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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
56. -single folks don't get breaks on anything-
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 04:35 PM
Dec 2017

From a tax perspective, sure. But from a purely economic standpoint, if you want to trade my kids' tuition for a $1200 tax deduction, PM me your details, and I'd be happy to make that trade.

As pointed out above, raising kids - while voluntary like all other employment - is an unpaid job which, presumably, ultimately pays out benefits to society at large. That's the theory anyway, and I usually use the Social Security example, since it is the one I think about when the elementary school across the street is having a noisy activity or whatever.

As an economic proposition, the cost of children doesn't come anywhere near the tax benefit. You could take what other people spend on children, donate it to charity, and deduct the entire amount, if you are looking for a tax deduction of some kind.

Marry a 65 year old blind person, and you get two right at the top of the form!

Why does anyone get a tax break for being blind? I don't know, but I'm not sticking a pair of knitting needles in my eyes to find out.

As was also pointed out, there's a whole raft of laws that apply ONLY to parents. It's not simply out of kindness that parents feed, clothe, shelter, school, get medical care, etc., for children. They'll go to jail if they don't do those things, and then you, and everyone else, pays full boat for the care of those other people - who are also members of this society.

One workable alternative, I guess, is to get rid of parenting, and have everyone pay the full cost of raising the next generation of members of society.

There's also a benefit at the back-end, since a lot of children end up taking care of their elderly parents, which, again, would otherwise be a collective cost.

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While she is awful, I've long felt discriminated against because I'm single. n/t Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #1
Me too. & "BITTER OLD SPINSTER" Can the OP be more inappropriate/derisive towards women? REALLY? hlthe2b Dec 2017 #4
Probably. How was this so inappropriate? infidel621 Dec 2017 #18
If you don't know how demeaning it is to refer to an unmarried woman as a "bitter old spinster" you hlthe2b Dec 2017 #41
He/She doesn't belong here, that's for sure. Aristus Dec 2017 #71
I use it precicely because infidel621 Dec 2017 #79
Stereotypes RandomAccess Dec 2017 #67
Thank you for the explanation infidel621 Dec 2017 #80
Well, I'm sorry you found my explanation offensive RandomAccess Dec 2017 #85
I wasn't being sarcastic infidel621 Dec 2017 #88
You say you see the term in geneology and thus assumed it was fine. You surely also see the 'N' word hlthe2b Dec 2017 #95
Seriously? infidel621 Dec 2017 #102
You insult half the population here with a disgusting slur and then complain that you are questioned hlthe2b Dec 2017 #104
I didn't use it... I asked why you said it was so inappropriate... infidel621 Dec 2017 #107
I'm VERY sorry I misunderstood your tone and meaning RandomAccess Dec 2017 #115
You're activating BS detectors all over this board. Are you telling us you really didn't know that.. brush Dec 2017 #153
Very very odd to find it used for women as young as 20. I find that doubtful. Tipperary Dec 2017 #90
Indeed it was not. I'm not buying his explanation while deriding those of us who he has offended. hlthe2b Dec 2017 #97
I don't give a shit what you buy infidel621 Dec 2017 #103
We all know you don't give a shit.. hlthe2b Dec 2017 #105
When did I defend it? I never even used it. infidel621 Dec 2017 #108
I just read that.. sub thread with you being attacked. pangaia Dec 2017 #154
He wasn't defending it. RandomAccess Dec 2017 #120
that term has been a slur (like the "c" word) for women since my Late Mother was a young woman hlthe2b Dec 2017 #125
I am very well aware of the offensive history of the word RandomAccess Dec 2017 #128
I doubt you are older than I & I am DONE apologizing when I am derided or otherwise verbally abused hlthe2b Dec 2017 #133
LOL -- well bully for you! RandomAccess Dec 2017 #148
I'm not trying to be harsh with you, RandomAccess, but to explain. hlthe2b Dec 2017 #150
Okay RandomAccess Dec 2017 #163
I agree that it's sexist and unacceptable, but it's really not on the level as the "c word" whathehell Dec 2017 #182
Welcome to DU. cwydro Dec 2017 #111
I think it is pretty obvious what that posters agenda is. No need to worry. Tipperary Dec 2017 #110
We're talking about old census records -- RandomAccess Dec 2017 #117
We will have to disagree on this one. It is good to know you are another who embrace that term. Tipperary Dec 2017 #121
OFFS RandomAccess Dec 2017 #122
Link to a census record that uses that word, please. Mariana Dec 2017 #155
I don't do census records RandomAccess Dec 2017 #161
I know. Spinster? Wow, flashback to the days when women were defined by their marital status. Tipperary Dec 2017 #38
It's incredibly inappropriate and liberalhistorian Dec 2017 #76
OMG UT_democrat Dec 2017 #129
You were looking for the site where creepy old sexist terms are accepted? They're out there. Squinch Dec 2017 #140
I was? UT_democrat Dec 2017 #156
You seem to be ridiculing the objection to the creepy old sexist term, which would suggest Squinch Dec 2017 #159
I agree. Ugh. DesertRat Dec 2017 #158
I could be far more inappropriate and derisive towards Ann Coulter. moriah Dec 2017 #189
No one here has anything but total disdain for Coulter, but there are plenty of descriptors hlthe2b Dec 2017 #190
As both a feminist and a lover of the artistry of the English language... moriah Dec 2017 #191
I've felt discriminated against because I don't have kids. MGKrebs Dec 2017 #5
Well I understand they are expensive and I really don't even oppose a tax credit, Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #22
I do a lot of expensive things that don't get a tax credit! MGKrebs Dec 2017 #29
Those kids will be paying your social security jberryhill Dec 2017 #30
I'm not saying that. If you read again you see I don't oppose a tax credit. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #33
-single folks don't get breaks on anything- jberryhill Dec 2017 #56
I'm not speaking about raising kids and parenting and costs. I thought my posts made it clear that Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #165
I'd love to see politicians grilled on just why they feel single people and those brewens Dec 2017 #44
It is the right wingers who say treestar Dec 2017 #54
Disagree The Mouth Dec 2017 #113
Someone else's children will pay into Social Security and the stock market/ Sophia4 Dec 2017 #57
You all (well not all) are missing the real point and are fixating on the child care shit Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #166
Marriage saves a lot of money. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #192
Kids pay for our old age *need to subsidize them MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #42
I agree... but that isn't the issue for most of us on this subthread. I don't begrudge child credits hlthe2b Dec 2017 #55
Coulter is the one making the nasty characterization, really jberryhill Dec 2017 #58
Did you read the OP? Really? Damn some here just DON'T get it. Misogyny and bigotry lives hlthe2b Dec 2017 #60
THAT is what YOU want to defend jberryhill Dec 2017 #63
As the other poster said, you just do not get it. That is a damn shame. Tipperary Dec 2017 #64
YES, I want to defend women against derisive misogynistic comments from "supposed" progressive hlthe2b Dec 2017 #65
nice pearl clutch . stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #186
Ahh, good more misogyny. Not surprised at you. But now you've shown your ..... to everyone hlthe2b Dec 2017 #188
I do. I wonder what the op calls single men? I find this really sad to see that here. Tipperary Dec 2017 #62
Unfortunately I sometimes give a pass when it MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #72
I don't think it has anything to do with her age The Mouth Dec 2017 #114
Yeah but that is different than a child tax credit on your income tax. MGKrebs Dec 2017 #59
I'm married, but that didn't happen until I was in my mid-forties liberalhistorian Dec 2017 #75
Fuck off, Ann (n/t) PJMcK Dec 2017 #2
Fuck off, Ann and Kochs? Child tax credit leaves less for them Hortensis Dec 2017 #84
Oh Ann, come on, you are only 56 you have plenty of time to find a mate snooper2 Dec 2017 #3
Why do so many rich want to play victim? delisen Dec 2017 #16
that's just a completely pathetic tweet...even if she's being sarcastic steve2470 Dec 2017 #6
Bitter and nasty, mean & heartless Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #7
Ayn Coulter Roland99 Dec 2017 #8
good one! treestar Dec 2017 #35
She may actually have a valid point. procon Dec 2017 #9
You could flip it around the other way. Parents go to the trouble and expense of raising pnwmom Dec 2017 #109
people make a choice to become parents or not. procon Dec 2017 #118
Ann tarred single people that way -- I didn't. I think it's the opposite, based on the single people pnwmom Dec 2017 #147
You know what? I think she unintentionally let down her guard for once. DFW Dec 2017 #10
I agree and I hope she was being authentic steve2470 Dec 2017 #20
She doesnt have an authentic Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #144
I think that was my favorite post ever Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #145
If it makes her suffer a smidgeon of what she causes to others to suffer then I'm glad lunatica Dec 2017 #26
Ah, the "Wolf Trap" syndrome. Dave Starsky Dec 2017 #36
I have a less painful solution DFW Dec 2017 #47
lol nt steve2470 Dec 2017 #52
The "Double Wolf Trap" PJMcK Dec 2017 #81
Who cares what Ann Coulter thinks. MineralMan Dec 2017 #11
Well ann if you didnt eat your young you too could be a happy family Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #12
Lol, but impossible to imagine that last. Hortensis Dec 2017 #87
Bitter old spinster sounds like some regressive RW judge bullshit. Pls edit this crap. bettyellen Dec 2017 #13
It sounds like when women were labeled by their relationship to men. Tipperary Dec 2017 #39
She should move to a Libertarian Utopia. That's right, Libertarianism is unworkable bullshit fantasy TheBlackAdder Dec 2017 #14
Oh for fucks sake. No single people, you are not being picked on. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #15
totally agree steve2470 Dec 2017 #17
The decision to have children is the parent's choice. procon Dec 2017 #40
Agreed. I have no children and would MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #45
You don't hate children and the people who have them. Mariana Dec 2017 #49
I don't think they comprehend what's happening, Hortensis Dec 2017 #92
Being desperately single and lonely is bad enough Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #19
If she was married, her spouse would be living an empty life of desperation. onenote Dec 2017 #21
haha! nt steve2470 Dec 2017 #23
The sPirIT of KGOP republican "KONzervativE kompASSion" Achilleaze Dec 2017 #24
It's no wonder she's single. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #25
Stop your whining and go adopt a kid so you can get your credit lunatica Dec 2017 #27
Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #28
Yes dispense with the old spinster crap snowybirdie Dec 2017 #31
If she is living a life of "quiet desperation" get the red out Dec 2017 #32
Oh please, we do not treestar Dec 2017 #34
I dislike her, but... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #37
Revealing the real reason some people in US dont want to fund societal good - jealousy. suffragette Dec 2017 #43
Well, Ms. Coulter, you reap what you sew. You have sewn hatred your entire life and madinmaryland Dec 2017 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #74
I don't think sow's want to be compared to Ann Coulter... madinmaryland Dec 2017 #78
You reap what you sow. You have sown hatred your entire life. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #82
Goddam grammer nazis. madinmaryland Dec 2017 #93
Not grammar. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #96
Kelsey Grammar is a goddam moron. madinmaryland Dec 2017 #100
The English word is "grammar" but the actor's surname is "Grammer". Jim Lane Dec 2017 #132
She gets really frustrated sewing "Great Again" over and over on those hats. Wait, that's rzemanfl Dec 2017 #106
LOL! PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #131
How about "grumpster" for us single old men? Bradshaw3 Dec 2017 #48
GET OFF THE LAWN, YOU GODDAM KIDS!! madinmaryland Dec 2017 #101
Who's this "we", Coultergeist? JHB Dec 2017 #50
Explains her negativity and cilla4progress Dec 2017 #51
Here's my Twitter reply to Coulter: MineralMan Dec 2017 #53
Simply put, she lacks compassion vlyons Dec 2017 #61
Call the waaahhhmbulance. muntrv Dec 2017 #66
I just want to make sure you don't miss this -- RandomAccess Dec 2017 #68
Thank you. I'm sick of the misogyny here, Coulter is no excuse. bettyellen Dec 2017 #69
Yes, so many people (and not just men!) have the attitude RandomAccess Dec 2017 #73
I thought you were being harsh! But now I see you were being fair. Baitball Blogger Dec 2017 #70
Yet, not a peep about her ilk who want women to be nothing but breeders pushing out tons of babies. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #77
her attempt at sarcasm... handmade34 Dec 2017 #83
I was just going to say, am I the only one who thinks she's being sarcastic? betsuni Dec 2017 #86
I think she is, also steve2470 Dec 2017 #119
I agree with you. Jim Lane Dec 2017 #134
Spinster??? cwydro Dec 2017 #89
I do feel for her. tavernier Dec 2017 #91
the OP is from Germany steve2470 Dec 2017 #94
The OP has had numerous responses educating him cwydro Dec 2017 #99
thank you for the kind words, appreciated steve2470 Dec 2017 #123
And youre appreciated too. cwydro Dec 2017 #142
How do you know the OP has even seen it?? RandomAccess Dec 2017 #124
Ann needs a puppy. Or something. Initech Dec 2017 #98
She could always get herself a puppy and then find joy DFW Dec 2017 #167
It is pathetic that many here are more concerned MicaelS Dec 2017 #112
Wow are you seriously writing this? Really? This is an educational thread for me. Tipperary Dec 2017 #116
Give him time and he'll whip out the ole "c" word. Not all men are progressive here (or respectful) hlthe2b Dec 2017 #135
It's impossible to underestimate the disrespect some who post here have for women. Squinch Dec 2017 #137
Damn, but youre so right. cwydro Dec 2017 #143
Lol UT_democrat Dec 2017 #138
Im single and my life is not at all empty. Oneironaut Dec 2017 #126
Hate to break it to you Ann n2doc Dec 2017 #127
She is one NASTY piece of work. BigDemVoter Dec 2017 #130
About the several posts saying that no man would want Ann Coulter Jim Lane Dec 2017 #136
Holy shit... You seem really comfortable using a creepy and monumentally sexist term... Squinch Dec 2017 #139
At one time, spinster just meant unmarried woman treestar Dec 2017 #141
My husband's parents' 1956 marriage certificate says that. Mariana Dec 2017 #160
In the 60s in America there was this show the Dating Game treestar Dec 2017 #171
Quite correct. See this article DFW Dec 2017 #169
I once got to tour Noah Webster's home in Connecticut treestar Dec 2017 #173
When she was in school, they didn't have computers DFW Dec 2017 #175
Yes, I remember those days treestar Dec 2017 #176
She didn't even go to school in the USA DFW Dec 2017 #178
"abroad" ha! treestar Dec 2017 #180
That depends on what you consider "good." DFW Dec 2017 #185
Assign any negative term to her and it fits Awsi Dooger Dec 2017 #146
It may be a bit un-feminist of me treestar Dec 2017 #174
Back in the Day I said Wolf Frankula Dec 2017 #149
You've been in middle school for a LONG time!! malchickiwick Dec 2017 #179
Ann Coulter doesn't do anything "quietly" jmowreader Dec 2017 #151
That's exactly what i thought. Mariana Dec 2017 #162
Fake sadness for sympathy to cover her cheap ass ayn Rand ways lunasun Dec 2017 #152
I ain't mad at you... LuvLoogie Dec 2017 #157
Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #164
I'm mostly pissed she steals from Thoreau blogslut Dec 2017 #168
An over-the-top word for an over-the-top tweet from an over-the-top person. DetlefK Dec 2017 #170
She is probably going thru Holiday depression... kentuck Dec 2017 #172
True. I had this divorced friend who always treestar Dec 2017 #181
I laughed. yardwork Dec 2017 #177
Hmm..Funny one doesn't hear about "bitter old bachelors" whathehell Dec 2017 #183
Sexual orientation may be biological, BUT Vogon_Glory Dec 2017 #184
lots and lots of pearl clutching in this thread . stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #187
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