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Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:32 PM Jun 2022

We have made an adjustment to DU's "No bigotry/insensitivity" rule: please read [View all]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to let you know about a change that we've made to our "No bigotry/insensitivity" rule. To be blunt, there's been some pretty hurtful stuff posted about trans people on DU recently, and Juries have been letting a lot of it slide. This has created an unpleasant atmosphere for our trans members, who have been left without much recourse as Juries regularly fail to remove transphobic posts.

I believe the reason for this is pretty straightforward: it's not that we have a lot of transphobic DU members serving on Juries, it's just that many DU members aren't actually very familiar with what transphobia looks like. And if a Jury member can't see a problem with a post, then obviously they are unlikely to vote to remove that post.

So it is my hope that we can remedy this with a brief addition to the current "No bigotry/insensitivity" rule which explains what to look out for when serving on a Jury, and what to avoid when posting. The spirit and wording of the original rule have not changed -- we have added one new line asking members to take care when highlighting bigoted comments by public figures, and a short new paragraph containing DU's definition of transphobia.

I want to offer my sincere thanks to IngridsLittleAngel who approached me about this problem some time ago on behalf of DU's trans members and allies, and discussed possible solutions with me at length. After concluding that the best option at this time would be to provide DU members with more information about transphobia so that they can make better decisions while posting and serving on Juries, I asked if she could help me craft the new informational paragraph. She wrote the initial text that became the basis for what is now in the rule. Here is the rule in full:


Members are expected to respect diversity and demonstrate an appropriate level of sensitivity when discussing related topics. Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, or other forms of bigoted intolerance are not permitted. When highlighting bigoted comments by a public figure, members should take care to avoid the impression that they agree with those comments.

For your information, our definition of transphobia includes, but is not limited to: Misgendering, deadnaming, or otherwise refusing to recognize a trans person's gender identity; Arguing that trans people are not "real" men or women; Arguing that trans people should not have the same rights as cis people -- for example, the right to use public restrooms or play sports that match their gender identity; Arguing that there is any scientific basis for discriminating against trans people.

Why we have this rule: Democratic Underground is a diverse community which includes people of every race, sex, religious belief (or lack thereof), sexual orientation, gender identity, body type, disability, age, etc. We want to promote a welcoming atmosphere for all of our members, and do not want to provide a platform for bigotry.

I hope that all DUers will take this information on board, and use it when posting, and serving on Juries. Thanks for reading, and thanks for being here at DU.

EarlG (Admin)
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Ty, EarlG! SheltieLover Jun 2022 #1
Thank you to you both, IngridsLittleAngel and EarlG. Solly Mack Jun 2022 #2
Thank you. It is distressing when people thoughtlessly hurt other people's feelings Walleye Jun 2022 #3
Cudn't agree more;precisely why bigots like JKRowling & other fascists should be promptly cancelled! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2022 #240
Good. Behind the Aegis Jun 2022 #4
this right here!!!!! mopinko Jun 2022 #26
I agree! I wish we could have Cha Jun 2022 #42
I would like that too, but would settle for just the "bigotry" rule because it is complicated. Behind the Aegis Jun 2022 #57
Yes! Solly Mack Jun 2022 #101
I could not agree more. The comments from the alerter gave some context that is so often hlthe2b Jun 2022 #200
100% agree. soldierant Jun 2022 #202
Very true! Eom Karma13612 Jun 2022 #280
While we're discussing DU juries, I'd like to know how any juror can possibility judge, Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2022 #248
Yes. That is generally a "crystal ball" issue. There are undoubtedly some alerters with a "pattern," hlthe2b Jun 2022 #269
And even if the alerters have a pattern, like alerting on every issue they see ... marble falls Jun 2023 #323
I agree, Karma13612 Jun 2022 #281
actually that is not true for real juries Kali Jun 2022 #290
Are those witnesses and evidence somehow Karma13612 Jun 2022 #315
Personally, I would like the jury system here to be abolished. MarcA Jun 2022 #313
You can go to the original OP and look ... marble falls Jun 2023 #324
+1000 n/t FreeState Jun 2022 #292
Thank you EarlG for the information and education. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #5
Good on ya' EarlG! AndyS Jun 2022 #6
Kudos to IngridsLittleAngel. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #7
We had a transgender human come out in a group setting. It wasn't easy for this person. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #8
Duly noted... and thanks. AmBlue Jun 2022 #9
Thank you for this clarification, my dear EarlG. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2022 #10
This YoshidaYui Jun 2022 #12
Progress, not perfection. joshdawg Jun 2022 #87
Working for sure. notinkansas Jun 2022 #252
Thank you, EarlG! Aristus Jun 2022 #11
I think this is a good idea. phylny Jun 2022 #13
nobody is out there persecuting xtians. mopinko Jun 2022 #27
Indeed. Excellent point, mopinko. Sad but true. calimary Jun 2022 #55
Nobody? ruet Jun 2022 #72
fine. nobody here. in this country or on this board. mopinko Jun 2022 #76
Context SpankMe Jun 2022 #246
Using the term "sky-daddy" refers to all religions, deists, all people that believe in God. Dysfunctional Jun 2022 #113
I agree. Maraya1969 Jun 2022 #137
People that believe in a paternalistic monotheism. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #156
"persecuting" & "insulting" are both supposed to be frowned upon oldsoftie Jun 2022 #176
THANK you.. whathehell Apr 2023 #320
Christians aren't a persecuted minority Kali Jun 2022 #36
But... lees1975 Jun 2022 #50
Agree. EVERY INDIVIDUAL should be protected from bigotry/insensitivity. Hortensis Jun 2022 #94
Well said and that is my point, but you phylny Jun 2022 #126
As usual, you say it better than anyone can. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2022 #227
Lol. Thanks, but think I imprinted Jane Austin as a kid. Hortensis Jun 2022 #272
when individual Christian democrats are personally attacked I will be sure to alert on the post. Kali Jun 2022 #206
Thank you! Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2022 #293
I Think That... ruet Jun 2022 #51
I think that I don't vote with my phylny Jun 2022 #117
The no bigoted/insensitivity rule posted specifically mentions religion MichMan Jun 2022 #53
My point and thank you. phylny Jun 2022 #120
God, do you not get why posting this here is a bad idea? obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #52
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author ruet Jun 2022 #64
Pathetic prejudice going on here.... nt LAS14 Jun 2022 #90
Seems pretty clear to me what the revised rules states MichMan Jun 2022 #62
I feel I must ask how this works when the religious belief of Republicans NullTuples Jun 2022 #224
Yup. Thanks for this. nt LAS14 Jun 2022 #84
I don't accommodate this anymore. Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #106
Whether you accommodate this or not doesn't phylny Jun 2022 #124
Start a separate thread in GD, please. Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #128
It's not about "me." phylny Jun 2022 #129
There's a time to step up and a time to step back. Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #130
Next time I need advice on posting here phylny Jun 2022 #131
I have temporarily blocked you from posting in this forum EarlG Jun 2022 #135
Attacking ideas is not attacking the person who Voltaire2 Jun 2022 #143
Do you often ask "Don't all lives matter?" yardwork Jun 2022 #181
Thanks for this Sunsky Jun 2022 #188
That's different. fescuerescue Jun 2022 #199
Excellent. MontanaMama Jun 2022 #14
Right there with you!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2022 #237
Thank you. irisblue Jun 2022 #15
Thank you. momta Jun 2022 #16
Kickin' Faux pas Jun 2022 #17
They've been doing a good job of moderating, but it's likely been a lot of extra work NullTuples Jun 2022 #149
There are no moderators on DU. There is a jury system. We are all moderators. yardwork Jun 2022 #183
It would help if jurors were told the outcome on the cases they're called to judge. TheRickles Jun 2022 #185
I agree with your point. There is no feedback. How am I doing as a juror? 70sEraVet Jun 2022 #209
+100000000 Karma13612 Jun 2022 #282
Yes, but entire discussions have been taken down. I assumed that was not due to a jurist NullTuples Jun 2022 #226
You're right, that would be volunteer Hosts. yardwork Jun 2022 #274
If an OP itself is taken down, the rest of the discussion stays up, but is locked. Makes sense to me marble falls Jun 2023 #322
Keep an eye out whenever there is any news blurb Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #175
Not only that vercetti2021 Jun 2022 #228
Correct IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #231
Yep vercetti2021 Jun 2022 #233
I'm already anticipating that possibility IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #256
Wow! Faux pas Jun 2022 #278
TY for this bluestarone Jun 2022 #18
I am very happy to see this. MuseRider Jun 2022 #19
Thank you! GoneOffShore Jun 2022 #20
Solidly progressive. Torchlight Jun 2022 #21
Good! BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #22
Best of luck with this. William769 Jun 2022 #23
What's deadnaming? wryter2000 Jun 2022 #24
Definition billh58 Jun 2022 #78
Thanks wryter2000 Jun 2022 #102
Here's some information about deadnaming: EarlG Jun 2022 #80
I assume it's using the name the person was given originally but no longer uses Ocelot II Jun 2022 #82
Thanks for this, EarlG. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2022 #25
Let's hope so! William769 Jun 2022 #33
We've been working on him (my brother-in-law) greatauntoftriplets Jun 2022 #56
I know a good few like that. And thats why he lost. oldsoftie Jun 2022 #173
It took some convincing because he's always voted for president. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2022 #186
To win you HAVE to keep your original voters. he started bleeding them. oldsoftie Jun 2022 #191
I am unclear on what this means... LiberatedUSA Jun 2022 #28
What if the unsensitive comment is made by a Democratic public figure? MichMan Jun 2022 #38
It's really just a common sense reminder EarlG Jun 2022 #75
Some of us jurors do not understand what's wrong with the post complained of. Shrike47 Jun 2022 #29
This is good to know, thank you! arthritisR_US Jun 2022 #30
Thank You so much EarlG.... Tikki Jun 2022 #31
K&R spanone Jun 2022 #32
Forgive my ignorance please, but what is "deadnaming"? nolabear Jun 2022 #34
I didn't know either... Moosepoop Jun 2022 #40
Thanks! nolabear Jun 2022 #70
"Deadnaming" is using a trans person's name prior to transition. Behind the Aegis Jun 2022 #41
Thanks. I kind of figured. nolabear Jun 2022 #71
That's when you call Caitlyn Jenner by her former name instead of her current one. LonePirate Jun 2022 #47
Gotcha. Thanks. Makes sense. nolabear Jun 2022 #74
Thank you, EarlG. This place is an ongoing education Hekate Jun 2022 #35
One of the biggest plusses on DUs side is its embrace of diversity. lpbk2713 Jun 2022 #37
Thank you, EarlG!!! Maeve Jun 2022 #39
Thank you!!!! Scottie Mom Jun 2022 #43
Maybe you could get EndlessWire Jun 2022 #44
are you serious? Kali Jun 2022 #207
Oh boy obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #265
Thank You, EarlG & IngridsLittleAngel! Cha Jun 2022 #45
It would be nice if those of us who had posts hidden for calling out transphobia obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #46
+ 1000 I hope earlg will take note of this. Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #178
I've had similar experiences AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2022 #198
I'm usually firm, but civil - Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #201
Thank you Earl G. and IngridsLittleAngel. Moosepoop Jun 2022 #48
Bravo EG! 👍🏻 Floyd R. Turbo Jun 2022 #49
Thank you. This shit has been driving me up a wall lately. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2022 #54
littlemissmartypants Jun 2022 #59
big+ llashram Jun 2022 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author 867-5309. Jun 2022 #61
What does that have to do with the OP? obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author 867-5309. Jun 2022 #79
Oh, I see -- you are pushing obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #83
I'm wondering about Hillary Clinton's recent statement that she thought, pnwmom Jun 2022 #63
What if a similar comment is posted & someone is critical of it being said?? MichMan Jun 2022 #91
I'm avoiding commenting, too much stuff I have to look up like Captain Zero Jun 2022 #261
The rule does not appear to preclude this. Jirel Jun 2022 #112
I'm going to ask a genuine question IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #158
I don't think anybody said Hillary's carry more weight. Lots of posts here get ignored, pnwmom Jun 2022 #218
I'll just leave it at this: IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #221
Last Wednesday FreepFryer Jun 2022 #230
And I'll add to that: President Biden on March 30, 2022 (Transgender Day of Visibility): IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #232
I admit to having problems with the "they/them" pronouns. LonePirate Jun 2022 #65
Actually, from a grammar standpoint, single but indeterminate individuals are also "they." TygrBright Jun 2022 #96
Ill bet you use a singular they more often than you think. Chellee Jun 2022 #147
A bit of context: NullTuples Jun 2022 #160
ME TOOOOO!!!! Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #192
Omg why do you keep posting this? obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #267
Second-hand pronouns Tree-Hugger Jun 2022 #305
Singular they has been used as centuries obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #266
I really like They/Them DBoon Jun 2022 #312
thank ya's ! freedom mean's " all people - not just a few " ! cloudboy07 Jun 2022 #66
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #68
Do you not get that this post breaks the new rule? obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #81
I told you I'm in trouble now. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2022 #86
Wow, you are really proud of this obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #89
Works for me... 2naSalit Jun 2022 #69
Earl, are you one of the people ... Jeebo Jun 2022 #73
Some info on juries Yonnie3 Jun 2022 #95
Personal opinions will always enter into the equation EarlG Jun 2022 #99
What is the recourse, then, for those battered by transphobic or homophobic posts left standing? Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #184
+1000 Karma13612 Jun 2022 #283
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #77
"life choices" -- what about being trans is a life choice? obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #88
Yeah, referring to an element of someone's identity as a "life choice" could be offensive. TygrBright Jun 2022 #100
That is so fcuking annoying I can't even Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 #165
I know, I know, Jilly... TygrBright Jun 2022 #170
There is only one "choice" when it comes to this.. IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #168
I commend you for this service to DU and you have my full support!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2022 #235
This is a step in the right direction but may not be enough. yardwork Jun 2022 #85
Good things happen. Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #92
LOUD APPLAUSE!!!! n/t TygrBright Jun 2022 #93
Good idea. FoxNewsSucks Jun 2022 #97
Sometimes we are in need of enlightenment, or at least reminders. Ocelot II Jun 2022 #98
Having read this thread, I see I'm not the only person that didn't know what deadnaming is... Takket Jun 2022 #103
Even if we didn't know the term wryter2000 Jun 2022 #109
This. Exactly this. IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #210
Such an excellent point, one that even conservatives with names like, NullTuples Jun 2022 #245
I did wonder EarlG Jun 2022 #115
I would suggest putting it in the context of how journalists are expected to handle it: AP Stylebook hlthe2b Jun 2022 #190
Excellent. vanlassie Jun 2022 #104
Thank you. scarletlib Jun 2022 #105
Thank you vercetti2021 Jun 2022 #107
I also strongly support this new rule/clarification of existing rules LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #108
Thank you. I alerted on a post that was clearly anti-Trans...and it was not hidden...I get that some Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #110
In this thread? Same obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #116
Which post? EarlG Jun 2022 #139
Oops i didn't refresh the thread obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #153
Sadly that's pretty common AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2022 #140
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #169
Amen! Jack-o-Lantern Jun 2022 #111
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #114
Oh brother obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #119
FYI: Posting privileges revoked Behind the Aegis Jun 2022 #125
Member for 10.5 years dpibel Jun 2022 #132
never a good idea to show your ass in the owners thread. mopinko Jun 2022 #148
Words of wisdom n/t Yonnie3 Jun 2022 #159
You have no idea how hormones work do you? vercetti2021 Jun 2022 #123
Thank you for updating the No bigotry/insensitivity" rule with the help of IngridsLittleAngel yaesu Jun 2022 #118
When someone tells me their name, that name is what I call that person. MineralMan Jun 2022 #121
Well, but what if you keep having to repeat the name, Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #189
I ask, if there's any question. When talking to that person, though, MineralMan Jun 2022 #205
Recommend. sheshe2 Jun 2022 #122
Can I still be mean to TFG and Mrs. TFG? COL Mustard Jun 2022 #127
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!! rainin Jun 2022 #133
TY! Lithos Jun 2022 #134
Thank you for this very helpful spotlight mahina Jun 2022 #136
Thank you, EarlG wendyb-NC Jun 2022 #138
I appreciate the rule clarification hueymahl Jun 2022 #141
Thank you. Voltaire2 Jun 2022 #142
well done jcgoldie Jun 2022 #144
TY, being extra careful here. Magoo48 Jun 2022 #145
I have a transgender grandson Frances Jun 2022 #146
Thank you, EarlG! crickets Jun 2022 #150
Thank you EarlG and IngridsLittleAngel. Well done. c-rational Jun 2022 #151
Thank you! n/t KatK Jun 2022 #152
This message was self-deleted by its author CurtEastPoint Jun 2022 #154
You're welcome everyone and thank you EarlG IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #155
Thank you for stepping up, Tarc Jun 2022 #171
Left or right, blue or red, all we can do in life is learn and grow IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #215
K&R. +1000. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2022 #174
You're welcome IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #216
So sorry to hear about this problem. Callalily Jun 2022 #157
Sounds good. Martin68 Jun 2022 #161
From a trans woman & parent of a trans teen...thank you so much for this. NullTuples Jun 2022 #162
Sorry I was recently asked to be on a jury.I did not understand the rd2 and star wars If there was r Oppaloopa Jun 2022 #163
K&R uppityperson Jun 2022 #164
thank you so much! Javaman Jun 2022 #166
this is why I keep donating to DU Skittles Jun 2022 #167
Thank you, Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #172
Thank you EarlG and IngridsLittleAngel. Very nicely handled! Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #177
Reaffirms my fragile membership in the PTL Club. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2022 #179
Thank you. This has been a long time coming. Autumn Jun 2022 #180
Thanks for the clarity... Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #182
Ask them how they want to be called AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2022 #203
I don't have a problem when I'm directly addressing them. Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #234
Not really AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2022 #241
No problem Tree-Hugger Jun 2022 #297
No, unless you can show me where trans folks aren't allowed have grammar rules applied to them obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #309
I know some situations can be confusing. Best advice? Ask them IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #213
This is not my problem. Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #236
I've probably forgotten half of my grammar over the decades IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #255
It is are, not is obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #262
OK, that Karma13612 Jun 2022 #284
It is are, not is obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #263
they are bringing over the photo album Kali Jun 2022 #217
Ok. Let me explain it another way. Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #238
You are elevating "rules" over people. Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #244
Do not project your own biases onto others. Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #268
Perhaps you don't have the life experience to understand how your comments came across. Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #275
+1 obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #306
'Less offensive manner" Tree-Hugger Jun 2022 #299
... Kali Jun 2022 #247
Passive voice, sentence 1. Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #270
Just stop it obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #307
Why do you keep using improper grammar when talking about this? obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #264
Well it's because I don't know the correct grammar! Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #271
You literally know the correct grammar already obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #273
Jesus. Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #277
But you do understand the grammar re: they obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #291
Textbook microagression and sealioning nt AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2022 #295
+++ quaint Jun 2022 #302
I suppose it's nice to have a perfect example in the thread about what not to do AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2022 #303
I really hope EarlG sees this thread obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #304
But...but... Tree-Hugger Jun 2022 #311
I'll try to answer this fairly... IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #308
I sincerely appreciate this explanation. Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #316
You're welcome IngridsLittleAngel Jun 2022 #317
3. Jerry wrapped their hands around the coffee cup. (Maybe?) eom Karma13612 Jun 2022 #285
A hypothetical. Saviolo Jun 2022 #289
"Transgendered" Tree-Hugger Jun 2022 #296
Thank you for this obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #298
No problem Tree-Hugger Jun 2022 #300
I agree obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #310
Awesome! ArizonaLib Jun 2022 #187
K&R ! stonecutter357 Jun 2022 #193
Thank you, EarlG Alice Kramden Jun 2022 #194
Acknowledged. Good idea. PatrickforB Jun 2022 #195
Bravo HAB911 Jun 2022 #196
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #197
WayTaGo DU, WayTaGo Admins! Stinky The Clown Jun 2022 #204
Thank you. AverageOldGuy Jun 2022 #208
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #211
Thanks. Great idea FloridaBlues Jun 2022 #212
This is wonderful! AwakeAtLast Jun 2022 #214
This is great, and it will make DU even stronger. Politicub Jun 2022 #219
thank you for this gopiscrap Jun 2022 #220
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #222
Thankyou!!! marble falls Jun 2022 #223
This is a good change. PTWB Jun 2022 #225
You know who doesnt have this problem? Eliot Rosewater Jun 2022 #229
Last, but not least..... BidenRocks Jun 2022 #239
You rock. Keep up the good work, n/t. Scruffy1 Jun 2022 #242
Thank you! Mad_Machine76 Jun 2022 #243
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Jun 2022 #249
EarlG.... Upthevibe Jun 2022 #250
100% agree!!! I myself have been attacked here on DU, for different reasons... CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #251
Thank you. TDale313 Jun 2022 #253
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2022 #254
Thank you, and I apologize for any insensitivity MyMission Jun 2022 #257
Thank you so very much! LostOne4Ever Jun 2022 #258
Yes! Yes! Yes! Lunabell Jun 2022 #259
Everybody deserves respect. Aussie105 Jun 2022 #260
Thank You! MindHowYouGo Jun 2022 #276
Makes sense! Karma13612 Jun 2022 #287
I greatly appreciate this, EarlG Metatron Jun 2022 #279
Thank you. You expressed this far more tactfully, and graciously, Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2022 #286
Thank you both for taking the time and care to educate us all on this important issue RainCaster Jun 2022 #288
Thank you! FreeState Jun 2022 #294
Thank you Tree-Hugger Jun 2022 #301
One reason why DU is my favorite place to post ificandream Jun 2022 #314
A day (or 3 ) late, and a dollar short- Karma13612 Jun 2022 #318
Thank you, EarlG wendyb-NC Jun 2022 #319
Thnkyou, thankyou, thankyou. marble falls Jun 2023 #321
Good move. Thanks riversedge Jun 2023 #325
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