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thesquanderer

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17. Yeah, he likely would have.

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:23 PM

Dec 2017

Hillary came awfully close.

I can't imagine there are too many Hillary voters who would have picked Trump if it were Trump vs. Biden. So, assume that Biden gets virtually every Hillary vote.

Now add...

...Biden didn't have Hillary's level of unfavorables outside the Dem base (i.e. such a large chunk of voters who simply hated the idea of voting for her, due to decades of attacks on her from the right)

...Biden has greater working class appeal, a place where Trump really challenged Hillary (and certainly would have helped in WI, MI, PA)

...Biden wouldn't have had to deal with the misogyny factor

...Biden wouldn't have had the last minute Comey surprise

Any one of those could have made the difference. All four? Yeah, I'd say Biden would have won.

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And *THIS* is why Joe Biden should have run for President in 2016.... [View all] scheming daemons Dec 2017 OP

Touching. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #1

I agree, nt jalan48 Dec 2017 #2

A great AND good man. He would have been an amazing president. Glorfindel Dec 2017 #3

Innate goodness was a big part of why he did not. Hortensis Dec 2017 #4

And his support of depredation by credit card companies. I admire Biden in many ways, tblue37 Dec 2017 #55

Yes. It may well be that with age and bitter experience he's Hortensis Dec 2017 #59

No, that ISN'T the reason to vote for someone. Yes, Joe Biden has compassion, but he also has made still_one Dec 2017 #5

heart is the first qualification for any office, imho. mopinko Dec 2017 #6

If Biden had run, he would have been POTUS right now... ADX Dec 2017 #7

No, he wouldn't have lunamagica Dec 2017 #8

You're entitled to your opinion... ADX Dec 2017 #12

Yeah, he likely would have. thesquanderer Dec 2017 #17

He would not have gotten the support from black women that Hillary did lunamagica Dec 2017 #30

It wouldn't even have been a contest. Biden by 10 points. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #11

I am not trashing Hillary but I agree with this statement! denvine Dec 2017 #22

He would have been subject to the Russian influence and delisen Dec 2017 #34

Sanders or Biden would have beaten the Liar in Chief LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #36

He lost 2 primaries. Why wouldn't Bernie have gone after him for the same things he went after seaglass Dec 2017 #50

Biden is a better politician than Clinton. nsd Dec 2017 #56

He lost to Hillary Clinton. Your opinion doesn't outweight facts. n/t seaglass Dec 2017 #58

Hindsight is better than foresight. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #9

Hillary has a HUGE heart also. Then again, I gues trump is POTUS because of lunamagica Dec 2017 #10

Hillary also had baggage she couldn't overcome.... more baggage than Biden scheming daemons Dec 2017 #14

I agree about the msogyny...but the baggage? Everyone has baggage, but anyway, baggage lunamagica Dec 2017 #25

You're right about that. Whoever our next nominee is will be subjected to that nonsense.... scheming daemons Dec 2017 #35

Biden has his Anita Hill baggage. And that affects him with millions of Democrats, pnwmom Dec 2017 #38

She overcame her baggage. We didn't. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #42

+1 .... This (n/t) SFnomad Dec 2017 #65

I will get crucified for saying this Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author lunamagica Dec 2017 #26

Thank you. Thats my America. BadgerMom Dec 2017 #15

He looks and sounds good. Dont discount Joe for 2020 Pepsidog Dec 2017 #16

*sigh* I love Uncle Joe, but... Lisa0825 Dec 2017 #18

You're saying there's NOT innate goodness in most of the Dem candidates? LisaM Dec 2017 #19

The problem is that it wasn't played up in the press bigbrother05 Dec 2017 #23

It's maddening. LisaM Dec 2017 #24

Thanks for sharing your story about meeting Hillary! I know of many stories lunamagica Dec 2017 #27

It was really amazing. LisaM Dec 2017 #33

I think it would be great if you started a thread about your meeting with lunamagica Dec 2017 #37

Sure. LisaM Dec 2017 #40

I'll reply! lunamagica Dec 2017 #46

Thanks! LisaM Dec 2017 #47

He would be crucified for his treatment of Anita Hill Orrex Dec 2017 #20

I agree. And the tapes of his questioning of her still exist and would be put to use. nt pnwmom Dec 2017 #39

Ok but how did that compare with the pussy-grabber? treestar Dec 2017 #44

No one's saying he's remotely like the pussy-grabber. In my opinion, Joe Biden's pnwmom Dec 2017 #45

Trump is a uniquely toxic monster Orrex Dec 2017 #57

Biden treated Hill no less kindly than Meghan McCain. The media narrative is a myth. ucrdem Dec 2017 #60

I heard parts of the tapes last week, on NPR's Fresh Air Orrex Dec 2017 #64

Lord. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #21

This is very nice, murielm99 Dec 2017 #28

Joe Biden is the real deal. He doesn't need a focus group to tell him what to believe in. democrank Dec 2017 #29

I love Joe. SCVDem Dec 2017 #31

Thats why I love him... Docreed2003 Dec 2017 #32

Not to take anything away from Joe triron Dec 2017 #41

I might take some heat for this, but... Joe941 Dec 2017 #43

He has a huge heart. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #48

I will never, ever vote for him in a primary because of Anita Hill obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #49

Biden was so very sweet to Meghan McCain Gothmog Dec 2017 #51

I saw that today, it was very good and inspiring. Hoyt Dec 2017 #52

Obama liked Biden a lot-his support would have helped Biden in the election. jalan48 Dec 2017 #53

I won't debase this thread by using his name in this thread . . . Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #54

Joe's a great guy, but I doubt he'd want you doing this. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #61

He was grieving his son. susanna Dec 2017 #62

There is innate Goodness in Hillary also. but i agree Biden would have won but it would be because JI7 Dec 2017 #63