the same. Do you understand how stupid that sounds? Logical Jul 2012 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #173
so you are going to blame guns for people killing themselves? n-t Logical Jul 2012 #176
Does that one mistake really make any difference to his point? drm604 Jul 2012 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #73
So sadly true. ONE is too many. calimary Jul 2012 #198
I didn't say it did. Bug misleading is still misleading! Logical Jul 2012 #99
Your bugs were mislead, but not mine. greyl Jul 2012 #124
Rife with errors. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #177
Sure and the Republicans need to check the Democrats political ads for accuracy before they are run. RC Jul 2012 #216
False dichotomy. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #218
The dichotomy is accurate. It fits all too well. RC Jul 2012 #219
Perhaps you should read the thread. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #220
no but it's sure brought out the true colors of some DUers here. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #174
Yeah, funny how some of us care about accuracy and truth. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #183
You are correct, that the statistics he cited were in error. grantcart Jul 2012 #70
We are so used to citing Wikipedia ... I like that source but look what I found rosesaylavee Jul 2012 #114
Maybe he added in South liberalmike27 Jul 2012 #74
Bradycampaign: Almost 100,000 people in America are shot each year. DCBob Jul 2012 #81
WTF, read his damn quote. "100,000 Americans die each year". unbelievable. Logical Jul 2012 #101
WTF?? I didnt say his quote was correct. Can't you read??.. unbelievable. DCBob Jul 2012 #110
Logical is being irrational Scootaloo Jul 2012 #163
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #175
Yea, 10 thousand ain't bad as long as one of those 10,000 isn't anyone I care about. Pizz Jul 2012 #82
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #87
I knew that number was incorrect xxqqqzme Jul 2012 #89
Over 100k Americans are killed OR wounded each year in America. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #132
OK, OK. xxqqqzme Jul 2012 #187
Correction rawtribe Jul 2012 #90
Good for him. And I agree the numbers still suck. Logical Jul 2012 #102
100k are killed or wounded, suicided. Does that make you happier? n/t progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #123
wow PatrynXX Jul 2012 #164
small potatoes compared to the rest of his article. Weird you focus on that pasto76 Jul 2012 #179
You sound like fox news. 10,000, 100,000, 1 million, who cares. Logical Jul 2012 #181
du rec. nt xchrom Jul 2012 #3
Wow. BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #4
DU Rec for Pompous Assery. I stopped taking it seriously at "100,000." slackmaster Jul 2012 #5
100,000 incidents of death or injury with guns per annum in the USA. greyl Jul 2012 #120
Outrage built upon a huge lie hack89 Jul 2012 #7
He corrected the figure, which was really like the difference between purple and maroon to me. greyl Jul 2012 #119
I agree with President Obama that the 2A supports an individual right. Take it up with him. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #126
The overall meaning of the points he made wasn't affected at all by the erroneous figure. greyl Jul 2012 #138
Besides the fact that his screed has no basis in actual history hack89 Jul 2012 #140
Not this part: greyl Aug 2012 #228
The same could be said about knives and baseball bats hack89 Aug 2012 #229
Anything can be said about anything, but what you suggest is very dumb. nt greyl Aug 2012 #230
I made no suggestion hack89 Aug 2012 #231
You suggested a false equivalency (popular lately.) greyl Aug 2012 #232
Just putting the real threat in perspective hack89 Aug 2012 #233
Would you like to start somewhere, or not start at all? nt greyl Aug 2012 #234
The real question is whether to start with something effective hack89 Aug 2012 #235
"outrage built upon a huge lie" LiberalLovinLug Jul 2012 #147
Not outrage - just amusement hack89 Jul 2012 #148
Yeah its a laugh riot LiberalLovinLug Jul 2012 #167
The shooting was an indescribable tragedy hack89 Jul 2012 #172
Once again... LiberalLovinLug Jul 2012 #221
Fantastic! A hearty DU rec! nt Owl Jul 2012 #11
I notice the usual suspects don't address the other things said vs ONE point. Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #12
Well, when he starts off like Fox News with 100,000 deaths a year, I question the rest. Logical Jul 2012 #14
Quantum physics does not explain nor explore what makes consciousness Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #17
The usual suspects have been addressing them in the hundreds of other threads on the subject. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #18
"this is a public twit"..Exactly correct n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #13
Hm...his figures are only off by a factor of 1,000% or so! Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #15
AFAIK, you aren't in a militia. nt greyl Jul 2012 #117
The reserve militia, as per the Reserve Militia Act of 1903: Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #128
Lol. I guess you'll just have to tolerate Jason's deadly 1st Amendment right. nt greyl Jul 2012 #136
Not a problem. I'm very tolerant. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #142
Well, considering the bullshit statistics the NRA feeds it's gun loving fans.... Walk away Jul 2012 #19
brilliant - k and r. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #21
The AR-15 is the same as any other standard semi-automatic hunting rifle Kaleva Jul 2012 #22
Just going to show that Alexander, like so many others on this subject, have virtually no knowledge Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #23
Yes, and the expired "AW" ban was a result of ignorant people writing a law slackmaster Jul 2012 #29
And some folks here were very much against expanding the SOP of the gungeon... Kaleva Jul 2012 #31
You so called "experts" scare the hell out of me. Go find somewhere to hang out besides here. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #42
No. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #44
The typo brought out the short list of gungeoneers like flies to honey. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #26
They are oiling the barrels of their guns right now Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #28
And the usual gang of rabid gun ban promoters slackmaster Jul 2012 #30
Easy way to fill my ignore list. morningfog Jul 2012 #83
and Obama said he went to 57 states booley Jul 2012 #201
I agree with Alexander and the OP. morningfog Jul 2012 #202
ok booley Jul 2012 #210
cleaarly PatrynXX Jul 2012 #166
If I could chat with Jason Alexander, I would ask him where the compromise is? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #33
Per A. Pope ananda Jul 2012 #34
10,000 a year! abelenkpe Jul 2012 #35
of the 10,000 8 per day are children/teens. Sad . . . but that also appears to be within acceptable DrDan Jul 2012 #76
No one I know or love, so it's all good. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #113
that was great Beringia Jul 2012 #36
My gun control soultion bakpakr Jul 2012 #37
Some of what you said is alread in effect Kaleva Jul 2012 #40
Ermm.. ananda Jul 2012 #43
Assault weapons and assault rifles are not the same thing Kaleva Jul 2012 #50
There is no reason for any private individual to own an assault weapon. ananda Jul 2012 #59
What defines an assault weapon in your opinion? Kaleva Jul 2012 #68
I have a reason. Clames Jul 2012 #195
YUP, no need for Corvettes either! Tejas Jul 2012 #203
An AK74M would go for a tenth of that price in a free market. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #46
It is the 1986 ban that has driven the prices up. Kaleva Jul 2012 #49
By a factor of about 1000%. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #55
I don't care what the gun nuts think Red Knight Jul 2012 #48
People under 25 should not be allowed to operate a motor vehicle. Tejas Jul 2012 #204
I've got a question for gun owners (If you are here) Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #52
Excellent question Red Knight Jul 2012 #53
I think the line was drawn correctly in 1934 with the National Firearms Act slackmaster Jul 2012 #58
That's no ban Red Knight Jul 2012 #67
How many crimes have been committed with legally owned machineguns since 1934? slackmaster Jul 2012 #69
So Large Capacity Magazines are fine to sell? Red Knight Jul 2012 #77
I don't have a dog in that fight. My state has limited capacity to 10. slackmaster Jul 2012 #80
Perhaps fortuantely the 100 round drum magazine that Holmes used on the AR-15 ... spin Jul 2012 #115
A Perfect Example Of Gun Control Working. Have A Nice Day. (nt) Paladin Jul 2012 #86
How about the 1986 ban? Kaleva Jul 2012 #72
So you think it is acceptable for a private citizen to be more armed than the police? Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #93
It's a whole lot easier for police to get weapons covered by the NFA than it is for non-police slackmaster Jul 2012 #100
My question was where do gun owners draw the line for an unacceptable Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #109
I already gave a very specific and clear answer in reply #58 slackmaster Jul 2012 #111
Oh, I see it now Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #122
I don't have an issue with restrictions on high capacity magazines Kaleva Jul 2012 #65
I'll ask you the same question I asked a friend Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #94
You are asking for the ban on any semi-auto rifle that has a detachable magazine. Kaleva Jul 2012 #104
Why not place a ban on both ARs and high capacity mags? Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #125
An AR-15 with a 5 round mag is functionally no different then any other semi-auto with a 5 rnd mag. Kaleva Jul 2012 #139
I see your point Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #141
That's about the only way you could do it. Kaleva Jul 2012 #144
I personally see little use for a 100-round drum magazine ... spin Jul 2012 #106
GO JASON!!!!!!!!! I am a fan renewed! Proud to be rec #68! DrDan Jul 2012 #54
People with a fetish for guns disturb me. alarimer Jul 2012 #56
I'm sitting on the fence on this one... -..__... Jul 2012 #60
LOL ananda Jul 2012 #64
Well said, Mr. Alexander Spazito Jul 2012 #62
If he wants to understand why I do JonLP24 Jul 2012 #71
The AR-15 looks like it has been dipped in testosterone compared to a normal semi-auto and RC Jul 2012 #217
When I grew up ..... I learned to make Zip Guns Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #84
Gun Nuts are brainwashed Paranoid Fanatics fascisthunter Jul 2012 #85
k&r The Midway Rebel Jul 2012 #88
Good job, Jason. Wish there were more like you. Arugula Latte Jul 2012 #95
Excellent. k&r Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #103
I support Jason DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #105
EXCELLENT. Glad he is speaking out... YvonneCa Jul 2012 #107
It's a mad mad mad mad world ... piperpibroch Jul 2012 #108
handguns are worse than assault rifles thelordofhell Jul 2012 #112
100,000 injured or killed by firearms. Kalidurga Jul 2012 #116
it always seemed to me that they were talking about the National Guard or something like that. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #121
100,000 are SHOT every year iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #129
I didn't know he was political. Thanks for this thread. freshwest Jul 2012 #131
Typo aside, that was very well mzmolly Jul 2012 #145
Jason has stated my sentiments taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #149
Same here... YvonneCa Jul 2012 #184
We need Klaatu and GORT LiberalLovinLug Jul 2012 #155
Perfect. He said it all just perfectly. m/t FourScore Jul 2012 #159
So he got the 100,000 dead wrong. amb123 Jul 2012 #160
He got a HELL of a lot more than that wrong. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #182
We would have been luckier if he had used tomatoes. MontecaR Jul 2012 #188
Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #189
300,000 were electrocuted by toasters Tejas Jul 2012 #207
my suffering neighbors in Colorado locks Jul 2012 #169
This is full of the most ignorant shit ever. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #180
My own counter to Jason's arguments can be found here derby378 Jul 2012 #186
It hits all the usual incorrect anti-gun talking points. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #190
Explain why you think you have the right to a bazooka or an RPG n/t eridani Jul 2012 #197
I have already explained that I do not think that. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #199
So, AR 15s, but no M-16s? n/t eridani Jul 2012 #200
M-16s are legal to own. Kaleva Jul 2012 #205
I'm OK with that. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #206
videos like that make me glad that I have a cc permit squicked Jul 2012 #213
Makes a lot of sense to me. Hoyt Jul 2012 #208
"Regular" hunting rifles were military weapons 70 years ago krispos42 Jul 2012 #215
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