About guns,

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64. Gun manufacturers out of business is NOT my way, NRA yes that's a start.

First things first, I have repeated in this thread that I would prefer reasonable restrictions to no guns. So screw your gun makers out of business straw man BS. Less profits and out of business are not the same.

Secondly, if I'm reading the "you cannot control supply" correctly, you think that controlling the supply of weapons is impossible and therefore should not be attempted. That seems an odd position to take. You say look at drugs, and then bring up alcohol. We DO HAVE reasonable restrictions on alcohol, and they are far more effective than the prohibition of weed (or insert illegal of choice here.) Why is that? Because we have (mostly) law abiding people, who want to keep their jobs, stay out of jail, and not pay the fines, working as bartenders, wait staff, check out cashiers, etc. They are the gate keepers, and they are compelled to comply. They do a much better job of enforcing these restrictions than law enforcement does keeping drugs off the street by trying to catch weed dealers who know they are breaking the law and choose that risk. It is easier today for a high school student to get pot than whiskey. This isn't because we outlawed whiskey, it is because we put reasonable laws in place and enforce them.

Now to the issue at hand. Unless you think it is OK to have napalm available to the general public, I would guess public safety would be a part of this discussion. How about something as obvious as no assault rifles (other than in locked bags or cases) in public places. That doesn't seem like a shocking expectation. If you want to go fire a semi automatic 60 round a minute death machine, get a permit and do it in a controlled environment (like a firing range), but having it out in public is a felony. How about something simple like restricting makers and importers to a limited round magazine, and if they don't comply, then treat them like the bartender. Arrest them, fine them, take away the license to sell weapons. No one gets mad at firing a bartender who serve to the underage. It is in the public's best interest. No one should get upset about arresting someone selling a death machine to a potential murderer, that arrest is also in the public's best interest.

How about closing the loopholes so that all purchases of new guns require a background check, and waiting period. I would not object to requiring a safety course before purchase. Unintentional death is part of the equation. I know this doesn't cover current guns that have already be sold to citizens, but it is a good start. How about making the buyer name which well regulated militia that they are a member. That way it truly be constitutional. I know that last one will piss you off, BUT I DON'T CARE. It is in the Constitution (Bill of Rights) whether you like it or not. The founding fathers wrote the first gun control regulation. Get over this gun control is unpatriotic BS. It's simply FALSE.

Regulation is both constitutional and intelligent, the NRA will deny both. They prefer to have weapons that were made for no reason than to kill in the hands of murders. The do EVERYTHING THEY CAN, to make sure the murders can have guns. That's not all. They do everything they can to make sure the murders have THE MOST DANGEROUS GUNS POSSIBLE! If ever an organization was anti public safety, this is the one. When Holmes stands trial the NRA should stand as an accomplice. His death toll, his night of terror, his killing spree was all made possible by the NRA. THEY don't protect rights, they protect profits.