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134. No reason you can't do both

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 11:27 PM

Dec 2017

If you're out actively trying to win votes, sure, Choice is the right way to go.

But I think -- not sure in your case, but I think that if you reread your very first sentence in your OP carefully and thoughtfully, weighing the various ramifications, I think you'd come to see the underlying premise of your Choice framing is AGREEING with the right that abortion is a very bad thing. What's WRONG with "favoring abortions"? It can only be a BAD thing to "favor abortions" if abortions are in and of themselves WRONG, BAD, SHAMEFUL / whatever negative you want to apply.

See what I mean?

No reason you can't continue to use the Choice framing.

But I believe it's bad strategy to retreat to Choice instead of full-throatedly (in select venues, if you will) uplifting abortion as a woman's Constitutionally guaranteed right, and mere medical procedure that's nothing to be ashamed of in any way but celebrated for the empowering event that it is -- giving and validating the individual woman's sovereignty over her own body, her own fertility, her own life.

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Let's get something straight, nobody favors abortion [View all] louis c Dec 2017 OP

I favor abortion. qwlauren35 Dec 2017 #1

I don't think you favor abourtion louis c Dec 2017 #4

Yes, if you're under 13. qwlauren35 Dec 2017 #11

+1 dembotoz Dec 2017 #15

That usually is remanded to a judge to act in her best interests. louis c Dec 2017 #16

Who said "mandatory"? You assumed it. nt The_jackalope Dec 2017 #56

that's how's it's framed from the other side louis c Dec 2017 #78

I believe in abortion also tazkcmo Dec 2017 #32

Maybe the other A word... Matt_R Dec 2017 #92

Thank you. Me too. RandomAccess Dec 2017 #42

Actually... qwlauren35 Dec 2017 #44

My ex-sister in law was very casual about having abortions TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #53

My first wife was much the same. The_jackalope Dec 2017 #58

I don't think breast beating is necessary TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #60

So do I. but I view it as an ecological act. The_jackalope Dec 2017 #57

Yikes. David__77 Dec 2017 #88

Hell yeah! Corvo Bianco Dec 2017 #126

Abortion is a wedge issue used by pandering chumps to pander to chumps Orrex Dec 2017 #2

Yup. Agschmid Dec 2017 #10

This! +1 infidel621 Dec 2017 #18

The morning after pill isn't an abortion Mariana Dec 2017 #26

I absolutely and unequivocally agree with you 100% Orrex Dec 2017 #33

Because they've been lied to. Mariana Dec 2017 #37

All true (nt) Orrex Dec 2017 #50

Abortion is also important to the woman for whom pregnancy is a real threat. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #3

a life changing experience...have your wifes ob introduces you to her brand new oncologist dembotoz Dec 2017 #20

None of the antiabortion fanatics think or perhaps even know about the Sophia4 Dec 2017 #90

I have been told by them pregnant women are protected by god dembotoz Dec 2017 #100

Any pregnancy can become a real threat. Mariana Dec 2017 #39

I favor abortions. uppityperson Dec 2017 #5

Not at the same time, I hope Orrex Dec 2017 #9

And REALLY unpleasant ! RandomAccess Dec 2017 #43

What if it saves your life? I would favor that. LexVegas Dec 2017 #6

That would be your choice louis c Dec 2017 #12

well, with all due respect, and I am honestly not trying to pick a fight OriginalGeek Dec 2017 #47

do you think abortion should be mandatory? louis c Dec 2017 #80

Being pro-milk doesn't mean mandatory milk OriginalGeek Dec 2017 #85

why do we Democrats always tout reduced abortions in our Dems' President term? louis c Dec 2017 #97

First there's a difference OriginalGeek Dec 2017 #133

Sane solution jayschool2013 Dec 2017 #7

Your first and second point are very important. hunter Dec 2017 #63

Abortion is health care. I favor it. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2017 #8

You favor choice. Certainly... louis c Dec 2017 #13

I'm an advocate for safe, legal abortion. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2017 #21

Actually it's both. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #22

Why don't you just stop telling people they don't mean what they say? Mariana Dec 2017 #31

How about you stick to your opinions, and I'll stick to mine louis c Dec 2017 #35

The way you win the framing issue RandomAccess Dec 2017 #45

that's why it's framed as choice, not abortion. louis c Dec 2017 #81

Quit agreeing with the right that abortion is bad ! RandomAccess Dec 2017 #86

I'm sorry. I have a different opinion louis c Dec 2017 #95

You are welcome to your "different opinion" but your op imposed it on all of us. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #106

No reason you can't do both RandomAccess Dec 2017 #134

you think "choice" is the Right Wing's description? louis c Dec 2017 #82

Stick to your opinions. then. Mariana Dec 2017 #54

you missed the whole point of this discussion louis c Dec 2017 #84

What you may say to potential voters in the interest of dipomacy Mariana Dec 2017 #87

Yes, teacher. Please don't lecture me louis c Dec 2017 #94

Why treat people here worse than you would a stranger whose door you knock on? MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #108

Let's be honest here, Mrs. Coffee. Mariana Dec 2017 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #130

So true. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #132

+1 demmiblue Dec 2017 #74

Having gone to high school with numerous young women who became unexpectedly pregnant -- Justice Dec 2017 #14

Of course, unwanted pregnency should be prevented through contrecption louis c Dec 2017 #17

Here's the situation. From what I hear, most anti-choice proponents are also anti-birth control. haele Dec 2017 #122

I do not favor abortion left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #19

And there is no such thing as "an abortionist". Ken Burch Dec 2017 #23

It's always been Choice peggysue2 Dec 2017 #24

i favor abortion. mopinko Dec 2017 #25

i'm pro abortion rights. barbtries Dec 2017 #27

Since you're a man ... GeorgeGist Dec 2017 #28

Only politically louis c Dec 2017 #36

I think how I feel about abortion is between me and my physician. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #29

Until I have to confront the issue while I canvass voters louis c Dec 2017 #69

I would not say it is none of their business, but a personal decision between Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #70

+1,000 DiverDave Dec 2017 #98

I do. It's an excellent solution for not being pregnant anymore. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #30

I don't favor abortion. But I do think every woman should be free to make her own decision. Blue_true Dec 2017 #34

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That's a false choice louis c Dec 2017 #40

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #41

Please don't use the term "abortion on demand" RandomAccess Dec 2017 #46

A group supported abortion on demand and without apology. David__77 Dec 2017 #89

What do you mean by "abortion on demand"? cynatnite Dec 2017 #49

I wouldn't. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2017 #51

Seriously this is a false choice & as analogy, it doesn't work. irisblue Dec 2017 #83

The problem is making abortion either for or against... cynatnite Dec 2017 #48

As a man I dont know how I could have an opinion other than people have a right Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #52

Bingo. Thank you. nt The_jackalope Dec 2017 #59

that's the defination of choice louis c Dec 2017 #67

I sure do-- It's a REAL goddamned shame that Mary Anne MacLeod Trump, BigDemVoter Dec 2017 #55

By the same token, I never believe anyone who calls themself "pro-life." DFW Dec 2017 #61

I favor abortion Heddi Dec 2017 #62

Maybe you're right. louis c Dec 2017 #66

Whatever dumbcat Dec 2017 #71

To be pro-abortion appears to mean that you believe everyone should have an abortion louis c Dec 2017 #77

The best way to win elections, is to focus on issues that really matter to people. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2017 #101

I do that. But, occacionally, Choice or Aborrtion is the issue I am greeted with at a voter's door louis c Dec 2017 #116

I'm also very much in favor of kidney transplants. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #107

You appear to take things wrongly dumbcat Dec 2017 #109

It was really a reference to all candidates louis c Dec 2017 #117

Words have meanings .... dumbcat Dec 2017 #119

I don't care how you think louis c Dec 2017 #120

I am done dumbcat Dec 2017 #123

Bye louis c Dec 2017 #124

Being pro-LGBT doesn't mean you believe everyone should be gay. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #131

I know I'm right. You clearly read nothing I wrote Heddi Dec 2017 #112

Why Can't Women Make Their Own Healthcare Decisions Without the Control of Men or Politicians? dlk Dec 2017 #64

*** AMERICA'S INFANT MORTALITY RATE !!! *** None of them REALLY care about the "unborn" seeing they uponit7771 Dec 2017 #65

I know this has been an unpopular view here, I believe in safe, legal and rare. mentalsolstice Dec 2017 #68

I favor privacy. hamsterjill Dec 2017 #72

"liberals" who use right wing framing when discussing abortion are NOT helpful. m-lekktor Dec 2017 #73

I favor the complete continuum of women's medical health care, including abortion Hekate Dec 2017 #75

I favor pregnancy prevention. Xolodno Dec 2017 #76

The opposite of choice is anti-choice or "forced birth" elfin Dec 2017 #79

This issue has been pushed by Jspur Dec 2017 #91

+1 Matt_R Dec 2017 #93

Are you a guy? DiverDave Dec 2017 #96

i accept other peoples will, but do not always approve. pwb Dec 2017 #99

I favor abortion shanny Dec 2017 #102

This OP is the definition of "mansplaining". LexVegas Dec 2017 #103

It is perfectly J_William_Ryan Dec 2017 #104

Oh bullshit. I favor abortion. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #105

Speak for yourself. I favor it. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #110

We can say most of them favor mass shootings Qutzupalotl Dec 2017 #111

Abortion should be a last resort. But there has to BE a last resort. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #113

I favor abortion. lapislzi Dec 2017 #114

Oh, yeah? Then why is our newest senator named Abortion Jones? Orsino Dec 2017 #115

I think every woman should be competent to decide what is best for herself. Vinca Dec 2017 #118

I'm in favor of abortion the same way I'm in favor of appendectomies. kcr Dec 2017 #121

So don't play into it louis c Dec 2017 #125

What the hell? kcr Dec 2017 #136

Don't blame me louis c Dec 2017 #139

You're the one playing into their game. kcr Dec 2017 #140

Ya, sure. Whatever louis c Dec 2017 #141

Why do we always have to meet them on their terms? Lordquinton Dec 2017 #128

I would rec this if I could kcr Dec 2017 #137

I'm absolutely FAVOR abortion! Texasgal Dec 2017 #129

Do you favor heart surgery if a person doesn't need one or want one? louis c Dec 2017 #135

I'm pro-abortion tammywammy Dec 2017 #138