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louis c

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66. Maybe you're right.

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 08:48 PM

Dec 2017

Maybe we should frame this debate, and believe me there is one, in a way that can lose us votes in the middle. Rather than choice, we'll just tell voters it's none of their business, when it's a an important issue to them. Why frame the issue in a convincing, pro-choice, nurturing, woman's right issue and try to confront the voter that we're the "pro-Abortion" party.

My problem isn't this issue. I personally couldn't give a good fuck, one way or another. But, I try to win elections and our candidates are pro-choice and I try to frame the argument as such.

But, perhaps you're right. Maybe we should do it your way. Maybe we should be the party of abortions instead of choice. Winning elections is secondary. Remember how good it felt on Nov. 8, 2016. Let's see if we can't keep duplicating that.

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Let's get something straight, nobody favors abortion [View all] louis c Dec 2017 OP

I favor abortion. qwlauren35 Dec 2017 #1

I don't think you favor abourtion louis c Dec 2017 #4

Yes, if you're under 13. qwlauren35 Dec 2017 #11

+1 dembotoz Dec 2017 #15

That usually is remanded to a judge to act in her best interests. louis c Dec 2017 #16

Who said "mandatory"? You assumed it. nt The_jackalope Dec 2017 #56

that's how's it's framed from the other side louis c Dec 2017 #78

I believe in abortion also tazkcmo Dec 2017 #32

Maybe the other A word... Matt_R Dec 2017 #92

Thank you. Me too. RandomAccess Dec 2017 #42

Actually... qwlauren35 Dec 2017 #44

My ex-sister in law was very casual about having abortions TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #53

My first wife was much the same. The_jackalope Dec 2017 #58

I don't think breast beating is necessary TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #60

So do I. but I view it as an ecological act. The_jackalope Dec 2017 #57

Yikes. David__77 Dec 2017 #88

Hell yeah! Corvo Bianco Dec 2017 #126

Abortion is a wedge issue used by pandering chumps to pander to chumps Orrex Dec 2017 #2

Yup. Agschmid Dec 2017 #10

This! +1 infidel621 Dec 2017 #18

The morning after pill isn't an abortion Mariana Dec 2017 #26

I absolutely and unequivocally agree with you 100% Orrex Dec 2017 #33

Because they've been lied to. Mariana Dec 2017 #37

All true (nt) Orrex Dec 2017 #50

Abortion is also important to the woman for whom pregnancy is a real threat. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #3

a life changing experience...have your wifes ob introduces you to her brand new oncologist dembotoz Dec 2017 #20

None of the antiabortion fanatics think or perhaps even know about the Sophia4 Dec 2017 #90

I have been told by them pregnant women are protected by god dembotoz Dec 2017 #100

Any pregnancy can become a real threat. Mariana Dec 2017 #39

I favor abortions. uppityperson Dec 2017 #5

Not at the same time, I hope Orrex Dec 2017 #9

And REALLY unpleasant ! RandomAccess Dec 2017 #43

What if it saves your life? I would favor that. LexVegas Dec 2017 #6

That would be your choice louis c Dec 2017 #12

well, with all due respect, and I am honestly not trying to pick a fight OriginalGeek Dec 2017 #47

do you think abortion should be mandatory? louis c Dec 2017 #80

Being pro-milk doesn't mean mandatory milk OriginalGeek Dec 2017 #85

why do we Democrats always tout reduced abortions in our Dems' President term? louis c Dec 2017 #97

First there's a difference OriginalGeek Dec 2017 #133

Sane solution jayschool2013 Dec 2017 #7

Your first and second point are very important. hunter Dec 2017 #63

Abortion is health care. I favor it. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2017 #8

You favor choice. Certainly... louis c Dec 2017 #13

I'm an advocate for safe, legal abortion. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2017 #21

Actually it's both. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #22

Why don't you just stop telling people they don't mean what they say? Mariana Dec 2017 #31

How about you stick to your opinions, and I'll stick to mine louis c Dec 2017 #35

The way you win the framing issue RandomAccess Dec 2017 #45

that's why it's framed as choice, not abortion. louis c Dec 2017 #81

Quit agreeing with the right that abortion is bad ! RandomAccess Dec 2017 #86

I'm sorry. I have a different opinion louis c Dec 2017 #95

You are welcome to your "different opinion" but your op imposed it on all of us. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #106

No reason you can't do both RandomAccess Dec 2017 #134

you think "choice" is the Right Wing's description? louis c Dec 2017 #82

Stick to your opinions. then. Mariana Dec 2017 #54

you missed the whole point of this discussion louis c Dec 2017 #84

What you may say to potential voters in the interest of dipomacy Mariana Dec 2017 #87

Yes, teacher. Please don't lecture me louis c Dec 2017 #94

Why treat people here worse than you would a stranger whose door you knock on? MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #108

Let's be honest here, Mrs. Coffee. Mariana Dec 2017 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #130

So true. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #132

+1 demmiblue Dec 2017 #74

Having gone to high school with numerous young women who became unexpectedly pregnant -- Justice Dec 2017 #14

Of course, unwanted pregnency should be prevented through contrecption louis c Dec 2017 #17

Here's the situation. From what I hear, most anti-choice proponents are also anti-birth control. haele Dec 2017 #122

I do not favor abortion left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #19

And there is no such thing as "an abortionist". Ken Burch Dec 2017 #23

It's always been Choice peggysue2 Dec 2017 #24

i favor abortion. mopinko Dec 2017 #25

i'm pro abortion rights. barbtries Dec 2017 #27

Since you're a man ... GeorgeGist Dec 2017 #28

Only politically louis c Dec 2017 #36

I think how I feel about abortion is between me and my physician. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #29

Until I have to confront the issue while I canvass voters louis c Dec 2017 #69

I would not say it is none of their business, but a personal decision between Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #70

+1,000 DiverDave Dec 2017 #98

I do. It's an excellent solution for not being pregnant anymore. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #30

I don't favor abortion. But I do think every woman should be free to make her own decision. Blue_true Dec 2017 #34

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #38

That's a false choice louis c Dec 2017 #40

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #41

Please don't use the term "abortion on demand" RandomAccess Dec 2017 #46

A group supported abortion on demand and without apology. David__77 Dec 2017 #89

What do you mean by "abortion on demand"? cynatnite Dec 2017 #49

I wouldn't. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2017 #51

Seriously this is a false choice & as analogy, it doesn't work. irisblue Dec 2017 #83

The problem is making abortion either for or against... cynatnite Dec 2017 #48

As a man I dont know how I could have an opinion other than people have a right Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #52

Bingo. Thank you. nt The_jackalope Dec 2017 #59

that's the defination of choice louis c Dec 2017 #67

I sure do-- It's a REAL goddamned shame that Mary Anne MacLeod Trump, BigDemVoter Dec 2017 #55

By the same token, I never believe anyone who calls themself "pro-life." DFW Dec 2017 #61

I favor abortion Heddi Dec 2017 #62

Maybe you're right. louis c Dec 2017 #66

Whatever dumbcat Dec 2017 #71

To be pro-abortion appears to mean that you believe everyone should have an abortion louis c Dec 2017 #77

The best way to win elections, is to focus on issues that really matter to people. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2017 #101

I do that. But, occacionally, Choice or Aborrtion is the issue I am greeted with at a voter's door louis c Dec 2017 #116

I'm also very much in favor of kidney transplants. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #107

You appear to take things wrongly dumbcat Dec 2017 #109

It was really a reference to all candidates louis c Dec 2017 #117

Words have meanings .... dumbcat Dec 2017 #119

I don't care how you think louis c Dec 2017 #120

I am done dumbcat Dec 2017 #123

Bye louis c Dec 2017 #124

Being pro-LGBT doesn't mean you believe everyone should be gay. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #131

I know I'm right. You clearly read nothing I wrote Heddi Dec 2017 #112

Why Can't Women Make Their Own Healthcare Decisions Without the Control of Men or Politicians? dlk Dec 2017 #64

*** AMERICA'S INFANT MORTALITY RATE !!! *** None of them REALLY care about the "unborn" seeing they uponit7771 Dec 2017 #65

I know this has been an unpopular view here, I believe in safe, legal and rare. mentalsolstice Dec 2017 #68

I favor privacy. hamsterjill Dec 2017 #72

"liberals" who use right wing framing when discussing abortion are NOT helpful. m-lekktor Dec 2017 #73

I favor the complete continuum of women's medical health care, including abortion Hekate Dec 2017 #75

I favor pregnancy prevention. Xolodno Dec 2017 #76

The opposite of choice is anti-choice or "forced birth" elfin Dec 2017 #79

This issue has been pushed by Jspur Dec 2017 #91

+1 Matt_R Dec 2017 #93

Are you a guy? DiverDave Dec 2017 #96

i accept other peoples will, but do not always approve. pwb Dec 2017 #99

I favor abortion shanny Dec 2017 #102

This OP is the definition of "mansplaining". LexVegas Dec 2017 #103

It is perfectly J_William_Ryan Dec 2017 #104

Oh bullshit. I favor abortion. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #105

Speak for yourself. I favor it. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #110

We can say most of them favor mass shootings Qutzupalotl Dec 2017 #111

Abortion should be a last resort. But there has to BE a last resort. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #113

I favor abortion. lapislzi Dec 2017 #114

Oh, yeah? Then why is our newest senator named Abortion Jones? Orsino Dec 2017 #115

I think every woman should be competent to decide what is best for herself. Vinca Dec 2017 #118

I'm in favor of abortion the same way I'm in favor of appendectomies. kcr Dec 2017 #121

So don't play into it louis c Dec 2017 #125

What the hell? kcr Dec 2017 #136

Don't blame me louis c Dec 2017 #139

You're the one playing into their game. kcr Dec 2017 #140

Ya, sure. Whatever louis c Dec 2017 #141

Why do we always have to meet them on their terms? Lordquinton Dec 2017 #128

I would rec this if I could kcr Dec 2017 #137

I'm absolutely FAVOR abortion! Texasgal Dec 2017 #129

Do you favor heart surgery if a person doesn't need one or want one? louis c Dec 2017 #135

I'm pro-abortion tammywammy Dec 2017 #138