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mattclearing

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10. I responded to this on Facebook a few weeks ago thusly:

Reply to Bertha Venation (Original post)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:03 AM

Jul 2012

Why not just drug test everyone? If a kid tests positive for drugs, they can forfeit their public education. A public employee can lose their job. A contractor with positive testing workers can lose their contracts. Why not deny drug users their Social Security benefits? Revoke the registration on vehicles of positive testing individuals? Automatic tax audits for people who test positive?

And what happens when casual drug users are driven from society and unable to make an honest living or qualify for assistance? They can inevitably go to jail for approximately the same cost, only with no hope of ever contributing to society or the economy.

My point is that if an intrusive overbearing government is wrong for anyone, it's wrong for everyone. It's all well and good to expect fair treatment for working people, but these kinds of laws are discriminatory and counter-productive.

One way or another, society is going to pay the costs of people at its margins; the question is whether it's going to be humane, efficient, and peaceful.

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Drug testing for people on welfare? [View all] Bertha Venation Jul 2012 OP

My thought Blecht Jul 2012 #1

i've seen this too and didn't quite know how to reply. ejpoeta Jul 2012 #2

I have a pithy picture to post in reply. I hope you can see it ok. GreenPartyVoter Jul 2012 #3

Thank you! I shared it on FB! I hope she sees it. She is a fundy. Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #9

I'm surviving. :^) How are you? *hugs* GreenPartyVoter Jul 2012 #13

I'm shrinking. Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #14

Awesome! Keep up the good work. :^D GreenPartyVoter Jul 2012 #26

Thanks PatSeg Jul 2012 #44

The hypocrisy is unreal, isn't it? GreenPartyVoter Jul 2012 #49

Yes it is PatSeg Jul 2012 #55

I've been in the same boat, and I would have definitely found it deameaning! GreenPartyVoter Jul 2012 #57

What would that do about people who are on legal Rxs Mimosa Jul 2012 #4

Thank you Florida, Kentucky & Missouri for wasting your taxpayers' money... rucky Jul 2012 #5

Tell them that is costs too much. PotatoChip Jul 2012 #40

Required Medical exams, sounds like a Mandate. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #6

that worked out so well for Florida.. Viva_La_Revolution Jul 2012 #7

I would never leave my children unattended with this crackpot NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #8

I responded to this on Facebook a few weeks ago thusly: mattclearing Jul 2012 #10

^ Fantastic rebuttal!!! ^ Mimosa Jul 2012 #11

Thanks! I do my best. :) n/t mattclearing Jul 2012 #23

Matt, may I plagiarize, please? Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #15

Be my guest. mattclearing Jul 2012 #22

Jail costs more than aid, actually JHB Jul 2012 #42

Of course it does. mattclearing Jul 2012 #47

Kick 'em when they're up. Kick 'em when they're down. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #12

Ask the self-righteous dickhead... 99Forever Jul 2012 #16

The next post will be about their "Freedoms" FreakinDJ Jul 2012 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Jul 2012 #38

Fuck that. How about drug testing for Wall St. criminals? HopeHoops Jul 2012 #17

Sure, why not? Turbineguy Jul 2012 #18

tested at their job for safety? 2pooped2pop Jul 2012 #24

Plenty of jobs that require a drug test have nothing to do with hazardous conditions.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #25

... and the fact that we allow private employers to do this ... surrealAmerican Jul 2012 #29

when smoking a joint abolugi Jul 2012 #32

Drug Testing for Gun Purchases. Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #19

drug testing only finds Marijuana users 2pooped2pop Jul 2012 #20

THANK YOU! shanti Jul 2012 #54

There are several approaches. Gore1FL Jul 2012 #27

I always tell them that members of Congress should be drug tested also. I've never had Booster Jul 2012 #28

It costs more than it saves Nevernose Jul 2012 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #31

We are living in a culture that deeply believes in guilt until innocence proven. Trillo Jul 2012 #33

I'm sure the alcohol industry supports this effort full heartedly /nt think Jul 2012 #34

New York Times: No Savings Are Found From Welfare Drug Tests Lex Jul 2012 #35

A waste of taxpayer dollars. Cronkite Jul 2012 #36

Why don't the lawmakers make the same rule for themselves? ananda Jul 2012 #37

Follow the money... Who is profiting from the drug tests? justice1 Jul 2012 #39

See #45 below JHB Jul 2012 #46

And they accuse the Democrats of "Nanny Society"? Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #41

They can't cure AIDS warrprayer Jul 2012 #43

Who does she think is doing the testing? To whit: JHB Jul 2012 #45

Peeing for profit. woo me with science Jul 2012 #48

It's unconstitutional. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #50

It's just an opportunity for someone to make money at the testing company. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #51

This also assumes that drug tests are infallible. Actually, there is a 5 to 10% false positive Arkansas Granny Jul 2012 #52

A lot of the people on welfare are kids gollygee Jul 2012 #53

It's not Unconstitutional Oasis_ Jul 2012 #56