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Madam Mossfern

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29. Demit, I agree with you

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 02:48 PM

Dec 2017

Not that a plunging neckline is an invitation, but that it's inappropriate. If anyone, male or female wants to be taken seriously then they should dress in a non sexualized manner. I just don't know what the standard is for the appropriate depth of a neckline is.

I also wish there were dress codes in high schools - especially during the warm months.

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Democratic lawmaker: Women's clothing an 'invitation to harassment' [View all] octoberlib Dec 2017 OP

Imma sit back and see what happens gratuitous Dec 2017 #1

She must be in her 60's or 70's then? Somebody needs to sit her down octoberlib Dec 2017 #4

Tell her that women in uniform are raped. Clothing is no protection Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #7

THIS. octoberlib Dec 2017 #15

It's unbelievable this has to be said... but, glad you did. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #54

nt bdamomma Dec 2017 #90

she's 71 NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #19

At 71 she lived through the 60s--which saw the delisen Dec 2017 #39

I think people should be professional at work, but clothing is not an excuse Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #59

Right. As if the military has no sexual assault/harassment problems (not). brush Dec 2017 #32

oh for fucks sake. Can somebody send her a clue stick? Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #2

Yes shenmue Dec 2017 #6

NOT helping, Rep. Kaptur. bullwinkle428 Dec 2017 #3

I'm glad she said it. When the dress code was relaxed so women who wanted to wear sleeveless Demit Dec 2017 #5

What's the point of showing your neck at the office? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #9

Don't be disingenuous. You know that breasts are a sexual feature that hair or necks aren't. Demit Dec 2017 #18

No. It's an inference you make rather than an statement someone else makes. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #21

Deep cut necklines are meant to be sexy. That's the point of them. Demit Dec 2017 #25

That doesnt make it an invitation for harassment ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #30

THIS! get the red out Dec 2017 #58

I have a feeling that a 71yr-old's definition of a "plunging neckline" Tarc Dec 2017 #22

Why don't you show me a sane person's idea of a plunging neckline suitable for the office. Demit Dec 2017 #27

actually googled "plunging neckline suitable for office" and got this octoberlib Dec 2017 #38

She said "harassment," not assault. Harassment in the workplace encompasses Demit Dec 2017 #64

The model doesn't have a lot of cleavage, neither do I so I guess we can wear that but.. bettyellen Dec 2017 #76

I imagine she's pretty small breasted, she's a model after all. Demit Dec 2017 #78

Actually wrap dresses can be very flattering and appropriate for work. bettyellen Dec 2017 #81

Wardrobe malfunction asking to happen treestar Dec 2017 #96

I agree with you Demit. Polly Hennessey Dec 2017 #55

Thank you Dimit and Polly for your common sense post. I would jump in but I have had too many alerts JimBeard Dec 2017 #82

She's mixing up two different things zipplewrath Dec 2017 #10

You don't consider a man staring at your chest sexual harassment? Demit Dec 2017 #20

A woman could put a flashing neon sign on her breasts mythology Dec 2017 #28

Lol, you're acknowledging that most straight guys are infatuated with breasts. Demit Dec 2017 #44

Demit, I agree with you Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #29

As do I. It's not that I think it's an invitation. I believe if a woman dresses in a very sexualized OregonBlue Dec 2017 #49

There are dress codes in high schools now crazycatlady Dec 2017 #85

Honestly Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #86

Is this seductive? crazycatlady Dec 2017 #94

OK...but that's on the man for being a creep, not on the woman for how she's dressed. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #45

That doesn't make it an invitation zipplewrath Dec 2017 #56

Seeing women's cleavage does not make me want to treat women poorly. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2017 #13

+1 leftstreet Dec 2017 #23

Thank you ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #34

Same. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #47

What was F. Scott Fitzgerald like? LexVegas Dec 2017 #24

You actually posted that? Ken Burch Dec 2017 #43

Yes, I actually did. Demit Dec 2017 #50

There's a difference between "being sexy", and "agreeing to be creeped on". Ken Burch Dec 2017 #52

Why would one want to Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #66

It may be a subjective thing Ken Burch Dec 2017 #75

There's a thing called Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #84

And there's a thing called "Men NOT being creeps". Ken Burch Dec 2017 #95

Women come pre-assembled with breasts, so cleavage is pretty much a built in feature. nt procon Dec 2017 #57

You have the right not to show bare arms or cleavage or knees or anything lunatica Dec 2017 #67

Burka. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #80

So who called her out? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #8

"two Democratic sources in the room" octoberlib Dec 2017 #11

All they did was tattle. I'm curious if anyone talked to her at the time. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #16

Uh Solly Mack Dec 2017 #12

"Maybe I'll get booed" NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #14

For the record, I have never shown my cleavage at the office. Orrex Dec 2017 #17

Bullshit Bettie Dec 2017 #26

Do you want men to be distracted? Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #31

If the men are distracted, then that's the men's problem Orrex Dec 2017 #36

It's biology. Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #37

It's also professionalism Orrex Dec 2017 #42

Women who want to be respected as professional Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #48

Agree northoftheborder Dec 2017 #51

Generally speaking, I don't make it my business to tell women how to dress. Orrex Dec 2017 #62

I think we're talking about cleavage here - Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #65

Clarification, please Orrex Dec 2017 #74

I don't think that one can compare Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #87

Both are elements of sexuality, one of which you reject Orrex Dec 2017 #91

I agree too bdamomma Dec 2017 #92

Boys will be boys? crazycatlady Dec 2017 #73

That's a bit unfair Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #88

Define seductive crazycatlady Dec 2017 #93

Should the male dress code be relaxed? delisen Dec 2017 #33

Still think we were better off with her than with Dennis? Ken Burch Dec 2017 #35

She is one of the best we have. IMO nt Snotcicles Dec 2017 #63

I don't understand why women expose a lot of cleavage during the day TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #40

Wider variance of "professional" women's clothing ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #41

I've worked in several large corporations NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #53

We have a wide variation zipplewrath Dec 2017 #61

We had a young new hire walking around barefoot Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #70

Can you imagine if men showed "cleavage"? ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #79

It isn't clear zipplewrath Dec 2017 #83

It's a work place and everyone should dress appropriately. AJT Dec 2017 #46

On a lighter note, MontanaMama Dec 2017 #60

Kaptur has a credibility issue with me already MichMan Dec 2017 #68

Could be wrong gibraltar72 Dec 2017 #69

I suggest she looks up the Duggar family crazycatlady Dec 2017 #71

As a woman vet, I can tell you without a doubt...BDU's never stopped sexual harassment! n/t cynatnite Dec 2017 #72

This discussion is the crux of the problem. erinlough Dec 2017 #77

Even if women worn bdamomma Dec 2017 #89

Perhaps the solution to this clothing problem is for more women to go naked struggle4progress Dec 2017 #97